Thank you so much for the reply! I'm sorry for not knowing the basics about the frontier and assuming I could use a mythical(what was I thinking lol). Also, I understand what you said about these being different metas, I just thought some sets at least could apply to both in some way? I like the coverage this set provides, and how hard it can hit. Thanks once again, I have now deleted my original post.
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I prefer thick fat because salamence tends to bait ice beam, unless I'm running a struggle snorlax that can back door curse+leftovers struggle, as immunity is absolutely crucial when you run out of pp.
I'm honestly so surprised that when you miss the roll it doesn't just random pick a move. Always very happy to be proven wrong!
Just as an aside, wouldn't this also make hasty CB pokemon very optimized especially if you want that extra speed on the nature to allow you to invest the EVs somewhere else? You have ~60% to choose attack @hp>=50% and 88% when you drop below. This plus having just 2 attacking moves means the chance to attack every turn is actually pretty high with a hasty mon if I'm interpreting this all correctly.
Hello everyone, long time lurker here. I have implemented Actaeon's FactoryAssistant which was previously unreleased.
If you just download the 2 files from this post, make sure they are in the same directory and that you convert the txt to a csv file. You can also clone the GitHub repo for it here: https://github.com/LapsusIcarus/BattleFactoryAssistant
This version includes:
1. Level 50 and Open Level Support
2. Being able to start within any Round during any Battle.
3. Has support for No Man's Land (for technical people, this was really difficult to do since it is an O(n^3) operation to go through all team combinations and in No Man;'s Land with every possible set it becomes a nightmare).
4. Support for not knowing the exact set of you opponent - You can narrow down the opponent's possible sets based on moves or items you have seen.
5. Has support for Noland battles.
6. General Usability Improvements - doesn't error out if you mistype something, infers the set based on the species name on Rounds that only have a single set per Poke, etc.
Below is an example when you run
First it will ask for things concerning the format you are in, which Round, number of Swaps, etc. Then based on the preferred type, battle style of the trainer, and your starting draft (or current team if you start midway through a Round), the probabilities of the opponent's Pokemon.
(I have included purposeful wrong/invalid inputs to show functionality)
Next it will ask which draft Pokemon you chose, and will calculate the remaining Pokemon based on the opponent's first Poke.
As you can observe, since the opponent's favorite type is Water and the battle style is "Free-spirited and Unrestrained" there are only 8 possible Pokemon in the third slot after taking into account Item Clause as well.
I hope everyone is able to use this like I did to finally earn my Factory Gold Symbol. I have currenlty beaten 4/7 of the factilities, and will do a post once I have all 7 Gold Symbols.
If you just download the 2 files from this post, make sure they are in the same directory and that you convert the txt to a csv file. You can also clone the GitHub repo for it here: https://github.com/LapsusIcarus/BattleFactoryAssistant
This version includes:
1. Level 50 and Open Level Support
2. Being able to start within any Round during any Battle.
3. Has support for No Man's Land (for technical people, this was really difficult to do since it is an O(n^3) operation to go through all team combinations and in No Man;'s Land with every possible set it becomes a nightmare).
4. Support for not knowing the exact set of you opponent - You can narrow down the opponent's possible sets based on moves or items you have seen.
5. Has support for Noland battles.
6. General Usability Improvements - doesn't error out if you mistype something, infers the set based on the species name on Rounds that only have a single set per Poke, etc.
Below is an example when you run
python3 BattleFactoryAssistant.py in your CLI.First it will ask for things concerning the format you are in, which Round, number of Swaps, etc. Then based on the preferred type, battle style of the trainer, and your starting draft (or current team if you start midway through a Round), the probabilities of the opponent's Pokemon.
(I have included purposeful wrong/invalid inputs to show functionality)
Code:
---- Welcome to the Battle Factory Assistant! ----
Are you playing Level 50 or Open Level? Enter 1 for Level 50 and 2 for Open Level.
1
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What round are you currently in?
4
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How many swaps do you have at the beginning of the Round?
10
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Your draft has 0 elevations with 15 IVs. The rest of the draft has 12 IVs.
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What battle are you currently on? Put '1' if this is the beginning of the round, or a number between '2' and 7' otherwise.
1
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Is opponent 1 skilled in any type? Otherwise, type 'n'.
Water
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Select the number for the opponent's favorite battle style:
0 : Free-spirited and unrestrained
1 : One based on total preparation
2 : Slow and steady
3 : One of endurance
4 : High risk, high return
5 : Weakening the foe to start
6 : Impossible to predict
7 : Depend on the battle's flow
8 : Flexibly adaptable to the situation
10
You must choose a valid Battle Style, a value between '0' and '8'.
0
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Please input your draft, with the Species name (ex.'Charizard') followed by [Enter].
Charizard
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Please enter the Species name of your next draft Pokemon followed by [Enter].
Rhydon
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Please enter the Species name of your next draft Pokemon followed by [Enter].
Lanturn
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Please enter the Species name of your next draft Pokemon followed by [Enter].
Golem
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Please enter the Species name of your next draft Pokemon followed by [Enter].
Latios
ERROR - Please type a legal Species name with the first letter capital and the rest lowercase.
Blissey
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Please enter the Species name of your next draft Pokemon followed by [Enter].
