Eviolite

lol this thread about covers it. i think just about every pokemon which then got an evolution in a later generation has been mentioned. oh wait, we missed sneasel, togepi magmar , roselia and seadra.

there, now i think we're official.
 
Of course, Pikachu is also NFE, but he'd be MUCH better off with Light Ball anyway, not to mention it (might) not even work on a Pikachu (that has evolved from Pichu, at least)...

And in Cubone's case, I would still say Thick Club > Prevo Stone for the same reason.
 
Pika25 said:
Of course, Pikachu is also NFE, but he'd be MUCH better off with Light Ball anyway, not to mention it (might) not even work on a Pikachu (that has evolved from Pichu, at least)...

And in Cubone's case, I would still say Thick Club > Prevo Stone for the same reason.
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I thought Thick Club only worked for Marowak, much like Light Ball wouldn't work for Pichu..
 
(Everything below is assuming the stone is +1 to both defenses)

So Porygon2 doesn't get this item? So what? If I recall correctly, there are FIVE users of Trace. Three of them are from the Gardevoir line, and then there are Porygon2 and Porygon. Let's run some calcs.


252 Sp. Atk Life Orb Timid Azelf Psychic vs.

252 HP/252 Sp. Def Careful Porygon2: 37.2% - 44.1%
252 HP/252 Sp. Defense Careful Pre-Evolution Stone Porygon: 32.3% - 38%


252 Atk Life Orb Adamant Gyarados +1 Waterfall vs.

252 HP/252 Def Bold Porygon2: 56.4% - 66.6%
252 HP/252 Def Bold Pre-Evolution Stone Porygon: 49.4% - 58.4%


252 Atk Life Orb Adamant Lucario +2 Extremespeed vs.

252 HP/252 Def Bold Porygon2: 45.5% - 53.7%
252 HP/252 Def Bold Pre-Evolution Stone Porygon: 39.8% - 47%


Thoughts?
 
252 Atk Adamant Life Orb Nidoking's Stone Edge vs.

252 HP/252 Def Bold Pre-Evolution Stone Vulpix: 70.7% - 83.6%
252 HP/252 Def Bold Ninetails: 61.1% - 72%

252 HP/252 Def Bold Pre-Evolution Stone Snover: 54.9% - 64.8%
252 HP/252 Def Bold Abomasnow: 55.7% - 65.6%

252 HP/252 Def Bold Pre-Evolution Stone Hippopotas: 10.3% - 12.1%
252 HP/252 Def Bold Hippowdon: 9.3% - 11%

The difference between Vulpix and Ninetails is remarkably different. Snover and Abomasnow have almost the same damage intake, while Hippopotas is slightly weaker than Hippowdon.

As for the special spectrum...


252 Sp. Atk Timid Life Orb Azelf's Psychic vs.

252 HP/252 Sp. Def Careful Pre-Evolution Stone Vulpix: 42.1% - 49.6%
252 HP/252 Sp. Def Careful Ninetails: 38.6% - 45.4%

252 HP/252 Sp. Def Careful Pre-Evolution Stone Snover: 38% - 44.8%
252 HP/252 Sp. Def Careful Abomasnow: 39.1% - 46.1%

252 HP/252 Sp. Def Careful Pre-Evolution Stone Hippopotas: 42.6% - 50.6%
252 HP/252 Sp. Def Careful Hippowdon: 39.3% - 46.4%

The differences on the special spectrum were disappointing. Vulpix and Hippopotas take rather hard hits, while Snover and Abomasnow are nearly on par.
 
Snover, Hippopotas and Vulpix are all crap, but the idea of the Porygon I paid 9,999 fucking coins to get actually being useful makes me happy.
 
If it's only first tier Pre-Evolved Pokemon, we'll be missing out on a couple of great walls like Rhydon, Porygon2, and Ducslops. (even Marowak, who still has a decent 80 Atk stat without its club)

Scyther seems to stick out a bit, sporting 70 HP / 80 Def / 80 Def. Boosting those decent defenses could allow him to achieve more than one Swords Dance, and he has Recovery, of course.

