Actually eric just switched signal beam and plante. It shall mean HP [Electric/Grass] cuz plante means grass >.<
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Actually eric just switched signal beam and plante. It shall mean HP [Electric/Grass] cuz plante means grass >.<
Ops.. If I could not find a translation I moved it to the end..
Yes, those sets do kind of have /itus, but maybe they find it less of a problem than us? Anyway its not hard to extract usable sets from them. If I was to condense those sets I would probably drop Sleep Talk and Signal Beam from Walrien and Protect from Metagross. Also move both punches (thanks for the translation Kittymew) to Set Comments. Leaving us with roughly:
French Stall Gross
Metagross@Leftovers
204 HP/54 Atk/252 Def
Impish
Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Light Screen
Rest/Explosion
Ice Punch and Thunderpunch could work over Earthquake for Dragons and bulky Grounds or Gyrados and bulky waters.
And:
Walrien@Choice Specs
252 HP/6 Def/252 SpA
Modest
Surf
Ice Beam
HP [Electric/Grass]
Hydro Pump
Use Blizzard on hail teams.
Well thats cured the /itus!
I wonder if these sets are actually used in the french metagame, or if they are simply an idea from whoever made the analysis.
Jirachi is no longer Uber in french metagame,Garchomp is now Uber.Your stats are really old.For a lot of french metagame player Celebi is OU.
Also I don't know why but a lot of us don't allow Gosth+spikes.
EDIT: Pokebip's strategidex has been done by only one people(Froggy25),now he just hasn't the time to update the dex.
Go here if you wan't a translation of pokemon's moves
Also I don't know why but a lot of us don't allow Gosth+spikes.
EDIT: Pokebip's strategidex has been done by only one people(Froggy25),now he just hasn't the time to update the dex.
Go here if you wan't a translation of pokemon's moves
Is there a better French stratergydex?
Also is "Gosth" Stealth Rock? (Rock type Spikes)
Also is "Gosth" Stealth Rock? (Rock type Spikes)
You are right with thunder punch but plante is for HP grass:)
Piege de Roc is stealth rock, I do not know what he means with Gosth(Ghost typo?)
Being a French player maybe I can help you guys out, learning competitive pokemon from Smogon but doing tournaments in France may give me enough hindsight to comment on the current French metagame.
First of all, I guess the sets you are picking out from diff. websites are as the above poster said "an idea from whoever made the analysis".
I got my hands on the ruleset for one month old tourny, here it is:
Banned:
Dugtrio
Mewtwo
Mew
Wobbufet
Smeargle
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi
wynaut
Latias
latios
groudon
kyogre
Magnezone
Garchomp
rayquaza
jirachi
deoxys (all forms)
dialga
palkia
giratina
phione
manaphy
darkrai
shaymin
arceus
Bolded are those which aren't uber in US metagame if i'm not mistaken.
Only one of these pokemon allowed in an entire team:
Articuno
Moltres
Zapdos
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Heatran
Regigigas
Cresselia
In some tournaments, this one "semi-uber" rule doesn't apply though.
The rest of the rules are standard, sleep hax items freeze ohko evasion and sand veil/snow cloak abuse (no sandstreamer+sandveiler in any team, no hailstreamer+snowcloaker in any team).
I think we do have self-ko clause as well, and Shedinja cannot be used as a lead (the shedinja thing has been removed recently). They also specify that curselax can be used, which may indicate that it was banned beforehand.
I must say first that this ruleset only comes from one tournament, others might be different.
Now onto my personal experience of the French competitive metagame:
Tournament winners have rather balanced to defensive teams, full offense never puts you in finals because it may be unreliable in the long run. In the tournaments I played, I saw a LOT of Cresselias, Blisseys and Suicunes against which my team wasn't that much prepared.
French players also use Substitute on a lot of random pokemon that it gets really annoying/suprisingly effective: machamp/gengar/gyarados and alot more others. I know it's not that much of a gimmick but I thought i'd better point it out as it struck me at first.
Other than that, well not that much. I think the French metagame follows the American one while keeping some of its Advance ruleset. The consequence is that some defensive/offensive combinations including the "semi-ubers" mentioned in my post cannot be done.