Electrode
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Calculating opposing team probabilites... (This can take a while in No Man's Land and Noland Battles)
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Jynx 1 0.2 Shell Bell Modest Ice Beam Fake Out Lovely Kiss Attract 101
Claydol 1 0.4 Lum Berry Adamant Earthquake Rock Slide Swagger Psych Up 81
Exeggutor 1 0.4 Quick Claw Quiet SolarBeam Sunny Day Synthesis Light Screen 54
Ampharos 1 0.5 Magnet Relaxed Thunder Rain Dance Thunder Wave Attract 54
Misdreavus 1 0.5 Focus Band Impish Pain Split Shadow Ball Confuse Ray Thunder Wave 91
Dusclops 1 0.5 Leftovers Impish Will-O-Wisp Seismic Toss Pain Split Confuse Ray 31
Meganium 1 0.6 BrightPowder Modest SolarBeam Sunny Day Light Screen Synthesis 86
Espeon 1 0.7 Lum Berry Modest Psychic Charm Calm Mind Baton Pass 137
Venusaur 1 0.7 Chesto Berry Quiet Giga Drain Sunny Day Synthesis Sleep Powder 77
Vileplume 1 0.8 Persim Berry Impish Sludge Bomb Petal Dance Moonlight Aromatherapy 56
Glalie 1 0.9 Petaya Berry Modest Ice Beam Crunch Hail Protect 86
Jolteon 1 0.9 Cheri Berry Modest Thunderbolt Thunder Wave Attract Protect 168
Metagross 1 0.9 Leftovers Adamant Meteor Mash Aerial Ace Facade Light Screen 97
Nidoqueen 1 1.0 Focus Band Adamant Sludge Bomb Double Kick Body Slam Counter 82
Ninetales 1 1.0 Rawst Berry Modest Flamethrower Roar Confuse Ray Will-O-Wisp 138
Snorlax 1 1.0 Leftovers Adamant Facade Shadow Ball Attract Double Team 36
Slaking 1 1.0 Scope Lens Adamant Yawn Bulk Up Swagger Aerial Ace 106
Flygon 1 1.0 BrightPowder Adamant Earthquake Steel Wing Faint Attack Facade 138
Tauros 1 1.1 Persim Berry Adamant Earthquake Thrash Swagger Facade 148
Typhlosion 1 1.1 Focus Band Modest Fire Blast Sunny Day SmokeScreen Roar 138
Donphan 1 1.2 Chesto Berry Adamant Earthquake AncientPower Swagger Rest 56
Medicham 1 1.2 Focus Band Docile Psychic Hi Jump Kick Calm Mind Baton Pass 118
Forretress 1 1.2 Focus Band Adamant Double-Edge Rock Slide Light Screen Spikes 46
Skarmory 1 1.2 Scope Lens Adamant Steel Wing Air Cutter Counter Agility 76
Houndoom 1 1.3 Focus Band Quirky Flamethrower Shadow Ball Counter Will-O-Wisp 122
Fearow 1 1.3 Sharp Beak Adamant Drill Peck Tri Attack Facade Mud-Slap 138
Xatu 1 1.3 Sharp Beak Hardy Drill Peck Night Shade Wish Future Sight 101
Blaziken 1 1.3 Quick Claw Docile Flamethrower Sunny Day Double Kick Roar 86
Alakazam 1 1.3 Focus Band Modest ThunderPunch Fire Punch Ice Punch Thunder Wave 126
Gardevoir 1 1.3 Leftovers Timid Dream Eater Hypnosis Magical Leaf Reflect 117
Sceptile 1 1.3 Leftovers Modest Leaf Blade Leech Seed Aerial Ace Detect 158
Mr. Mime 1 1.4 Leftovers Relaxed Psychic Magical Leaf Fake Out Reflect 86
Breloom 1 1.4 King's Rock Jolly Sky Uppercut Mach Punch Headbutt Counter 118
Victreebel 1 1.4 Sitrus Berry Quiet Giga Drain Sleep Powder Sweet Scent Synthesis 68
Cradily 1 1.4 Leftovers Relaxed Giga Drain Rock Slide Barrier Confuse Ray 44
Dugtrio 1 1.5 Soft Sand Adamant Earthquake Tri Attack Slash Sand Tomb 158
Marowak 1 1.5 Thick Club Adamant Bonemerang Rock Slide Icy Wind Headbutt 51
Steelix 1 1.5 Sitrus Berry Adamant Earthquake DragonBreath Rock Tomb Roar 36
Hariyama 1 1.5 Focus Band Adamant Cross Chop Rock Slide Counter Fake Out 56
Kangaskhan 1 1.5 Focus Band Adamant Dizzy Punch Brick Break Counter Fake Out 96
Scizor 1 1.5 Focus Band Adamant Metal Claw Aerial Ace Counter Quick Attack 71
Heracross 1 1.5 Focus Band Adamant Megahorn Brick Break Rock Tomb Counter 91
Ursaring 1 1.5 Quick Claw Docile Mega Kick Crunch Aerial Ace Counter 61
Machamp 1 1.5 Scope Lens Adamant Cross Chop Rock Slide Counter Scary Face 61
Hypno 1 1.6 TwistedSpoon Quiet ThunderPunch Fire Punch Ice Punch Hypnosis 65
Altaria 1 1.6 Cheri Berry Docile Dragon Claw Aerial Ace Refresh Body Slam 86
Dodrio 1 1.6 Chesto Berry Adamant Drill Peck Tri Attack Sleep Talk Rest 138
Porygon2 1 1.7 Leftovers Adamant Tri Attack Aerial Ace Shadow Ball Recover 66
Weezing 1 1.8 BrightPowder Adamant Sludge Bomb Will-O-Wisp Shadow Ball SmokeScreen 66
Crobat 1 1.8 King's Rock Quirky Sludge Bomb Bite Astonish Screech 136
Umbreon 1 1.8 BrightPowder Bold Confuse Ray Faint Attack Double Team Baton Pass 71
Shuckle 1 1.8 Chesto Berry Brave Rollout Defense Curl Sleep Talk Rest 9
Salamence 1 1.8 King's Rock Hardy Dragon Claw Aerial Ace Headbutt Rock Slide 138
Electabuzz 1 1.8 Cheri Berry Relaxed Thunderbolt Thunder Wave Brick Break Light Screen 99
Exploud 1 1.9 Chesto Berry Impish Hyper Voice Shadow Ball Sleep Talk Rest 74
Muk 1 1.9 Poison Barb Adamant Sludge Bomb Body Slam Screech Minimize 56
Raichu 1 2.0 BrightPowder Modest Thunderbolt Quick Attack Light Screen Double Team 127
Granbull 1 2.0 Cheri Berry Adamant Mega Kick SmellingSalt Thunder Wave Roar 51
Aerodactyl 1 2.1 King's Rock Adamant AncientPower DragonBreath Aerial Ace Roar 157
Armaldo 1 2.1 Scope Lens Adamant Slash Aerial Ace AncientPower Protect 51
Rapidash 1 2.1 Charcoal Quiet Flamethrower Double Kick Quick Attack Protect 128
Shiftry 1 2.1 Miracle Seed Quiet Giga Drain Faint Attack Quick Attack Fake Out 77
Magmar 1 2.2 Rawst Berry Relaxed Flamethrower SmokeScreen Brick Break Barrier 89
