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You can't call yourself a Smogonite without knowing the true glory of Metang@.
I'm confused, it can't hold items?
What? What do you mean? All Pokemon can hold items, unless they require another item to stay in a particular form, like Giratina-O.
Mind testing EvoStone on Phione? Yes, it doesn't evolve, but it's technically a lesser version of Manaphy @_@ I realllly wanna know for sure.
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Yeah.
Nice list GravityZero, Return should be slashed with Rock Slide for more power vs Flying types vs ghost cockblockery.
I am highly skeptical about using pre-evolution stone on things outside of, say, Chansey, or something else w/ a redicated recovery move like Softboiled. Losing leftovers substantially hurts many walls out there, and losing choice items substantially hurts many would-be attackers.
Dusclops w/ rest is also a solid option, I think.
That said, I really hope we get an attack/sp. attack boosting items like this in the next generation. Pre-evolution claw or something. It'd basically be a choice-items for both at/sp. at, that doesn't restrict options. Probably not that great, but something to fiddle around with. Increasing at and speed or sp. at and speed (in 2 seperate items?) would be kick-ass though.
Dusclops w/ rest is also a solid option, I think.
That said, I really hope we get an attack/sp. attack boosting items like this in the next generation. Pre-evolution claw or something. It'd basically be a choice-items for both at/sp. at, that doesn't restrict options. Probably not that great, but something to fiddle around with. Increasing at and speed or sp. at and speed (in 2 seperate items?) would be kick-ass though.
I don't think Phione can use Evo Stone, It can't evolve...
I've been running around the beta server with a mostly Stoned team, and I've been pretty happy with the results so far.
Golbat has been far and away the star of the team, taking hits from pretty much anything with impunity. Boosted Psychic attacks are a problem for obvious reasons. They weren't common when B/W testing started, but they seem to be growing more and more common as time goes by. Random non-STAB Stone Edges or Ice Beams don't even faze it though, and Roosting is even easier with that respectable speed. With that speed, there's plenty of chances to Taunt, Toxic, Super Fang, etc.
Chansey has also been performing well, though I guess everyone already knows its strengths and weaknesses. I like that I can rely on Chansey to take physical hits in a pinch, which is great when I'm trying to stall out a poisoned opponent. Dusclops has been performing similarly. It won't die to anything, and SubSplit antics really wreck some teams, but it's stuck just Seismic Tossing far more often than I'd like. There are way too many Taunters out there now, especially with Mischievous Heart being so common.
Dotekottsu (Roopushin pre-evo) has also been amazing. If it gets one Bulk Up in safely, it can take on a lot of random threats you wouldn't expect. For example, from full health it can survive Sazandora's Meteor, then OHKO back and recover almost full health in the process. Pretty much any unboosted special attack isn't a problem, and surviving with a sliver of health is fine, since you heal so much. I'm running 252 Atk/SpDef instead of any HP EVs, thinking that this yields the biggest return from Drain Punch, but someone correct me if I'm wrong there.
I gave Monmen (Erufuun pre-evo) a try, but ended up having much better results just running Leftovers on it. The extra HP for Subs is much more valuable than higher defenses. Monmen actually does the whole SubSeeding thing even better than Erufuun, except when it comes to outspeeding enemy Erefuuns.
Magneton... does its job. Kills Steels and doesn't afraid, etc. I wouldn't consider it more useful than Magnezone though, unless you want a full pre-evo only team.
Golbat has been far and away the star of the team, taking hits from pretty much anything with impunity. Boosted Psychic attacks are a problem for obvious reasons. They weren't common when B/W testing started, but they seem to be growing more and more common as time goes by. Random non-STAB Stone Edges or Ice Beams don't even faze it though, and Roosting is even easier with that respectable speed. With that speed, there's plenty of chances to Taunt, Toxic, Super Fang, etc.
Chansey has also been performing well, though I guess everyone already knows its strengths and weaknesses. I like that I can rely on Chansey to take physical hits in a pinch, which is great when I'm trying to stall out a poisoned opponent. Dusclops has been performing similarly. It won't die to anything, and SubSplit antics really wreck some teams, but it's stuck just Seismic Tossing far more often than I'd like. There are way too many Taunters out there now, especially with Mischievous Heart being so common.