Garchomp isn't banned yet, but I surpsrisingly didn't encounter that much, seriously, finals of my last tournament were pretty much sweepers dying followed by a stallfest Blissey/Suicune versus Blissey/Suicune =]
EDIT: Some research made me find out that it is banned now.
However, I think the switch to platinum isn't done yet, so our metagame is pretty much half a year late, as it always was. So this post only concerns DP.
EDIT2: Some more things:
Serene Grace + Thunder wave Togekiss is banned at some tournaments.
As another player said, the Spiker(user of SR, Toxic Spikes or Spikes and any combination of those) + a ghost pokemon combo is banned at some tournaments. (ie: spin blocking)
FINAL EDIT: I also forgot something important, I remember that Hidden Power was banned at some point in many tournaments, but it's not the case anymore. I think the reason behind that was the doubtful legitimacy of legendary Pokemons with perfect hidden powers (again, not my opinion).
First of all, I guess the sets you are picking out from diff. websites are as the above poster said "an idea from whoever made the analysis".
I got my hands on the ruleset for one month old tourny, here it is:
Banned:
Dugtrio
Mewtwo
Mew
Wobbufet
Smeargle
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi
wynaut
Latias
latios
groudon
kyogre
Magnezone
Garchomp
rayquaza
jirachi
deoxys (all forms)
dialga
palkia
giratina
phione
manaphy
darkrai
shaymin
arceus
Bolded are those which aren't uber in US metagame if i'm not mistaken.
Only one of these pokemon allowed in an entire team:
Articuno
Moltres
Zapdos
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Heatran
Regigigas
Cresselia
In some tournaments, this one "semi-uber" rule doesn't apply though.
The rest of the rules are standard, sleep hax items freeze ohko evasion and sand veil/snow cloak abuse (no sandstreamer+sandveiler in any team, no hailstreamer+snowcloaker in any team).
I think we do have self-ko clause as well, and Shedinja cannot be used as a lead (the shedinja thing has been removed recently). They also specify that curselax can be used, which may indicate that it was banned beforehand.
I must say first that this ruleset only comes from one tournament, others might be different.
Now onto my personal experience of the French competitive metagame:
Tournament winners have rather balanced to defensive teams, full offense never puts you in finals because it may be unreliable in the long run. In the tournaments I played, I saw a LOT of Cresselias, Blisseys and Suicunes against which my team wasn't that much prepared.
French players also use Substitute on a lot of random pokemon that it gets really annoying/suprisingly effective: machamp/gengar/gyarados and alot more others. I know it's not that much of a gimmick but I thought i'd better point it out as it struck me at first.
Other than that, well not that much. I think the French metagame follows the American one while keeping some of its Advance ruleset. The consequence is that some defensive/offensive combinations including the "semi-ubers" mentioned in my post cannot be done.
Garchomp isn't banned yet, but I surpsrisingly didn't encounter that much, seriously, finals of my last tournament were pretty much sweepers dying followed by a stallfest Blissey/Suicune versus Blissey/Suicune =]
EDIT: Some research made me find out that it is banned now.
However, I think the switch to platinum isn't done yet, so our metagame is pretty much half a year late, as it always was. So this post only concerns DP.
EDIT2: Some more things:
Serene Grace + Thunder wave Togekiss is banned at some tournaments.
As another player said, the Spiker(user of SR, Toxic Spikes or Spikes and any combination of those) + a ghost pokemon combo is banned at some tournaments. (ie: spin blocking)
FINAL EDIT: I also forgot something important, I remember that Hidden Power was banned at some point in many tournaments, but it's not the case anymore. I think the reason behind that was the doubtful legitimacy of legendary Pokemons with perfect hidden powers (again, not my opinion).
No there isn't a DP better French Stratégidex :/,actually we use smogon stratégidex.
When I said Gosth+Spikes(including Toxic Spikes,Stealth Rock),I wanted to say blocking spin with a gosth stype pokémons.
I know this rule is a bit stupid but some people can't bear spike stacking
Jayce => In the last Pokémon in Paris(tournament) one of the two finalist had a full offense team(Azelf Lead/Scizor/Gyarados/Gengar/Garchomp/Infernape).Yes french metagame was REALLY stall oriented with a lot of Suicune,Blissey,Cresselia,Foretress...The matches were very long because blocking spin wasn't allowed.Most players are changing they play style by using offense teams and reducing the nomber of their walls.