Manectric 1 2.3 Magnet Modest Thunderbolt Flash Quick Attack Roar 143
Flareon 1 2.3 Sitrus Berry Modest Flamethrower Roar Bite Sand-Attack 71
Aggron 1 2.3 Quick Claw Adamant Iron Tail Earthquake Aerial Ace Roar 56
Arcanine 1 2.3 King's Rock Adamant Flamethrower ExtremeSpeed Crunch Body Slam 133
Starmie 1 3.9 Shell Bell Modest Psychic Confuse Ray Thunder Wave Recover 121
Walrein 1 7.0 Leftovers Quiet Blizzard Hail Yawn Protect 63
Swampert 1 7.5 Lum Berry Adamant Earthquake Counter Rest Curse 66
Slowbro 1 8.2 Shell Bell Quiet Surf Rain Dance Headbutt Ice Punch 32
Milotic 1 8.8 Lum Berry Modest Hydro Pump Icy Wind Recover Mirror Coat 87
Ludicolo 1 9.4 Shell Bell Quiet Surf Rain Dance ThunderPunch Fire Punch 68
Feraligatr 1 9.8 Lum Berry Quiet Surf Rain Dance Aerial Ace Roar 75
Blastoise 1 10.5 Shell Bell Modest Hydro Pump Rain Dance Bite Seismic Toss 84
Gyarados 1 10.7 Lum Berry Careful Return Bite Thunder Wave Dragon Dance 87
Quagsire 1 11.1 Focus Band Adamant Earthquake Brick Break Counter Mud-Slap 41
Golduck 1 12.1 Shell Bell Quiet Hydro Pump Dig Brick Break Light Screen 81
Slowking 1 12.3 Leftovers Quiet Psychic Brick Break Amnesia Attract 32
Kingdra 1 12.3 Lum Berry Modest Hydro Pump DragonBreath Icy Wind Attract 91
Whiscash 1 14.0 Chesto Berry Adamant Earthquake Rock Slide Amnesia Rest 66
Wailord 1 14.2 Shell Bell Sassy Surf Icy Wind Body Slam Roar 59
Tentacruel 1 15.2 Persim Berry Impish Sludge Bomb Icy Wind Barrier Confuse Ray 106
Dewgong 1 19.4 NeverMeltIce Quiet Ice Beam Icy Wind Headbutt Fake Out 68
Vaporeon 1 20.7 Mystic Water Modest Surf Roar Bite Quick Attack 71
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There are 90 different sets, which constitute 2342 different teams.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Next it will ask which draft Pokemon you chose, and will calculate the remaining Pokemon based on the opponent's first Poke.
Code:
Here are the Pokemon from the draft:
1 Charizard 1 Focus Band Modest Fire Blast Sunny Day Roar Scary Face
2 Rhydon 1 Quick Claw Adamant Earthquake Rock Tomb Scary Face Brick Break
3 Lanturn 1 Cheri Berry Quiet Surf Confuse Ray Attract Thunder Wave
4 Golem 1 Quick Claw Adamant Earthquake Body Slam Counter Rock Tomb
5 Blissey 1 BrightPowder Bold Toxic Double Team Sing Softboiled
6 Electrode 1 Focus Band Quiet Thunderbolt Swift Light Screen Protect
Please input your team selection from the draft. Type the number for the Pokemon you want to use followed by [Enter]
1
8
Must select a Poke using values between 1 and 6.
5
2
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What Pokemon Species does the opponent lead with? (Only capitalize the first letter and don't include set numbers).
Milotic
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Possible sets:
Milotic 1 100.0 Lum Berry Modest Hydro Pump Icy Wind Recover Mirror Coat 87
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Jynx 1 0.5 Shell Bell Modest Ice Beam Fake Out Lovely Kiss Attract 101
Glalie 1 1.0 Petaya Berry Modest Ice Beam Crunch Hail Protect 86
Venusaur 1 1.0 Chesto Berry Quiet Giga Drain Sunny Day Synthesis Sleep Powder 77
Ampharos 1 1.2 Magnet Relaxed Thunder Rain Dance Thunder Wave Attract 54
Medicham 1 1.5 Focus Band Docile Psychic Hi Jump Kick Calm Mind Baton Pass 118
Mr. Mime 1 1.5 Leftovers Relaxed Psychic Magical Leaf Fake Out Reflect 86
Xatu 1 1.5 Sharp Beak Hardy Drill Peck Night Shade Wish Future Sight 101
Victreebel 1 1.5 Sitrus Berry Quiet Giga Drain Sleep Powder Sweet Scent Synthesis 68
Gardevoir 1 1.5 Leftovers Timid Dream Eater Hypnosis Magical Leaf Reflect 117
Jolteon 1 1.5 Cheri Berry Modest Thunderbolt Thunder Wave Attract Protect 168
Sceptile 1 1.5 Leftovers Modest Leaf Blade Leech Seed Aerial Ace Detect 158
Porygon2 1 1.7 Leftovers Adamant Tri Attack Aerial Ace Shadow Ball Recover 66
Dodrio 1 1.9 Chesto Berry Adamant Drill Peck Tri Attack Sleep Talk Rest 138
Raichu 1 1.9 BrightPowder Modest Thunderbolt Quick Attack Light Screen Double Team 127
Exploud 1 1.9 Chesto Berry Impish Hyper Voice Shadow Ball Sleep Talk Rest 74
Electabuzz 1 1.9 Cheri Berry Relaxed Thunderbolt Thunder Wave Brick Break Light Screen 99
Altaria 1 1.9 Cheri Berry Docile Dragon Claw Aerial Ace Refresh Body Slam 86
Cradily 1 1.9 Leftovers Relaxed Giga Drain Rock Slide Barrier Confuse Ray 44
Armaldo 1 1.9 Scope Lens Adamant Slash Aerial Ace AncientPower Protect 51
Rapidash 1 1.9 Charcoal Quiet Flamethrower Double Kick Quick Attack Protect 128
Donphan 1 1.9 Chesto Berry Adamant Earthquake AncientPower Swagger Rest 56
Ninetales 1 1.9 Rawst Berry Modest Flamethrower Roar Confuse Ray Will-O-Wisp 138
Shuckle 1 1.9 Chesto Berry Brave Rollout Defense Curl Sleep Talk Rest 9
Umbreon 1 1.9 BrightPowder Bold Confuse Ray Faint Attack Double Team Baton Pass 71
Blaziken 1 1.9 Quick Claw Docile Flamethrower Sunny Day Double Kick Roar 86
Typhlosion 1 1.9 Focus Band Modest Fire Blast Sunny Day SmokeScreen Roar 138
Slaking 1 1.9 Scope Lens Adamant Yawn Bulk Up Swagger Aerial Ace 106
Hypno 1 2.2 TwistedSpoon Quiet ThunderPunch Fire Punch Ice Punch Hypnosis 65