One scary Pokemon for Little Cup is Wynaut. He'd have better defenses than Wobba, but of course, much lower HPs. Still, it would turn him into quite the sturdy Pokemon.
 
Epic Cherubi said:
Snover, Hippopotas and Vulpix are all crap, but the idea of the Porygon I paid 9,999 fucking coins to get actually being useful makes me happy.
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I lol'ed.

I believe the speculation on the weather babies was more for the future UU/NU tiers. They could be rather viable there.

Also, I'm glad to report Porygon gets Recover, Magic Coat, Thunder Bolt, Ice Beam, Trick (not like it needs it), Thunder Wave, Toxic (if brought from 4th gen), and Trick Room. Basically it's a slightly weaker porygon2.
 
Epic Cherubi said:
Snover, Hippopotas and Vulpix are all crap, but the idea of the Porygon I paid 9,999 fucking coins to get actually being useful makes me happy.
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Not really, leftovers provides 6.25% recovery so the advantage of using Porygon over Porygon2 is less than 2% at most, and you're giving up alot of spatk.

But without knowing exactly what the stone does it's all speculation.
 
Ha Nintendo had this all planned out . ;. lol they thought it would kill the game so they made baby verisons/ wTF lol i see alot of usage of this stone will be used in LC
 
Ha Nintendo had this all planned out . ;. lol they thought it would kill the game so they made baby verisons/ wTF lol i see alot of usage of this stone will be used in LC
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I can't imagine this stone being allowed in LC. It would turn for example Curse Munchlax into instant win without any Fighting types left. Wynaut is also perfect example.

I believe the speculation on the weather babies was more for the future UU/NU tiers. They could be rather viable there.
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And I mentioned for LOWER TIERS, where Snover and Hippotas were used for weather teams. And Snover may make up for Lefties recovery with Leech Seed and Hippopotas has Slack Off, so not a big deal and difference in defenses is just too big to let it pass.

Also quite funny thing is that Porygon with Traced Intimidiate may take not only on Gyarados, but even on DDMence.

I'll rebuild this thread after 100% confirmation which Pokemon this stone boost and numbers of it. IMO for now Gligar, Scyther and Munchlax are the best candidates.

EDIT: Some users asked me to create it, so I did it. And for second Swimming Googles thread also was created based only on basic informations.
 
I havnt read what every1 said but.... Shouldn't Scyther,Golbat,Sneazel,Snover,Hippo get a mention?And yah Chancey is the new Blissey :D
And also i dont think a thread should be made without actually knowing by how much the item is actually boosting...It might as well be another 10%-er.
 
Garganator said:
I can't imagine this stone being allowed in LC. It would turn for example Curse Munchlax into instant win without any Fighting types left. Wynaut is also perfect example.



And I mentioned for LOWER TIERS, where Snover and Hippotas were used for weather teams. And Snover may make up for Lefties recovery with Leech Seed and Hippopotas has Slack Off, so not a big deal and difference in defenses is just too big to let it pass.

Also quite funny thing is that Porygon with Traced Intimidiate may take not only on Gyarados, but even on DDMence.

I'll rebuild this thread after 100% confirmation which Pokemon this stone boost and numbers of it. IMO for now Gligar, Scyther and Munchlax are the best candidates.

EDIT: Some users asked me to create it, so I did it. And for second Swimming Googles thread also was created based only on basic informations.
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I still say you are sort of snubbing Onix for play in NU. :/

A sandstorm boost via Hippopotas already boost Onix's SpDef, and it already had really good Def. Plus it has Curse as a stat boosting move.
 
I'm not really seeing the benefits of pokemon like Munchlax compared to its evolved counterpart - isnt the HP Stat vastly different?
 
Pagz said:
I know it's not "technically" a pre-volution, but I wonder if it will work on Phione?
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I wondered the same, but since it doesn't evolve it will probably be treated like everything else that doesn't evolve, and thus won't benefit from this.
 
i think the best candidate for this are misdreveus (yeah GSC Trapper ftw) and chansey which really need Softboiled then!
 
Can somebody please tell me where they're getting details on new items?
I can't find a data-base for them anywhere online.
 
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