Video of semi finals and final of pip 16
In this tournament spike stacking and spin blocking is allowed,there is no legendary limitation(exept for ubers) and Jirachi isn't Uber.
A recent Garchomp vote put him in Uber for the pip 17.You can notice that french people really hate trappers :p .
Jayce, do you have any idea why Phione and Dugtrio are banned?
Trio clause is weird. :/
I go to some amateur communities that have it...
Smeargle uber!?!?
I go to some amateur communities that have it...
Smeargle uber!?!?
this is all very interesting.
so they only play 3 vs 3?
so they only play 3 vs 3?
I edited my first post with more infos I got from updated rulesets so you may want to read it again first.
I don't have any official answer to the dugtrio ban, but my guess would be that trapping via a pokemon's ability (shadow tag, arena trap and magnet pull) is cheap and grants too easy KO's. It's weird however that Probopass isn't banned then.
That's not my opinion as I think dugtrio and zone are okay but they sure are surefire checks against a lot of the metagame and revengekill like nothing.
The Phione thing might be a thoughtless followup to the manaphy ban, not allowing a pre-evolution of an already uber pokemon because no testing has been done yet.
Once again, I may be wrong on some points but what I say is already better than the first glimpses there were in this topic.
I don't have any official answer to the dugtrio ban, but my guess would be that trapping via a pokemon's ability (shadow tag, arena trap and magnet pull) is cheap and grants too easy KO's. It's weird however that Probopass isn't banned then.
That's not my opinion as I think dugtrio and zone are okay but they sure are surefire checks against a lot of the metagame and revengekill like nothing.
The Phione thing might be a thoughtless followup to the manaphy ban, not allowing a pre-evolution of an already uber pokemon because no testing has been done yet.
Once again, I may be wrong on some points but what I say is already better than the first glimpses there were in this topic.
Since the main trapping Pokemon appear to be banned, does anyone use Trapinch to sidestep the rule?
I have not witnessed someone do that. Still that is an interesting point as I forgot about Trapinch, and Trapinch/Probopass aren't banned.
I've checked around for other metagames and found tier lists for Spain and Mexico ( cant say for sure that these are official cuz they may go with Smogon too, although the Spain one is quiet updated )
w.e. the site is called sth around pokemex =c
Mexico ( February, 2008 ):
Creadores
Arceus, Dialga (Con Adamant Orb), Palkia (Con Lustrous Orb)
Dunno what Creadores means but these three are here =o
Super Legendarios
Darkrai, Dialga, Deoxys-E, Deoxys-F, Deoxys-L, Deoxys-R/S, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latias(Con Soul Dew), Latios(Con Soul Dew), Lugia, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza.
The typical Uber tier, note that Latias and Latios without Soul Dew arent banned from OU
Legendarios
Articuno, Azelf, Celebi, Cresselia, Entei, Heatran, Jirachi, Latias, Latios, Manaphy, Mesprit, Mew, Moltres, Raikou, Regice, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, Shaymin, Suicune, Uxie, Zapdos.
I noticed that nearly every other list but Smogons does have this category where you can just use one out of these.
Titanes
Dragonite, Garchomp, Metagross, Salamence, Slaking, Tyranitar.
SuperOU how it is called. I guess they go for stats here.
Guardianes
Aerodactyl, Alakazam, Blissey, Breloom, Bronzong, Donphan, Dusknoir, Electivire, Forretress, Gengar, Gliscor, Gyarados, Heracross, Hippowdon, Infernape, Jolteon, Kingdra, Lucario, Ludicolo, Magnezone, Medicham, Milotic, Ninjask, Porygon-Z, Rhyperior, Sceptile, Skarmory, Slowbro, Starmie, Steelix, Snorlax, Swampert, Tauros, Togekiss, Umbreon, Vaporeon, Weavile, Weezing, Wobbuffet, Yanmega.
OU. This looks abit like the old Smogon List, with some Pkm like Steelix in it.
Semi-Guardianes
Abomasnow, Arcanine, Blaziken, Charizard, Claydol, Cradily, Crobat, Dugtrio, Dusclops, Empoleon, Espeon, Exeggutor, Feraligatr, Flygon, Gallade, Gardevoir, Lapras, Machamp, Magmortar, Magneton, Mamoswine, Marowak, Mismagius, Miltank, Rampardos, Roserade, Scizor, Smeargle, Spiritomb, Staraptor, Tangrowth, Tentacruel, Torterra, Typhlosion, Ursaring, Venusaur, Zangoose.