Alakazam 1 2.2 Focus Band Modest ThunderPunch Fire Punch Ice Punch Thunder Wave 126
Weezing 1 2.4 BrightPowder Adamant Sludge Bomb Will-O-Wisp Shadow Ball SmokeScreen 66
Dugtrio 1 2.7 Soft Sand Adamant Earthquake Tri Attack Slash Sand Tomb 158
Granbull 1 2.7 Cheri Berry Adamant Mega Kick SmellingSalt Thunder Wave Roar 51
Marowak 1 2.7 Thick Club Adamant Bonemerang Rock Slide Icy Wind Headbutt 51
Shiftry 1 2.7 Miracle Seed Quiet Giga Drain Faint Attack Quick Attack Fake Out 77
Muk 1 2.7 Poison Barb Adamant Sludge Bomb Body Slam Screech Minimize 56
Steelix 1 2.7 Sitrus Berry Adamant Earthquake DragonBreath Rock Tomb Roar 36
Crobat 1 2.7 King's Rock Quirky Sludge Bomb Bite Astonish Screech 136
Manectric 1 2.9 Magnet Modest Thunderbolt Flash Quick Attack Roar 143
Magmar 1 2.9 Rawst Berry Relaxed Flamethrower SmokeScreen Brick Break Barrier 89
Aerodactyl 1 2.9 King's Rock Adamant AncientPower DragonBreath Aerial Ace Roar 157
Flareon 1 2.9 Sitrus Berry Modest Flamethrower Roar Bite Sand-Attack 71
Aggron 1 2.9 Quick Claw Adamant Iron Tail Earthquake Aerial Ace Roar 56
Arcanine 1 2.9 King's Rock Adamant Flamethrower ExtremeSpeed Crunch Body Slam 133
Salamence 1 2.9 King's Rock Hardy Dragon Claw Aerial Ace Headbutt Rock Slide 138
Starmie 1 4.1 Shell Bell Modest Psychic Confuse Ray Thunder Wave Recover 121
Walrein 1 5.1 Leftovers Quiet Blizzard Hail Yawn Protect 63
Golduck 1 6.5 Shell Bell Quiet Hydro Pump Dig Brick Break Light Screen 81
Whiscash 1 7.0 Chesto Berry Adamant Earthquake Rock Slide Amnesia Rest 66
Slowbro 1 9.0 Shell Bell Quiet Surf Rain Dance Headbutt Ice Punch 32
Ludicolo 1 9.4 Shell Bell Quiet Surf Rain Dance ThunderPunch Fire Punch 68
Slowking 1 9.4 Leftovers Quiet Psychic Brick Break Amnesia Attract 32
Blastoise 1 10.4 Shell Bell Modest Hydro Pump Rain Dance Bite Seismic Toss 84
Tentacruel 1 10.7 Persim Berry Impish Sludge Bomb Icy Wind Barrier Confuse Ray 106
Wailord 1 11.9 Shell Bell Sassy Surf Icy Wind Body Slam Roar 59
Dewgong 1 12.8 NeverMeltIce Quiet Ice Beam Icy Wind Headbutt Fake Out 68
Vaporeon 1 13.3 Mystic Water Modest Surf Roar Bite Quick Attack 71
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There are 90 different sets, which constitute 68 different teams.
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Please enter another Pokemon Species you have seen. (Only capitalize the first letter).
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Ninetales
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Possible sets:
Ninetales 1 100.0 Rawst Berry Modest Flamethrower Roar Confuse Ray Will-O-Wisp 138
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Golduck 1 12.5 Shell Bell Quiet Hydro Pump Dig Brick Break Light Screen 81
Whiscash 1 12.5 Chesto Berry Adamant Earthquake Rock Slide Amnesia Rest 66
Slowbro 1 12.5 Shell Bell Quiet Surf Rain Dance Headbutt Ice Punch 32
Ludicolo 1 12.5 Shell Bell Quiet Surf Rain Dance ThunderPunch Fire Punch 68
Blastoise 1 12.5 Shell Bell Modest Hydro Pump Rain Dance Bite Seismic Toss 84
Wailord 1 12.5 Shell Bell Sassy Surf Icy Wind Body Slam Roar 59
Dewgong 1 12.5 NeverMeltIce Quiet Ice Beam Icy Wind Headbutt Fake Out 68
Vaporeon 1 12.5 Mystic Water Modest Surf Roar Bite Quick Attack 71
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Please enter the last Pokemon's Species name. (Only capitalize the first letter).
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------As you can observe, since the opponent's favorite type is Water and the battle style is "Free-spirited and Unrestrained" there are only 8 possible Pokemon in the third slot after taking into account Item Clause as well.
I hope everyone is able to use this like I did to finally earn my Factory Gold Symbol. I have currenlty beaten 4/7 of the factilities, and will do a post once I have all 7 Gold Symbols.
For what it’s worth, we recently confirmed that opponent team generation does not sample unifromly from the space of legal teams (as Act’s earlier scripts generally assume), but rejection-sampled at each team slot to satisfy (in the case of gen 3 Factory in particular):
The main upshot is that because the gen 3 item pool is actually pretty constrained and you get so many known exclusions in Factory, the dimensionality of the problem isn’t nearly as bad as it looks at first glance if you implement the constraints (protip: even 510^3 is only ~130M its, which isn’t that big of a number, it’s about the same scale as doing a single tower doubles generic and you can get it down to <1-2sish in JS in a phone browser).
The team information provided, on the other hand, is determined by inspecting the generated team afterward, so it is a strict filter-and-renormalize. This makes it semirequired to do a second pass over your computed probs if you want to use this information for dimensionality reduction. On a related note, a thing that does blow up your computational demands is trying to compute “accurate” probs in the presence of draft uncertainty… you can use a similar proprocess-renorm strategy here too, though designing that UI would be uhhhh interesting.