Dotekottsu (Roopushin pre-evo) has also been amazing. If it gets one Bulk Up in safely, it can take on a lot of random threats you wouldn't expect. For example, from full health it can survive Sazandora's Meteor, then OHKO back and recover almost full health in the process. Pretty much any unboosted special attack isn't a problem, and surviving with a sliver of health is fine, since you heal so much. I'm running 252 Atk/SpDef instead of any HP EVs, thinking that this yields the biggest return from Drain Punch, but someone correct me if I'm wrong there.
I gave Monmen (Erufuun pre-evo) a try, but ended up having much better results just running Leftovers on it. The extra HP for Subs is much more valuable than higher defenses. Monmen actually does the whole SubSeeding thing even better than Erufuun, except when it comes to outspeeding enemy Erefuuns.
Magneton... does its job. Kills Steels and doesn't afraid, etc. I wouldn't consider it more useful than Magnezone though, unless you want a full pre-evo only team.
Thank you.
That's unfortunate, Phione could have gained a niche use. It's arguably the least useful pokemon in the game, then, since a lot of other things gained Hydration this gen.
I'm gonna play with Eevee until I get a successful sweep with it. My ranking's gonna do to dirt today.
That... makes no sense at all. Worse than Farfetch'd? Worse than Luvdisc? Worse than Unown?
I'll rephrase myself:
Phione is the pokemon with the highest level of worthlessness as compared to it's BST.
There are several pokemon that could benefit from this. Scyther definitly screams it, making it more versatile than ever. Other good possibilties are Porygon, Puruiru, and Tesshido, especially in the little cup.
Worse than Regigigas?
Getting a Desukan to Escape Button an Outrage can fix Regigigas and Slaking - and even without that, Slaking can be relied upon for it's scary attack power with LO, and Gigas has support options, is good in TR, and forces the opponent to throw out their best fighting type, ghost, or hardest hitter before the rapestomping can begin - which can then be trapped and killed to make your sweep easier. Phione... eh. It spits on it's 480 BST.
Regigigas lacks Pursuit, so it can't pull off the strategy liks Slaking can.
If Outrage is locked (as it would be when baited with Escape Button), the opponent has to hit you and can't switch. That's the contact, and you kill it off with Return (Onono/Latios) / Ice Punch (Nite/Mence) / Drain Punch (Sazan/Waru) on the same turn. Works the same on any Ditto that's locked in on Outrage. Now, you have a (albeit lower-hp) Regigigas that's ready to go.
Return / Ice Punch / Drain Punch / Psych Up. Coverage city, excluding gay Shedinja. =/ Gigas deserves it's own thread.
So... Regigigas can only be useful even with the strategy if you send in Desukan on a predicted Outrage or on the second turn of a three-turn Outrage?
I'll stick with Slaking, thanks.
I'll stick with Slaking, thanks.
Not arguing that Gigas is up to par with Slaking, just arguing that you're not giving it quite enough credit.
For instance, if it were running Sub insted of Psych Up, it gains more setup oppourtunities.
For one, if a choiced Outrage only lasts two turns and Gigas comes in during the calmdown, Gigas is forcing the Dragon out and getting a free sub. Unless the Dragon actually attacks, in which case it risks confusion + sub or mummy + sub. That's 2 wasted turns there, Gigas only has to survive another one and it's at full stats.
Same for anything Choiced Ttar runs except EQ.
Guys please get back on track; this is a Prevo Stone thread, not a "Pokemon with crippling abilities" thread
Anyway has anybody considered Shelgon? I mean while others have merely mentioned it, let's look at its effective base stats, assuming max HP and SpD.
65 / 160 / 100
Those are not half bad, IMO. such defenses actually come to rival Bronzong's.
So... Restalk DD Shelgon maybe?
[SET]
name: Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Outrage / Dragon Claw
move 3: Rest
move 4: Sleep talk
item: Pre-Evolution Stone
ability: Rock Head
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 4 Att / 252 SpD
Dragon has godly neutral coverage; combine that with a pokemon with phenomenal defenses, a good typing overall, and access to 4th gen moves, and you get an... oddly viable setup sweeper (or at least, it seems viable).
It's kind of Nattorei bait so make sure you can get rid of it.
DD doesn't help defenses, after the 3rd DD, Ditto should KO (maybe 4-5 with D Claw). But it could scare things while only running with 2 DDs, and I doubt Sazan's Draco Meteor or maybe even Onono's Outrage KO without Specs/Band/LO. Moreso, it resists Fire and Water, so it isn't afraid of the strongest Drizzle and Drought boosted attacks, and no Ice Shard should drop it.
You should use it/run the numbers and tell us how it works.