The BL we all know. Its quiet awkward, because things like Machamp and Mamoswine are BL.
Under
Aggron, Ambipom, Ampharos, Armaldo, Banette, Bastiodon, Blastoise, Chansey, Clefable, Cloyster, Cacturne, Dodrio, Drapion, Drifblim, Electrode, Floatzel, Froslass, Glaceon, Gligar, Gorebyss, Golduck, Granbull, Grumpig, Hariyama, Hitmonlee, Honchkrow, Houndoom, Huntail, Hypno, Jumpluff, Jynx, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lanturn, Leafeon, Linoone, Lickilicky, Luxray, Mantine, Meganium, Nidoking, Ninetales, Omastar, Pinsir, Phione, Poliwrath, Porygon2, Probopass, Quagsire, Raichu, Relicanth, Rhydon, Rotom, Sandslash, Scyther, Sharpedo, Shiftry, Slowking, Solrock, Stantler, Swellow, Toxicroak, Vespiquen Vileplume, Walrein.
UU. to me, this looks like offensive, because there is no Claydol, Steelix, etc.. though P2 is present.
Semi-Under
Absol, Altaria, Azumarril, Camerupt, Crawdaunt, Delcatty, Electabuzz, Exploud, Fearow, Girafarig, Golem, Hitmonchan, Kingler, Lopunny, Lunatone, Magmar, Manectric, Mothim, Nidoqueen, Persian, Pikachu, Politoed, Primeape, Rapidash, Raticate, Sneasel, Victreebel.
BL between UU and NU. Well... Azumarill and Altaria shouldnt be here.
Abyss
Arbok, Ariados, Beautifly, Beedrill, Bellosom, Bibarel, Butterfree, Castform, Carnivine, Corsola, Chatot, Cherrim, Chimecho, Delibird, Dewgong, Ditto, Dunsparce, Dustox, Farfetch’d, Flareon, Furret, Gastrodon, Glalie, Illumise, Kecleon, Kricketune, Lickitung, Ledian, Luvdisc, Lumineon, Magcargo, Masquerain, Mawile, Mightyena, Minun, Misdreavus, Muk, Murkrow, Noctowl, Nosepass, Octillery, Pachirisu, Parasect, Pidgeot, Pelipper, Piloswine, Plusle, Purugly, Qwilfish, Roselia, Sableye, Seaking, Seviper, Shedinja, Shuckle, Skuntank, Spinda, Sudowoodo, Sunflora, Swalot, Tangela, Togetic, Torkoal, Tropius, Unown, Venomoth, Volbeat, Wailord, Whiscash, Wigglytuff, Wormadam, Xatu, Yanma, Wynaut
Um.. NU I guess. This contaisn some pkm that actually do good.. like Venomoth, Gastrodon and Qwilfish.
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This list was before Platinum though. And heres the next one:
Spain ( October 08 - present ) http://pokeforos.com/thread-3256-page-1.html
>>> Ubers <<<
Arceus, Darkrai, Deoxys-E, Deoxys-F, Deoxys-L, Deoxys-R/S, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latias(con y sin @Soul Dew), Latios(con y sin @Soul Dew), Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Palkia, Sky Shaymin, Rayquaza.
Looks quiet similar to our Uber list but Lati@s are banned with and without Soul Dew. I guess the missing presense of Giratina-o means that "Giratina" is for both.
>>>Semi-ubers<<< (1 máximo en OU)
Azelf, Celebi, Heatran, Manaphy, Raikou, Shaymin, Suicune, Wobbuffet, Zapdos.
Again, u can use one of these in OU. Note that Manaphy isnt Uber.
>>> OverUsed (OU) <<<
Articuno, Abomasnow, Aerodactyl, Alakazam, Arcanine, Blissey, Breloom, Bronzong, Cresselia, Crobat, Donphan, Dragonite, Dusknoir, Electivire, Forretress, Gallade, Garchomp, Gengar, Gliscor, Gyarados, Heracross, Hippowdon, Infernape, Jirachi, Jolteon, Kingdra, Lucario, Ludicolo, Machamp, Magnezone, Mamoswine, Metagross, Medicham, Mesprit, Milotic, Moltres, Ninjask, Porygon-Z, Regice, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, Rhyperior, Salamence, Sceptile, Scizor, Skarmory, Slaking, Slowbro, Staraptor, Starmie, Snorlax, Spiritomb, Swampert, Togekiss, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Uxie, Vaporeon, Weavile, Yanmega.
well.. abit weird seing Articuno and Ursaring in here =c.