Bonus wrinkle: in normal play, lead(s) and backup(s) positions are distinguishable from each other but nearly interchangeable within-class. This maybe has useful implications in singles, where the distinguished class of leads is also the one that’s least skewed by unknown random rolls? I didn’t think this one through that much.
- (this never actually happens in Factory: reject OL-only sets in L50)
- for drafts: species+item clauses at the draft level
- for ordinary opponents: no species overlap with the draft (either initial or current trainer party+previous opponent team), also species+item clauses at the team level
- for Noland: species+item clauses at the team level (only)
The main upshot is that because the gen 3 item pool is actually pretty constrained and you get so many known exclusions in Factory, the dimensionality of the problem isn’t nearly as bad as it looks at first glance if you implement the constraints (protip: even 510^3 is only ~130M its, which isn’t that big of a number, it’s about the same scale as doing a single tower doubles generic and you can get it down to <1-2sish in JS in a phone browser).
The team information provided, on the other hand, is determined by inspecting the generated team afterward, so it is a strict filter-and-renormalize. This makes it semirequired to do a second pass over your computed probs if you want to use this information for dimensionality reduction. On a related note, a thing that does blow up your computational demands is trying to compute “accurate” probs in the presence of draft uncertainty… you can use a similar proprocess-renorm strategy here too, though designing that UI would be uhhhh interesting.
Bonus wrinkle: in normal play, lead(s) and backup(s) positions are distinguishable from each other but nearly interchangeable within-class. This maybe has useful implications in singles, where the distinguished class of leads is also the one that’s least skewed by unknown random rolls? I didn’t think this one through that much.
So I looked into this a bit when thinking about changes to the Battle Factory Buddy (a post on that is imminent). You're fundamentally right, but I think you're maybe overselling the issue a bit.
I've got some code that gens teams in the same way the code does (and as you've described in your last post). I genned 20,000,000 teams and looked for how common Marowak was in slot 1, 2 or 3 of the opposing team. While there's a bit more combinatorics to it, team uniformity is pretty closely tied with pokemon uniformity over the 3 team slots. I chose Marowak as the worst case for this as all of its sets hold a unique item that no other set holds (barring each other), and there's only 4 of them so it's less likely to be picked in the first slot.
The chances of it appearing in slot 2 or 3 appear to be about 10% higher than it appearing in slot 1. In practice, in most cases the potential mons left don't break over about a 5% chance. Is anyone going to play much differently whether there's a 5% chance for Wak to come in or a 5.5% chance? Similarly Rhydon is pathological in the other case with all sets having Quick Claw, it drops off by about 5% into slots 2 and 3.
Picking another couple of random examples, Lapras and zard are pretty uniform across the different slots. Lapras tails off about 3-4% into slots 2 and 3, Zard is pretty much flat.
I've decided that for the Buddy, that slight inaccuracy is worth the tradeoff of having a more responsive app given trucking through 1.4 million precalc'd teams already takes about 6-8s on my reasonably spec'd out PC.
Code I used for simulation here: https://github.com/DaveGlorbus/Batt...mity/BattleFactoryBuddy/TeamUniformityCalc.py
I've got some code that gens teams in the same way the code does (and as you've described in your last post). I genned 20,000,000 teams and looked for how common Marowak was in slot 1, 2 or 3 of the opposing team. While there's a bit more combinatorics to it, team uniformity is pretty closely tied with pokemon uniformity over the 3 team slots. I chose Marowak as the worst case for this as all of its sets hold a unique item that no other set holds (barring each other), and there's only 4 of them so it's less likely to be picked in the first slot.
The chances of it appearing in slot 2 or 3 appear to be about 10% higher than it appearing in slot 1. In practice, in most cases the potential mons left don't break over about a 5% chance. Is anyone going to play much differently whether there's a 5% chance for Wak to come in or a 5.5% chance? Similarly Rhydon is pathological in the other case with all sets having Quick Claw, it drops off by about 5% into slots 2 and 3.
Picking another couple of random examples, Lapras and zard are pretty uniform across the different slots. Lapras tails off about 3-4% into slots 2 and 3, Zard is pretty much flat.
I've decided that for the Buddy, that slight inaccuracy is worth the tradeoff of having a more responsive app given trucking through 1.4 million precalc'd teams already takes about 6-8s on my reasonably spec'd out PC.
Code I used for simulation here: https://github.com/DaveGlorbus/Batt...mity/BattleFactoryBuddy/TeamUniformityCalc.py
Hi folks!
Thanks to everybody who has used and given me feedback on the buddy in the last 8 months!
As a reminder it's (very similar to the assistant) a tool for crunching through logic for the Emerald Factory. Through a web GUI you put in info such as your team, the round you're on, the pokemon and moves you've seen etc. and the buddy lets you know what sets you could be facing, now and later in the battle.
Since first posting here I've refined it a bunch and added loads of features, such as working out speed tiers, handling logic for how the AI switches in pokemon, to provide a more classic experience still showing the styles of the moves etc.
Sadly, the hosted version of the Buddy is coming to an end. However, I've pretty much rewritten it from scratch and released it as an Open Source project! Anyone interested in using it can install python, download and extract a zip file of the repo, double click on a setup utility and have their own version of the buddy in the browser. You can find it all here https://github.com/DaveGlorbus/BattleFactoryBuddy/tree/main
I hope to be able to bring back a hosted version in the future, so watch this space. In the meantime, please reach out to me here or on discord if you have any questions or suggestions.
Thanks!
Edit: Seems I forgot to add the picture actually showing the Buddy in action!
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Reporting a streak of 19 at the Lvl. 50 Battle Dome Singles. Did not record during that time as I was still experimenting with teams. I did manage to record my current run which is still ongoing, at 12 tourneys. Feel free to reach out to me to confirm its legitimacy. I have attached a video of my current run.
Big cheers for the tip! I did not know this.
Hello there, i couldn't really find a conclusive answer online so i'll just ask here, what is the best nature for slaking, adamant or jolly?
For the Frontier, Adamant without a doubt. Max speed Adamant Slaking hits 299 Speed which outruns all but about 55 Pokemon and ties with a lot of others. Jolly gets you to 328 Speed which pushes you ahead of about 20 more, but you fall one point short of 329 which is a fairly wide tier and many of the Pokemon you outspeed just aren't worth giving up the extra power you'd sacrifice to do so.
