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Foreign metagames

Quite outdated list UsainBolt xd
Now manaphy and wobbo are uber, lati@s are OU without Soul Dew and we are gonna vote garchomp in spain
In our platinum tier list rotom appliances are uber (cause it is a wifi tier list, in SB they are OU)
We usually dont battle with the demi-ubers restriction
Similar rules than in smogon
 
Pink said:
Seems like they're avoiding centralized metagames by allowing only 2 common threats at a time. I kinda like this idea. It's interesting. Maybe we should try a tournament with rules similar to these.
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Maybe we could. Judging by the french metagame, it seems to be an integration of pokemon from all tiers, instead of focusing on a single tier (like us).
In our platinum tier list rotom appliances are uber
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That's really odd though, since I never find rotom appliances that hard to deal with.
 
I'm guessing it's only uber since Platinum isn't available in Europe yet, so you can't get a legit Rotom-A for wifi play.
 
its amazing how even different communities have relatively different tier lists. Take a look at this one I found on Neoseeker:
Ubers

Pokémon that are seen as too powerful for standard play. This could be due to massive stat total, insane movepool, or power to overcentralize the metagame if they were to remain in OU (often, all 3 of these reasons apply).

Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys
Deoxys-A
Deoxys-D
Giratina
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Latias
Latios
Lugia
Manaphy
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Wobbuffet



Standards (OU)

Pokémon that are most often seen. They are generally recognized for this and their high potential.

Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Cresselia
Dragonite
Dusknoir
Electivire
Forretress
Garchomp
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Jolteon
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Mamoswine
Metagross
Milotic
Ninjask
Porygon-Z
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Snorlax
Starmie
Swampert
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Weavile
Yanmega
Zapdos
(excluding rest)
or this one, on Nintendo Worlds:
Overused - A.K.A. "OU." Although they are not as strong as the Ubers, they are used the most often because of their ultimateness on the field. Each has their own strategy, and each work very well.
Aerodactyl
Alakazam
Azelf
Blissey
Bronzong
Celebi
Cresselia
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Dusknoir
Electivire
Garchomp
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Infernape
Jirachi
Jolteon
Lucario
Manaphy
Medicham
Metagross
Porygon-Z
Raikou
Regice
Rhyperior
Salamence
Shuckle
Skarmory
Slaking
Snorlax
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tangrowth
Tauros
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Weavile
Yanmega
(yet again, not including rest)
 
what's so weird about that? they look like ours before garchomp was uber and DX-S's real potential was discovered
 
I currently live in Korea. I'm almost certain they would follow the Japanese metagame very closely. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that I'd be able to find anyone who battles competitively to explain it to me. If I do happen across someone I'll be sure to let post what I find out.

I'd love to watch them play a competitive match though.
 
ninja death strike said:
I currently live in Korea. I'm almost certain they would follow the Japanese metagame very closely. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that I'd be able to find anyone who battles competitively to explain it to me. If I do happen across someone I'll be sure to let post what I find out.

I'd love to watch them play a competitive match though.
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I believe the Koreans had a same metagame as the japanese? Basically, the metagame was the same as Japan the last time I went there. It might have changed a bit though.
 
Most english sites know that the Smogon tier list is the most followed and so the majority of English sites will copy our tier list (with the exception of some suspects eg. latias garchomp DX-S).
 
Would be nice to see some sets from the asain-metagame as from their ban lists and clauses being so different maybe they found some sets we missed or didn't use to its fullest potential.
 
Maybe we have something to learn from how the Japanese use Cresselia. Here is a translated page (not very well) of the Japanese competitive wiki.

Edit: Eric the Espeon-I use Cresselia specifically because it is uber in Japan.
 
I've been looking around a bit. I haven't really learnt about the metagame, but the site layout and contents are interesting. For example:
Comparison of similar Pokémon (e.g. on the Cresselia page, you have comparisons with the pixies, Suicune, Lugia, Deoxys-D and Giratina).
Stats at certain levels (so you can tell if it has any 31 IVs easily).
Breeding chains.
Also, I love some of the set names. For example, CounterCoat Gastrodon is called 'Wobbuffet-like' :P

Anyway, they do seem to have Little Cup, as well as analyses for all the LC mons. I'm browsing the translated site now.

Also, it would be cool if we all suggested better translations for Pokémon, move and item names to Google Translate; it might eventually help us to understand it :P

EDIT: I don't know whether this has been posted, but this appears to be a list of teams used in a 2007 tourney. It's a bit outdated, but still...
 
Can you post the link to the site with LC analysis please?

And is it the same as our LC, Lv. 5 and only first stages with an evolution, or something different?
 
About Cressy stuff. I translated them. Just the sets though. I made up the names.

First moveset
Name: Calm Mind
Cresselia @ Leftovers / Chesto Berry
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd or SDef
- Calm Mind
- Moonlight / Rest
- Psychic / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / Hidden Power [Fire or something else I couldn't translate] / Future Sight

Huge third moveslot there.

Second set
Name: Sleep Talk
Cresselia @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Psychic
- Charge Beam / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / Psycho Shift

Third set
Name: Reflect
Cress @ Lefties
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Bold Nature
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Reflect
- Moonlight

Early D/P standard?

Set 4:
Name: Evasion Clause Breaker
Cress @ Lefties
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 6 Spd
Calm Nature
- Toxic
- Rest
- Double Team
- Psychic
NOTE: It mentioned Battle Tower in there. I guess it's their BT standard?