>>> BorderLine (BL+) <<< [Permitidos en OU a placer, y en UU, máximo 2]
Ambipom, Azumarill, Blaziken, Charizard, Claydol, Clefable2vs2, Dusclops, Dugtrio, Electrode 2vs2 Empoleon, Entei, Espeon, Exeggutor, Feraligatr, Flygon, Gardevoir, Hariyama, Honchkrow, Lapras, Magmortar, Magneton, Marowak, Mismagius, Miltank, Rampardos, Roserade, Smeargle, Tangrowth, Tentacruel, Tauros, Torterra, Typhlosion, Umbreon, Venusaur, Weezing, Zangoose.
Huh, you can use two out of these in UU. I also noticed that Clefable and Electrode get different tiers for single and double metagame.
>>> UnderUsed (UU) <<<
Absol, Altaria, Aggron, Ampharos, Armaldo, Banette, Bastiodon, Blastoise, Camerupt, Chansey, Clefable1vs1, Cloyster, Cacturne, Cradily, Crawdaunt, Dodrio, Drapion, Drifblim, Electrode(1vs1), Electabuzz, Floatzel, Frosslass, Gastrodon, Glaceon, Gligar, Gorebyss, Golduck, Granbull, Grumpig, Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Houndoom, Huntail, Hypno, Jumpluff, Jynx, Kabutops, Kanghaskan, Kingler, Lanturn, Leafeon, Linoone, Lickylicky, Lunatone, Luxray, Magmar, Mantine, Manectric, Meganium, Mr. Mime, Muk, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Ninetales, Octillery, Omastar, Persian, Pinsir, Phione, Poliwrath, Porygon2, Primeape, Probopass, Purugly, Quagsire, Raichu, Relicanth, Rhydon, Rotom, Sandslash, Scyther, Sharpedo, Shiftry, Skarmory 2vs2, Slowking, Solrock, Stantler, Steelix, Swellow, Togetic 2vs2 , Toxicroak, Vileplume, Victreebel, Wailord, Walrein.
yup.. UU
>>> BorderLine (BL-) <<< [Permitidos en UU a placer, y en NU, máximo 2]
Arbok, Bastiodon, Exploud, Fearow, Girafarig, Golem, Hitmonchan, Lopunny, Mothim, Noctowl, Pikachu, Politoed, Qwilfish, Rapidash, Raticate, Skuntank, Sneasel, Sudowoodo, Vespiqueen
BL of UU / NU. Allowed to use 2 of them in NU
>>> NeverUsed (NU) <<<
Ariados, Beautifly, Beedrill, Bellosom, Bibarel, Butterfree, Castform, Carnivine, Corsola, Chatot, Cherrim, Chimecho, Delcatty, Delibird, Dewgong, Ditto, Dunsparce, Dustox, Farfetch'd, Flareon, Furret, Glalie, Illumise, Kecleon, Kricketune, Lickitung, Ledian, Luvdisc, Lumineon, Magcargo, Masquerain, Mawile, Mightyena, Minun, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Nosepass, Pachirisu, Parasect, Pidgeot, Pelipper, Piloswine, Plusle, Roselia, Sableye, Seaking, Seviper, Shedinja, Shuckle, Spinda, Sunflora, Swalot, Tangela, Togetic(1vs1), Torkoal, Tropius, Unown, Venomoth, Volbeat, Whiscash, Wigglytuff, Wormadam, Xatu, Yanma, Wynaut.
NU
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dunno if this is any important >.<
w.e. the site is called sth around pokemex =c
Mexico ( February, 2008 ):
Creadores
Arceus, Dialga (Con Adamant Orb), Palkia (Con Lustrous Orb)
Dunno what Creadores means but these three are here =o
Super Legendarios
Darkrai, Dialga, Deoxys-E, Deoxys-F, Deoxys-L, Deoxys-R/S, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latias(Con Soul Dew), Latios(Con Soul Dew), Lugia, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza.