Generally Slaking is bulky enough that it's not threatened too much by stuff it can't outspeed. It can survive several hits from quite a lot of opponents, even on its weaker special side - particularly since Pokemon with high speed do not have particularly high offensive power (Dugtrio, Ninjask, Crobat) and even the slightly more powerful foes (Jolteon, Raikou, Sceptile, Aerodactyl, Starmie) are ones from whom Slaking can generally survive a hit and OHKO back. I've used Slaking a lot and often it can 3-0 the opponent's team just by taking the Truant turn and eating whatever opponent #2 and #3 throw at it after it gets a quick KO on the first turn.
That's not to say there aren't some threatening opponents who outspeed. Tauros, Gengar, Espeon, Starmie, Raikou, Jolteon, and Ninjask can all be problematic in different ways. But it's not worth going Jolly just to outspeed a couple of them.
I'm pre-planning for the Battle Palace, and I'm basically going to use potatobagel's level 100 team, outlined here. I got the idea because I caught a Latios recently, with a Hasty Nature. However, the IVs aren't so good. The question I'm going to ask (primarily to people that got at least one Gold Symbol) is: would you use this? Do you think it's just good enough?
IVs: 17/9/30/9/10/5
EVs: 4 HP/252 SpA/8 SpD/244 Spe
Lv. 100 Stats: 288/194/175/337/237/320
The idea behind the EVs is to max out SpA, get HP divisible by 4 for leftovers, outspeed Gengars 2-5, and the rest went in SpD. Notably, I still can't outspeed Starmie 3 + 4, Aerodactyl 1 + 2, Dugtrio, and Sceptile 4. But...I still have 2 other teammates.
Follow-up question:
My only other option now would be to inject the Southern Island event. This would allow me to easily do Method 1 RNG for a Latias, which I could use instead. I can get that nice 340 Speed stat and trade power for bulk....that good enough for the Palace?
IVs: 17/9/30/9/10/5
EVs: 4 HP/252 SpA/8 SpD/244 Spe
Lv. 100 Stats: 288/194/175/337/237/320
The idea behind the EVs is to max out SpA, get HP divisible by 4 for leftovers, outspeed Gengars 2-5, and the rest went in SpD. Notably, I still can't outspeed Starmie 3 + 4, Aerodactyl 1 + 2, Dugtrio, and Sceptile 4. But...I still have 2 other teammates.
Follow-up question:
My only other option now would be to inject the Southern Island event. This would allow me to easily do Method 1 RNG for a Latias, which I could use instead. I can get that nice 340 Speed stat and trade power for bulk....that good enough for the Palace?
I am posting my Battle Factory Level 50 Singles personal best. I scored a 50 win streak. I played on the mGBA emulator.
This was my first time achieving the Gold Symbol. I was really happy. c:
My match against Noland2:
This was my first time achieving the Gold Symbol. I was really happy. c:
My match against Noland2:
One method to decide on using a worse legendary is to compare it to a non legendary pokemon. For latios compare it to like a starmie with like 31/31/15/15/15/31
The real method though is to use the 1 vs all calc and check if your latios still 2 shots most threats like water pokemon with OHKOs and one shots salamence/dragonite https://turskain.github.io/
Note that the full IV battles start at battle 49 and gold in the palace is only battle 42.
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Thanks! I never tried that 1 vs. all feature, that's great stuff.
I did the calcs (using the right IV tiers). I miss the 2HKO on Walrein 3+4 and Lapras 7+8 only if their IV tier is 18 or more. So Latios should be just good enough to get to Gold, then I can switch it to a Timid Latias with Calm Mind + 3 attacks.
(Or I could save myself the trouble and just train Latias.....lol. Great resource nonetheless).
Hi folks.
Here to report a new PB in Factory Open Level Singles of 94 (on mGBA emulator). My previous PB was 62 so this was a fairly chunky improvement!
I recorded from round 6 onwards and streamed the last 2.5 rounds on my Twitch. You can find VODs in this playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGqwWPRvANuqUgVFqQkhb_eq6Dnv4jrVc&si=rMrUhGKoaYuJiylB
I'll pull out some high / lowlights as I don't expect most people to watch any of that:
On the losing battle my opponent led with a Latias, which should be food for Lax-1. On the switch-in Lax gets frozen by an ice beam and Latias-2 proceeds to slowly chip it while I try to thaw. When Lax gets to around half I decide I need to swtich back to my Lati and trade a bunch of HP for to take this thing out. I do that and then in comes TTar. It's not a terrible matchup for Latios-3 but it is when I'm at low health and can't EQ it a few times and my other two mons have terrible matchups into pretty much all TTar sets. It kills Lati, Aero fails to flinch it and, despite attempting to do some amazing evasion scam, Lax (with sand cancelling out lefties) can't get over the line and the run ends.
I fundamentally think I had the wrong team at that point. Aero just wasn't doing enough on the team and I probably should have dumped my Heracross-4 matchup and just take Quag-3 as a STAB EQ and general body in the draft or made a swap on one of the earlier battles.
In any case, I'm pleased with the run. I really wanted to get past 100, but I can't say with good conscience that I earnt it this time around. Ah well, there's always next time...
Here to report a new PB in Factory Open Level Singles of 94 (on mGBA emulator). My previous PB was 62 so this was a fairly chunky improvement!
I recorded from round 6 onwards and streamed the last 2.5 rounds on my Twitch. You can find VODs in this playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGqwWPRvANuqUgVFqQkhb_eq6Dnv4jrVc&si=rMrUhGKoaYuJiylB
I'll pull out some high / lowlights as I don't expect most people to watch any of that:
- Really crazy drafts for the first few rounds of smart AI. (Unrecorded) Round 5 was Gengar / Latios / Dbond Garde, Round 6 was Metagross / Gengar / Starmie, Round 8 was Ttar / Dbond Garde / Metagross, Round 9 was Latios-1, Heracross-3 and I swapped into Snorlax-2 for probably my factory dream team.
- I did my best to punt my PB at Noland 3, where I failed to calc that EQ didn't kill Raikou and 1HP reversal did - luckily Lax got it done.
- I also made a horrendous misplay in round 12 against a Quagsire, I was so sure that the only Curse set was the one with only Ancient Power that I sacrificed my Entei to an unecessary earthquake and then managed to claw my way back into it.
