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Excadrill

JSND said:
actualy the current set has best coverage it could ask for.
If he has something insane like meteor then we might consider otherwise, the current slidequake is better
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Iron Head doesn't take away from Slide/Quake.
It would just be better than Return for the greater power, flinch while having similar netural coverage due to EQ/Rock Slide covering the resists.
Anyway, it doesn't have the option, so I won't go on about hypotheticals.
But if it ever gets a tutor, Iron Head goes on my Doryuuzu.
 
For some odd reason, i'm starting to see less of these pokemon, beforehand, everyone and their mother were using him, I guess Roopushin and other counters are starting to adapt incase for a Dory-emergency. (Like heracross was back in 4th gen)
 
All I have to say is this thing in sand handed me my ass mid-game when I'd been in the driving seat. I'm just plodding along happily, when suddenly, this monster comes out, proceeding to sweep my whole team. Not seen many of them around though, which is surprising given how much I've seen Dory discussed here. I guess the novelty's wearing off and people are wanting to try something different, as well as others having adapted to best deal with Dory due to heavy early usage. Being a relative noob to this whole scene though, this thing scares me. Might have to throw Gliscor into my team...
 
This thing is ridiculous. I run a spinner set with max attack and still manage to get decent 300-ish HP and nearly 200 in both defences, but I don't run that much speed. Even so, it can always manage to get a rapid spin done and sometimes sweep a bit, if the opponent happens not to run priority/scarfers.
 
So I'm running a Gliscor now that's been countering Dory and plenty of others well, but the last match I had Dory managed to put down the Gliscor and 6-0 me. It was absolutely ridiculous. I had trouble getting to sleep so I've been up all night, so I'm a bit out of it, leading to me not seeing that he was running balloon. So I go for EQ and nothing happens, and I realise how silly I've been. But no big deal, right? Acrobat and EQ should still get me through safely. Nope. After my Acrobat, it gets a crit and takes out my Gliscor. Wonderful. After that, nothing could outspeed it or take its hits, so game over.
 
I can't see Brick Break being a good choice, since Rock Slide gives him greater coverage, as well as a flinch chance.

The biggest reason being is that also when facing Skarmory or Gliscor I'd rather have Rock Slide for the flinch, as well as the fact that from what I've seen many people like to switch in Flyers like Gyra' which Slide would hit for Super Effective. (And I've also saw Staraptor switch in multiple times lowering his attack with intimidate, switch as he attempted to hit it with X-Scissor into Roopushin with Mach Punch.)

Also, I like Return because it hits neutral on alot of counters to Dory like Breloom.
 
Um, EQ still hits Roob for neutral. Not that you're gonna have a chance against Mach Punch roob, but anyway.

People mostly run Brick Break as Dory's 4th 'filler' move, because its got a nice utility in being able to kill other Balloon Dory's. In most other situations, EQ+Rock Slide is enough.
 
UnhandledException said:
Um, EQ still hits Roob for neutral. Not that you're gonna have a chance against Mach Punch roob, but anyway.

People mostly run Brick Break as Dory's 4th 'filler' move, because its got a nice utility in being able to kill other Balloon Dory's. In most other situations, EQ+Rock Slide is enough.
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I watched a video where someone used Rock Tomb to break it, as well as lower its speed so he could go for the KO the next turn.

Could that be an option also?
 
The problem with relying on Scor alone as your Dory counter is that you pretty much have to play very conservatively with him or you WILL be swept
 
A Fhaol Bhig said:
I watched a video where someone used Rock Tomb to break it, as well as lower its speed so he could go for the KO the next turn.

Could that be an option also?
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Thing is, Rock Tomb doesn't do anything outside of that, while BB at least hits Bronzong for neutral(and Natt for SE, for that matter). Against other Dorys, it will still lose if it has (1)Lost its Balloon 2)RT misses 3)Opposing Dory has Brick Break.

masterful said:
The problem with relying on Scor alone as your Dory counter is that you pretty much have to play very conservatively with him or you WILL be swept
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With Protect+Poison Heal, Gliscor is mostly at good health a majority of the time(even after repeated switch ins to opposing fighting types), and if you run max HP and a nice amount of Def evs it takes like ~25% from a +2 Dory Rock Slide.
 