The typical Uber tier, note that Latias and Latios without Soul Dew arent banned from OU
Legendarios
Articuno, Azelf, Celebi, Cresselia, Entei, Heatran, Jirachi, Latias, Latios, Manaphy, Mesprit, Mew, Moltres, Raikou, Regice, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, Shaymin, Suicune, Uxie, Zapdos.
I noticed that nearly every other list but Smogons does have this category where you can just use one out of these.
Titanes
Dragonite, Garchomp, Metagross, Salamence, Slaking, Tyranitar.
SuperOU how it is called. I guess they go for stats here.
Guardianes
Aerodactyl, Alakazam, Blissey, Breloom, Bronzong, Donphan, Dusknoir, Electivire, Forretress, Gengar, Gliscor, Gyarados, Heracross, Hippowdon, Infernape, Jolteon, Kingdra, Lucario, Ludicolo, Magnezone, Medicham, Milotic, Ninjask, Porygon-Z, Rhyperior, Sceptile, Skarmory, Slowbro, Starmie, Steelix, Snorlax, Swampert, Tauros, Togekiss, Umbreon, Vaporeon, Weavile, Weezing, Wobbuffet, Yanmega.
OU. This looks abit like the old Smogon List, with some Pkm like Steelix in it.
Semi-Guardianes
Abomasnow, Arcanine, Blaziken, Charizard, Claydol, Cradily, Crobat, Dugtrio, Dusclops, Empoleon, Espeon, Exeggutor, Feraligatr, Flygon, Gallade, Gardevoir, Lapras, Machamp, Magmortar, Magneton, Mamoswine, Marowak, Mismagius, Miltank, Rampardos, Roserade, Scizor, Smeargle, Spiritomb, Staraptor, Tangrowth, Tentacruel, Torterra, Typhlosion, Ursaring, Venusaur, Zangoose.
The BL we all know. Its quiet awkward, because things like Machamp and Mamoswine are BL.
Under
Aggron, Ambipom, Ampharos, Armaldo, Banette, Bastiodon, Blastoise, Chansey, Clefable, Cloyster, Cacturne, Dodrio, Drapion, Drifblim, Electrode, Floatzel, Froslass, Glaceon, Gligar, Gorebyss, Golduck, Granbull, Grumpig, Hariyama, Hitmonlee, Honchkrow, Houndoom, Huntail, Hypno, Jumpluff, Jynx, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lanturn, Leafeon, Linoone, Lickilicky, Luxray, Mantine, Meganium, Nidoking, Ninetales, Omastar, Pinsir, Phione, Poliwrath, Porygon2, Probopass, Quagsire, Raichu, Relicanth, Rhydon, Rotom, Sandslash, Scyther, Sharpedo, Shiftry, Slowking, Solrock, Stantler, Swellow, Toxicroak, Vespiquen Vileplume, Walrein.
UU. to me, this looks like offensive, because there is no Claydol, Steelix, etc.. though P2 is present.
Semi-Under
Absol, Altaria, Azumarril, Camerupt, Crawdaunt, Delcatty, Electabuzz, Exploud, Fearow, Girafarig, Golem, Hitmonchan, Kingler, Lopunny, Lunatone, Magmar, Manectric, Mothim, Nidoqueen, Persian, Pikachu, Politoed, Primeape, Rapidash, Raticate, Sneasel, Victreebel.
BL between UU and NU. Well... Azumarill and Altaria shouldnt be here.
Abyss
Arbok, Ariados, Beautifly, Beedrill, Bellosom, Bibarel, Butterfree, Castform, Carnivine, Corsola, Chatot, Cherrim, Chimecho, Delibird, Dewgong, Ditto, Dunsparce, Dustox, Farfetch’d, Flareon, Furret, Gastrodon, Glalie, Illumise, Kecleon, Kricketune, Lickitung, Ledian, Luvdisc, Lumineon, Magcargo, Masquerain, Mawile, Mightyena, Minun, Misdreavus, Muk, Murkrow, Noctowl, Nosepass, Octillery, Pachirisu, Parasect, Pidgeot, Pelipper, Piloswine, Plusle, Purugly, Qwilfish, Roselia, Sableye, Seaking, Seviper, Shedinja, Shuckle, Skuntank, Spinda, Sudowoodo, Sunflora, Swalot, Tangela, Togetic, Torkoal, Tropius, Unown, Venomoth, Volbeat, Wailord, Whiscash, Wigglytuff, Wormadam, Xatu, Yanma, Wynaut
Um.. NU I guess. This contaisn some pkm that actually do good.. like Venomoth, Gastrodon and Qwilfish.