On the losing battle my opponent led with a Latias, which should be food for Lax-1. On the switch-in Lax gets frozen by an ice beam and Latias-2 proceeds to slowly chip it while I try to thaw. When Lax gets to around half I decide I need to swtich back to my Lati and trade a bunch of HP for to take this thing out. I do that and then in comes TTar. It's not a terrible matchup for Latios-3 but it is when I'm at low health and can't EQ it a few times and my other two mons have terrible matchups into pretty much all TTar sets. It kills Lati, Aero fails to flinch it and, despite attempting to do some amazing evasion scam, Lax (with sand cancelling out lefties) can't get over the line and the run ends.
I fundamentally think I had the wrong team at that point. Aero just wasn't doing enough on the team and I probably should have dumped my Heracross-4 matchup and just take Quag-3 as a STAB EQ and general body in the draft or made a swap on one of the earlier battles.
In any case, I'm pleased with the run. I really wanted to get past 100, but I can't say with good conscience that I earnt it this time around. Ah well, there's always next time...
Hi All! I just hit 301 win record on retail in battle tower doubles, I used a team I had found on here with a 252 record in 50’s I believe. It was Latios, swampert, metagross and Moltres. However, I put in my own flare and ran my shiny Zard with 66pwr hp grass. None of my mons have perfect stats like the aforementioned team, but the move sets and most other things remain relatively the same. OP opted for less chance/variance using HP steel on metagross but I used meteor mash, OP used HP rock on swampert but i went for rock slide, finally I used charizard’s heat wave over Moltres flamethrower. All honesty I did get misses, but the battle tower teams power levels were so much lower that it never really costed me much very often. There was one instance in the 100’s where I went against a lead meta & tar where meta exploded and took out lati & swampert, but I never ran into that team again since I started my run again. That all said, I feel the power level has remained stagnant and I without coming off as overconfident, I don’t see myself losing… it is a finely crafted team and big kudos to the OP that theorized it, I’m so glad Zard was such an easy plug and play even if a bit less bulky. Idk, just wanted to share because I’ve been having a blast farming BP with this team!
Edit: waffles101 was the person who crafted the team! Thanks again!
Edit: waffles101 was the person who crafted the team! Thanks again!
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I'm thinking of using a Linoone for the Battle Pyramid (as the team's Thief). I saw a moveset for it consisting of Return, Covet, Surf, and Thunderbolt. What Nature and EVs should I get for Linoone? This team will also have a Blissey, by the way.
Plus speed nature and 156 speed evs to outspeed other base 100's. But what you need to do is take the list of wild pokemon and figure out which ones linoone can one shot and adjust linoones moves each round so you can actually grind wild pokemon for pickup items with linoone. Protect to further scout which set you are facing might be another way to make linoone useful.
Though really I think it's a lost cause and linoone should just have something like toxic so your blissey can have another move. The pyramid really relies on sweepers so I really think it makes more sense to have either linoone for the extra hyper potions or blissey for softboiled as the sweepers can save you a lot of pp in 1v1s and are a lot less risky when you have access to revives. But Linoone+blissey+sweeper will definitely still be very strong and probably won't lose. I would just make sure my sweeper has something like aerial ace to avoid losing a lot of pp to double team users.
I'd like to submit a completed 145 battle Emerald Battle Tower streak for Open Level Singles (level 100) on cartrige. I've been working on this team and streak for a while and I'm pretty happy to have made it as far as I did. I was originally just trying to hit 100, but I ended up taking it quite a bit further.
The biggest threats for the team are fast Fire types, namely the ones that can outspeed Heracross (HERC's speed is 293, so that would be some variants of Charizard, Entei, Ninetales, and Typhlosion), because if they appear after Latios is gone, it's over. My first streak with this team ended at 77 when Typhlosion 1 got a crit with Fire Blast and took out Latios while I was Calm Minding and proceeded to outspeed and OHKO Heracross and Steelix.
Starmie 3 (the only variant with both Psychic and Surf) is pretty much an instant loss if it appears after Latios is gone. It's capable of outspeeding and destroying Heracross and Steelix with its STABs.
Metagross usually isn't particularly threatening, but Metagross 3 can be dangerous thanks to Double Team and Rest. The two times I encountered it I had to PP stall Earthquake and Meteor Mash by switching between Steelix and Latios, and the first time I came close to losing because it got two Attack boosts from Meteor Mash and it did surprisingly a lot of damage to Steelix with Struggle. I just landed two Earthquakes out of pure luck before it could take me down.
Lead Jynx 1 and 4 are also threats because they can survive two Dragon Claws from Latios and pack a nasty Ice Beam, meaning they win the 1v1, and nobody else on the team really wants to hard switch into a strong STAB Ice Beam. Fortunately they are outsped by Heracross who can either KO with Megahorn or finish them off with Brick Break if Latios has done enough damage.
The loss was 100% avoidable, I was playing while cooking dinner and got cocky. I Calm Minded on Slowking 2 and lost my Lum Berry to Thunder Wave, then took out Slowking with Thunderbolt. Gardevoir came in and handily survived Dragon Claw, retaliating with Shadow Ball. I should have checked the max stats database, because I would have seen that Gardevoir with Shadow Ball can't threaten Steelix and packs Destiny Bond, but I wasn't giving it my full attention and let Latios go down to another Shadow Ball after failing to KO Gardevoir with the second Dragon Claw. Steelix came in and I went for the revenge with Earthquake. If I had even bothered to scout with Protect I would have seen the Destiny Bond, but alas I did not and she went for it and took down Steelix. As soon as I saw Starmie come out with only Heracross left I knew I was in trouble, as there are four variants with Psychic, two of which outspeed Heracross, and of course this was one of them. It outsped and OHKOd me with a crit Psychic and ended my streak at 145 wins.
I have nothing but respect for the esoteric strategies used by the legendary high-scorers here, but I prefer more offensive teams, so I wanted to come up with a team that could move through battles at a relatively quick pace.
CONCORDE (Latios) (M) @ Lum Berry
EVs: 42 HP / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
Ability: Levitate
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Claw
I don't think this Latios needs any introduction, I essentially copied Werster's and Kommo-o's set. Speed EVs are to outpace the 339 crowd without wasting any and dumping the spares in HP. CM Latios is a beast with great offensive coverage and Levitate pairs really well with Steelix's Ground weakness. This kid solo'd probably over half the battles in this streak. I had a copy of Ruby I wasn't using, so I decided to take the time to exploit the Battle Tower glitch to get a perfect IV Latios and I'm glad I did.