Set 5:
Name: Dual Screen
Cress @ Lefties / Light Clay
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Bold Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave

Set 6:
Name: Sunny Day
Cress @ Lefties / Lum
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Bold Nature
- Sunny Day
- Moonlight
- Solarbeam
- Psychic / Ice Beam/ Charge Beam / Shadow Ball

Set 7:
Name: Future Sight Calm Minder
Cress @ Lefties / Chesto
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def (or SA if Modest)/ 6 Speed
Bold / Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Safeguard
- Future Sight
- Moonlight / Rest

Looks interesting

Set 8:
Name: Special Defensive Calm Minder?
Cress @ Lefties
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 6 whatever
- Calm Mind
- Moonlight
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball / Ice Beam

Set 9:
Name: MythTrainerInfinity (lol just kidding, but...)
Cress @ Flame Orb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Whatever
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonlight
- Psychic / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / HP Fire (or I dunno) / Psycho Shift

Set 10:
Name: Semi All out attacker (huh?)
Cress @ Expert Belt (!!)
Bold / Modest / Timid
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Corresponding nature
- Moonlight
- Psychic / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / HP Fire (or I dunno) / Charge Beam
 
Jibaku said:
About Cressy stuff. I translated them. Just the sets though. I made up the names.

First moveset
Name: Calm Mind
Cresselia @ Leftovers / Chesto Berry
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd or SDef
- Calm Mind
- Moonlight / Rest
- Psychic / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / Hidden Power [Fire or something else I couldn't translate] / Future Sight

Huge third moveslot there.

Second set
Name: Sleep Talk
Cresselia @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Psychic
- Charge Beam / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / Psycho Shift

Third set
Name: Reflect
Cress @ Lefties
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Bold Nature
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Reflect
- Moonlight

Early D/P standard?

Set 4:
Name: Evasion Clause Breaker
Cress @ Lefties
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 6 Spd
Calm Nature
- Toxic
- Rest
- Double Team
- Psychic
NOTE: It mentioned Battle Tower in there. I guess it's their BT standard?

Set 5:
Name: Dual Screen
Cress @ Lefties / Light Clay
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Bold Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave

Set 6:
Name: Sunny Day
Cress @ Lefties / Lum
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Bold Nature
- Sunny Day
- Moonlight
- Solarbeam
- Psychic / Ice Beam/ Charge Beam / Shadow Ball

Set 7:
Name: Future Sight Calm Minder
Cress @ Lefties / Chesto
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def (or SA if Modest)/ 6 Speed
Bold / Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Safeguard
- Future Sight
- Moonlight / Rest

Looks interesting

Set 8:
Name: Special Defensive Calm Minder?
Cress @ Lefties
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 6 whatever
- Calm Mind
- Moonlight
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball / Ice Beam

Set 9:
Name: MythTrainerInfinity (lol just kidding, but...)
Cress @ Flame Orb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Whatever
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonlight
- Psychic / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / HP Fire (or I dunno) / Psycho Shift

Set 10:
Name: Semi All out attacker (huh?)
Cress @ Expert Belt (!!)
Bold / Modest / Timid
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Corresponding nature
- Moonlight
- Psychic / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / HP Fire (or I dunno) / Charge Beam
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Do foreign metagames (or more specifically Asian, due to the different style) use an Evasion Clause? I assume that they do, but I don't know for certain.

Why would you have a Flame Orb on a Cresselia and not definitely have Psycho Shift? (It's listed only as an option)

The Expert Belt set is almost as strange. Moonlight is understandable if you're not using Sleep Talk, and maybe even Psychic for STAB. Also, why is Timid recommended for a Pokemon that would need all the Special Attack it could get for that kind of set (unless you get a few lucky Charge Beams or something)
 
0_o That's... a lot of differences, to say the least...

@Jibaku: I believe the other hidden power is HP Fighting.
 
@adman2
Why would you have a Flame Orb on a Cresselia and not definitely have Psycho Shift? (It's listed only as an option)

Maybe as a Status-Absorber - i would run Rest over Moonlight, because 8 PP Moonlight is not much.
 
Jibaku said:
Second set
Name: Sleep Talk
Cresselia @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Psychic
- Charge Beam / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / Psycho Shift
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I wonder how would the STalked Psycho Shifted sleep work? Would it last a set amount left from Rest sleep or work as a normal sleep that just started? Those sets look strange and they add every usable choose, but it sure works in their metagame.
 
Set 7:
Name: Future Sight Calm Minder
Cress @ Lefties / Chesto
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def (or SA if Modest)/ 6 Speed
Bold / Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Safeguard
- Future Sight
- Moonlight / Rest

That set would work far better on Jirachi. Calm Mind+Doom Desire is an interesting prospect. The only problem is Blissey. On the other hand, Blissey seems like she's just asking to get set up on, and +6 Flash Cannon/Psychic should be able to do damage, especially with a sdef drop.
 
Misa said:
Some of these cresselia sets are really redundant though, especially the sets 6 and 10 imo.
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I'd say yeah, since Ho-Oh seems to have Giga Impact as an option which really shouldnt be one ( right ? )..

ima now lurking for more sets !
 
There is one thing noone has defined yet: What is a "foreign metagame"?
Anything ouside of smogon?
Anything that (usually) only applies to 1 country?
Anything out side of the US?

tbh, most of the ppl that posted here seem to think like the last one... and considering ours the "us" metagme is kinda insulting to ppl here from other countries (like me, I'm from Portugal).
 
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