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This list was before Platinum though. And heres the next one:
Spain ( October 08 - present ) http://pokeforos.com/thread-3256-page-1.html
>>> Ubers <<<
Arceus, Darkrai, Deoxys-E, Deoxys-F, Deoxys-L, Deoxys-R/S, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latias(con y sin @Soul Dew), Latios(con y sin @Soul Dew), Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Palkia, Sky Shaymin, Rayquaza.
Looks quiet similar to our Uber list but Lati@s are banned with and without Soul Dew. I guess the missing presense of Giratina-o means that "Giratina" is for both.
>>>Semi-ubers<<< (1 máximo en OU)
Azelf, Celebi, Heatran, Manaphy, Raikou, Shaymin, Suicune, Wobbuffet, Zapdos.
Again, u can use one of these in OU. Note that Manaphy isnt Uber.
>>> OverUsed (OU) <<<
Articuno, Abomasnow, Aerodactyl, Alakazam, Arcanine, Blissey, Breloom, Bronzong, Cresselia, Crobat, Donphan, Dragonite, Dusknoir, Electivire, Forretress, Gallade, Garchomp, Gengar, Gliscor, Gyarados, Heracross, Hippowdon, Infernape, Jirachi, Jolteon, Kingdra, Lucario, Ludicolo, Machamp, Magnezone, Mamoswine, Metagross, Medicham, Mesprit, Milotic, Moltres, Ninjask, Porygon-Z, Regice, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, Rhyperior, Salamence, Sceptile, Scizor, Skarmory, Slaking, Slowbro, Staraptor, Starmie, Snorlax, Spiritomb, Swampert, Togekiss, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Uxie, Vaporeon, Weavile, Yanmega.
well.. abit weird seing Articuno and Ursaring in here =c.
>>> BorderLine (BL+) <<< [Permitidos en OU a placer, y en UU, máximo 2]
Ambipom, Azumarill, Blaziken, Charizard, Claydol, Clefable2vs2, Dusclops, Dugtrio, Electrode 2vs2 Empoleon, Entei, Espeon, Exeggutor, Feraligatr, Flygon, Gardevoir, Hariyama, Honchkrow, Lapras, Magmortar, Magneton, Marowak, Mismagius, Miltank, Rampardos, Roserade, Smeargle, Tangrowth, Tentacruel, Tauros, Torterra, Typhlosion, Umbreon, Venusaur, Weezing, Zangoose.
Huh, you can use two out of these in UU. I also noticed that Clefable and Electrode get different tiers for single and double metagame.
>>> UnderUsed (UU) <<<
Absol, Altaria, Aggron, Ampharos, Armaldo, Banette, Bastiodon, Blastoise, Camerupt, Chansey, Clefable1vs1, Cloyster, Cacturne, Cradily, Crawdaunt, Dodrio, Drapion, Drifblim, Electrode(1vs1), Electabuzz, Floatzel, Frosslass, Gastrodon, Glaceon, Gligar, Gorebyss, Golduck, Granbull, Grumpig, Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Houndoom, Huntail, Hypno, Jumpluff, Jynx, Kabutops, Kanghaskan, Kingler, Lanturn, Leafeon, Linoone, Lickylicky, Lunatone, Luxray, Magmar, Mantine, Manectric, Meganium, Mr. Mime, Muk, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Ninetales, Octillery, Omastar, Persian, Pinsir, Phione, Poliwrath, Porygon2, Primeape, Probopass, Purugly, Quagsire, Raichu, Relicanth, Rhydon, Rotom, Sandslash, Scyther, Sharpedo, Shiftry, Skarmory 2vs2, Slowking, Solrock, Stantler, Steelix, Swellow, Togetic 2vs2 , Toxicroak, Vileplume, Victreebel, Wailord, Walrein.
