Chansey isn't that much more specially defensive than Blissey, only bulkier on the physical side (significantly so). However, this comes at the trade-off that Chansey can only really use Seismic Toss as an attacking move, as 35 SpA doesn't let it use the moves Blissey commonly uses (Flamethrower, Ice Beam, etc.). It also loses on Lefties recovery. IMO it's not worth it to use Chansey over Blissey.
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It's an even worse choice when there's the item cause in effect
If the item clause becomes standard. It might not.
And if it does, that'll hurt Blissey more than Chansey. Chances are, more things will want Leftovers than the Stone.
Well, with all the rotom formes now not ghosts dusclops could be a decent spin blocker
^It doesn't. 50% for all Pre-evos.
I don't know. If you use Chansey, you can give Leftovers to another teammate. If you use Blissey, you can't. It would depend on your team.
I think there's more OU-viable Pokemon who'd want Leftovers than the Stone.
That's what was originally thought, but now it's 50% for all NFEs (I'm not sure if this is based on testing and calculations, or if it's been extracted from the game's coding).
There's way better choices like Porygon 2 and Dusclops
Oh yeah, I'm really interested in Porygon 2 with the stone.
I just wish it could get Adaptability, because then I'd be able to use my little Tri-Attack/Shadow Ball Conversion strategy with something that can take a hit.
...actually, I could probably use that anyway. It'll deal less damage than a Porygon Z, but that's a given, and I could use Recover as well...
I just wish it could get Adaptability, because then I'd be able to use my little Tri-Attack/Shadow Ball Conversion strategy with something that can take a hit.
...actually, I could probably use that anyway. It'll deal less damage than a Porygon Z, but that's a given, and I could use Recover as well...
I agree with the above poster. I would like for somebody to test whether or not this is a direct +1 stage boost or not. If not, how is it calculated? If a Pokemon with 100 defense uses this item and gets a 50% boost, what happens if they use Harden and get another 50% boost? Will they have 200 or 225 defense?
A few problems with this. First, I don't play NU or LC, so I don't know what "common NU/LC threats" are. You gotta list them. Second, do not assume what's NU now will still be NU in 5th generation. There are too many changes. Third, Stoned Pokemon will likely banned in LC because of the immense power it brings, so don't get too excited.
A few problems with this. First, I don't play NU or LC, so I don't know what "common NU/LC threats" are. You gotta list them. Second, do not assume what's NU now will still be NU in 5th generation. There are too many changes. Third, Stoned Pokemon will likely banned in LC because of the immense power it brings, so don't get too excited.
No problem!
This can add so much diversity and fun to at least the lower tiers, couldn't it be made an exception to item clause? Running more than one on a team wouldn't really give much of an advantage like other items.
*sigh* Two words, What If. This item is huge so I wouldn't be surprised if the Item Clause became a standard clause
If Item Clause was made standard because of this item, this item would never be the exception to it.
And I can't see this being really broken or anything; NFE's using it will end up in appropriate tiers of their own, probably.
Yeah, NFEs will just be their own Pokemon. Sort of like how we had things like Chansey, Magneton, Scyther and Porygon 2 who all got into UU at some point last generation. There'll be a few more NFEs who'll get into UU, I'd suspect, this time around.
And it won't make lower tiers OU-lite. Metang with Pre-Evo Stone is VERY different stat-wize to, say, Choice Band Metagross. Whilst they have almost the same movepool, they'll certainly use different movesets, play different roles, and would most likely be in different tiers.
Apparently Berry Juice is going to be allowed in Little Cup, so I don't think this stone is going to see any use at all (in Little Cup). It's inferior to Berry Juice for all Pokemon below 40 HP..... which is all Pokemon allowed in LC.
I think we're missing a pretty pivotal pokemon here:
Mixed Salamence's Outrage against standard Wobbuffett (Calm- 28 HP/228 DEF/ 252 SDEF): 46.8% - 55.3%
Mixed Salamence's Outrage against +1/+1 Wynaut (Impish- 4 HP/ 252 DEF/ 252 SDEF): 48.2%- 57.2%
It doesn't do nearly as well on the special side of the spectrum, but having Wynaut and Wobbufett on the same team? Who likes having free set-up turns?
Mixed Salamence's Outrage against standard Wobbuffett (Calm- 28 HP/228 DEF/ 252 SDEF): 46.8% - 55.3%
Mixed Salamence's Outrage against +1/+1 Wynaut (Impish- 4 HP/ 252 DEF/ 252 SDEF): 48.2%- 57.2%
It doesn't do nearly as well on the special side of the spectrum, but having Wynaut and Wobbufett on the same team? Who likes having free set-up turns?
Probably Wynaut's best item, aside from Custap maybe if EV'd right, but he still
* Takes a slightly higher HP%
* Loses less HP for CounterCoating
* Can be outsped by certain parts of stall teams
* Misses out on lefties/custap (with this)
Still, if Wobby returns to Uber then Wynaut would have a niche in OU if he comes back.
* Takes a slightly higher HP%
* Loses less HP for CounterCoating
* Can be outsped by certain parts of stall teams
* Misses out on lefties/custap (with this)
Still, if Wobby returns to Uber then Wynaut would have a niche in OU if he comes back.
so pory2 just got that much better with this item?
it has always been my favourite utility duck with trace :nerd:
it has always been my favourite utility duck with trace :nerd:
Um, no love for Metapod?
But seriously, I'm REALLY looking forward to using Dusclops in NU now >:)
Btw Item Clause is shit IMHO. It will likely never become standard.
But seriously, I'm REALLY looking forward to using Dusclops in NU now >:)
Btw Item Clause is shit IMHO. It will likely never become standard.
Metapod? lol
I doubt that Dusclops will be NU in Gen 5
Btw Defenses will be Extreme with this item so you'd be surprised how many people disagree