UnhandledException said:
Thing is, Rock Tomb doesn't do anything outside of that, while BB at least hits Bronzong for neutral(and Natt for SE, for that matter). Against other Dorys, it will still lose if it has (1)Lost its Balloon 2)RT misses 3)Opposing Dory has Brick Break.



With Protect+Poison Heal, Gliscor is mostly at good health a majority of the time(even after repeated switch ins to opposing fighting types), and if you run max HP and a nice amount of Def evs it takes like ~25% from a +2 Dory Rock Slide.
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I know Scor can wall pokes it resists, but that doesn't mean anything to what I said. You can't take risks with your Gliscor when you NEED it to counter Dory
 
Sorry for reviving a seemingly dead thread but I'm hoping to stir up some more discussion about my favorite Gen 5. Pokemon.

What are some good offensive pokemon to use alongside Excadrill? I've been thinking of using him alongside with another sandstorm sweeper such as Terakkion or Landlos. I've even considered Garchomp. I can't really decide which would be best with him though.

I'm thinking Landlos would be good because it can lure in and get rid of Gliscor, Excadrill's most common counter with hidden power ice. However with Landlos and Excadrill, that leaves a third of my team unable to harm Skarmory or Bronzong, or one half because of Hippowdon and Tyranitar not being too fond of those two either. Terakkion and Garchomp are both pretty appealing too so I'm not too sure.
 
Doryuuzus best partners would be those that lure in Gliscor and Hippowdon, as checking the pokemon isn't enough since it can just switch out. ChainChomp (I know, but still it works), HP Ice or Grass Knot Landlos, Ice Beam tyranitar, and even HP Ice Virizion can work well.
 
IcyMan28 said:
Doryuuzus best partners would be those that lure in Gliscor and Hippowdon, as checking the pokemon isn't enough since it can just switch out. ChainChomp (I know, but still it works), HP Ice or Grass Knot Landlos, Ice Beam tyranitar, and even HP Ice Virizion can work well.
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From what I've seen, Doryuuzu worships Expert Belt Tyranitar. If you have T-Tar out, they would most likely expect a QuakeEdge variant and expect to wall it. Instead, you've got Ice Beam/Flamethrower/Crunch/Thunderbolt with 248 HP/ 88 Atk / 172 SpA and a Quiet nature. No one can ever tell if you're running Physical or Expert Belt, but they almost always asume it's a physical variant. It also brings in its sandstorm, serving as support.
 
Hmm. How about a standalone excadrill set? It'd set up sand for itself kinda like trick room with passive damage.

Excadrill @ life orb?
Adamant
104 HP/252 Atk/152 Spe
Sand Rush

Sandstorm
EQ/Drill Liner
Rock Slide
Rapid Spin/X-Scissor/Shadow Claw/Aerial Ace/Return

I just noticed that he doesn't learn stone edge o_O Drill liner (called drill run now I think) isn't as bad as people think. The crit chance is really nice when it activates!

Not sure about the item, but this is a standalone ex. Leftovers might be a good idea if you're using it a a spinner. The speed EVs hit 250 to outspeed scarfchomp.

I'll do some testing!

Disclaimer: This post is illegible and messy because it's late, I'm tired and I'm about to go to bed. Good night smogon!
 
Bulky doryuuzu is great. It can survive 270 base powered attack from 90 BAse attack
I use it with Rapid Spin and QS and honestly its my favorite set right now
 
JSND said:
Bulky doryuuzu is great. It can survive 270 base powered attack from 90 BAse attack
I use it with Rapid Spin and QS and honestly its my favorite set right now
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What's QS? And how bulky is bulky Dory? Can it take a Blaziken or Kojondo HJK? Can it take a T-tar Fire Blast? Can it take 2 Boil Overs?
 
Excadrill isn't bulky, but it isn't frail either with 110/60/65 defenses. Scizor's Swords Dance + Technician-boosted Bullet Punches still hurt, though.
 
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