yup.. UU
>>> BorderLine (BL-) <<< [Permitidos en UU a placer, y en NU, máximo 2]
Arbok, Bastiodon, Exploud, Fearow, Girafarig, Golem, Hitmonchan, Lopunny, Mothim, Noctowl, Pikachu, Politoed, Qwilfish, Rapidash, Raticate, Skuntank, Sneasel, Sudowoodo, Vespiqueen
BL of UU / NU. Allowed to use 2 of them in NU
>>> NeverUsed (NU) <<<
Ariados, Beautifly, Beedrill, Bellosom, Bibarel, Butterfree, Castform, Carnivine, Corsola, Chatot, Cherrim, Chimecho, Delcatty, Delibird, Dewgong, Ditto, Dunsparce, Dustox, Farfetch'd, Flareon, Furret, Glalie, Illumise, Kecleon, Kricketune, Lickitung, Ledian, Luvdisc, Lumineon, Magcargo, Masquerain, Mawile, Mightyena, Minun, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Nosepass, Pachirisu, Parasect, Pidgeot, Pelipper, Piloswine, Plusle, Roselia, Sableye, Seaking, Seviper, Shedinja, Shuckle, Spinda, Sunflora, Swalot, Tangela, Togetic(1vs1), Torkoal, Tropius, Unown, Venomoth, Volbeat, Whiscash, Wigglytuff, Wormadam, Xatu, Yanma, Wynaut.
NU
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dunno if this is any important >.<
The majority of these lists you can only use one pokemon from said amount of pokemon, seems like there trying to avoid making the metagame revolve around a certain amount of pokemon.
I love how many non-American communities seem to say "Yeah, you can only use one out of these twenty or so obviously very powerful and popular Pokémon. As for the rest, be creative with your team."
Sounds great in theory at least. I'd still have to see how it actually works out.
I also like the idea of Spikes/SR user + Ghost type being banned.
Sounds great in theory at least. I'd still have to see how it actually works out.
I also like the idea of Spikes/SR user + Ghost type being banned.
That sounds like a great idea for some sort of tournament in the future. I remember playing in something like that a long time ago, where each team could use only one OU, one BL, one UU, one NU, one NFE, and (I think) one uber. This was back in RSE, and the "one uber" thing might be too powerful on its own under DPP, and everyone would probably be making either a Rain Dance or a Sunny Day team. Possibly two OUs instead. It was a lot of fun back in the day, though.
Although very interesting, banning so many things like that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. You are restricting stuff that is not supposed to be restricted (well that's how I think of it). Also, foreign metagames probably don't test stuff like Smogon. They probably just look at base stats, and movepool and judge from their what tier they go into.
Probably right about not looking at things as indepthly as us. However, we need to remember this is representing Evolution at it's finest. Identical samples of a game evolving completely independently of the others, and completely different results. What works for them, seems nonsensical to us, but is perfect for them, and vice versa. I'd love to try out some of this. I think that their OU (at least the ones that allow 1 or 2 used common threats) almost function in a way similar to what we're trying to accomplish with UU. It's something I'd like to explore.
Also, I think it would give us an opportunity to try a new, fresh battling experience. Its like having a tournament for a game that comes out on that day. You have no idea what's instore, so everyone has an equal(ish) chance.
Also, I think it would give us an opportunity to try a new, fresh battling experience. Its like having a tournament for a game that comes out on that day. You have no idea what's instore, so everyone has an equal(ish) chance.
Duggy seems pretty popular amongst these ban lists. So the French play a lot of 6 v 6 now too huh? That seems a bit weird to me. I can see a trapper being a bit overpowered in a 3 v 3 as a free kill is simply huge. However, if you're playing 6 v 6 now, I can't see it being too much different from our own metagame. Maybe he's a French suspect :D
I see this as a good idea. I personally feel Smeargle is somewhat broken. It can use any move in the game (with the exception of Chatter, but who cares) it could ever want and you never know what it is going to do. You could try to kill it since you out speed it and you know it is only going to spore you, when instead it Metal Bursts you and kills you after holding on with its fucking focus sash. I hate Smeargle. I had some punk ass kid use this on me (granted he had battled me over and over again and only wanted to find a way to beat me since he sucked every time and kept asking for rematches, he also claimed to have a "Legit Judgment Umbreon")
Who can honestly say that they don't start to think "Oh fuck" every time they see that retarded looking little thing? This is one thing France has right.