HERC (Heracross) (M) @ Choice Band
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Ability: Guts
Jolly Nature
- Megahorn
- Brick Break
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
I got the idea to use a Heracross from a particularly fun round in the Battle Factory and he did not disappoint. Nothing original here, just the standard Jolly Band set. The sheer power of Banded Heracross neutralizes many otherwise threatening Pokemon, but he saw the least action on the team (by far). I couldn't be bothered trying to RNG so I just bred for decent IVs. Ended up going with 28 Atk / 29 Spe. You really don't want your Speed IV to be lower than 26 - that ensures you outspeed all variants of Arcanine, Magmar, Moltres, and Houndoom.
EDELSTAHL (Steelix) (F) @ Leftovers
EVs: 136 HP / 252 Atk / 120 SpD
Ability: Sturdy
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Toxic
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail
Steelix was my physically defensive backbone. The sheer number of Pokemon that couldn't get past this Steelix was astonishing. Lots of physical attackers are unable to do significantly more than Leftovers damage after a Protect, and with STAB Earthquake she has more of an offensive presence than Skarmory. I took the spread from Kommo-o's GoldDigger Steelix but made mine more stall-ish by replacing Explosion with Toxic and swapping CB for Leftovers. Also Iron Tail over Hidden Power Steel since, again, I didn't want to try RNGing. Fortunately 90% of the time she's just using EQ or Toxic anyway. I bred for decent IVs and went for an Adamant one, but maybe Impish with a different spread would be better for my strategy. Either way, I'm really happy with this Steelix.
CONCORDE (Latios) (M) @ Lum Berry
EVs: 42 HP / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
Ability: Levitate
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Claw
I don't think this Latios needs any introduction, I essentially copied Werster's and Kommo-o's set. Speed EVs are to outpace the 339 crowd without wasting any and dumping the spares in HP. CM Latios is a beast with great offensive coverage and Levitate pairs really well with Steelix's Ground weakness. This kid solo'd probably over half the battles in this streak. I had a copy of Ruby I wasn't using, so I decided to take the time to exploit the Battle Tower glitch to get a perfect IV Latios and I'm glad I did.
HERC (Heracross) (M) @ Choice Band
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Ability: Guts
Jolly Nature
- Megahorn
- Brick Break
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
I got the idea to use a Heracross from a particularly fun round in the Battle Factory and he did not disappoint. Nothing original here, just the standard Jolly Band set. The sheer power of Banded Heracross neutralizes many otherwise threatening Pokemon, but he saw the least action on the team (by far). I couldn't be bothered trying to RNG so I just bred for decent IVs. Ended up going with 28 Atk / 29 Spe. You really don't want your Speed IV to be lower than 26 - that ensures you outspeed all variants of Arcanine, Magmar, Moltres, and Houndoom.
EDELSTAHL (Steelix) (F) @ Leftovers
EVs: 136 HP / 252 Atk / 120 SpD
Ability: Sturdy
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Toxic
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail
Steelix was my physically defensive backbone. The sheer number of Pokemon that couldn't get past this Steelix was astonishing. Lots of physical attackers are unable to do significantly more than Leftovers damage after a Protect, and with STAB Earthquake she has more of an offensive presence than Skarmory. I took the spread from Kommo-o's GoldDigger Steelix but made mine more stall-ish by replacing Explosion with Toxic and swapping CB for Leftovers. Also Iron Tail over Hidden Power Steel since, again, I didn't want to try RNGing. Fortunately 90% of the time she's just using EQ or Toxic anyway. I bred for decent IVs and went for an Adamant one, but maybe Impish with a different spread would be better for my strategy. Either way, I'm really happy with this Steelix.
Strategy is really simple. Either go ham with Latios or switch to Steelix on certain threats. If Latios can safely go to +1 or +2 on the first Pokemon, the game is basically over in most cases. Strong physical threats that Latios doesn't like, such as Metagross or Rhydon, can be easily played around by switching to Steelix. Thanks to Levitate there is no risk of coming in on an Earthquake and Steelix can scout with Protect and then if necessary I can alternate between Steelix and Latios to drain Earthquake's PP before removing the threat with Steelix. Metagross and Forretress are also known to go for the turn 1 Explosion, so a switch to Steelix is necessary to avoid losing Latios too early. Heracross is there for revenge killing and rarely to come in on a predicted low power move he can survive. Brick Break is very handy for Normal types, but I really wish Heracross learned Aerial Ace to help with the Double Team spam - I only used Rock Slide twice in the entire run. This team is very susceptible to crits and haxy items, so I think it was partially just luck I made it as far as I did. I had minimal interference from hax and pretty good luck with Megahorn and Iron Tail. It took me four or five tries to get past 100 wins with this team, but I just had a feeling that it could go the distance.
The biggest threats for the team are fast Fire types, namely the ones that can outspeed Heracross (HERC's speed is 293, so that would be some variants of Charizard, Entei, Ninetales, and Typhlosion), because if they appear after Latios is gone, it's over. My first streak with this team ended at 77 when Typhlosion 1 got a crit with Fire Blast and took out Latios while I was Calm Minding and proceeded to outspeed and OHKO Heracross and Steelix.
Starmie 3 (the only variant with both Psychic and Surf) is pretty much an instant loss if it appears after Latios is gone. It's capable of outspeeding and destroying Heracross and Steelix with its STABs.
Metagross usually isn't particularly threatening, but Metagross 3 can be dangerous thanks to Double Team and Rest. The two times I encountered it I had to PP stall Earthquake and Meteor Mash by switching between Steelix and Latios, and the first time I came close to losing because it got two Attack boosts from Meteor Mash and it did surprisingly a lot of damage to Steelix with Struggle. I just landed two Earthquakes out of pure luck before it could take me down.
Lead Jynx 1 and 4 are also threats because they can survive two Dragon Claws from Latios and pack a nasty Ice Beam, meaning they win the 1v1, and nobody else on the team really wants to hard switch into a strong STAB Ice Beam. Fortunately they are outsped by Heracross who can either KO with Megahorn or finish them off with Brick Break if Latios has done enough damage.
The loss was 100% avoidable, I was playing while cooking dinner and got cocky. I Calm Minded on Slowking 2 and lost my Lum Berry to Thunder Wave, then took out Slowking with Thunderbolt. Gardevoir came in and handily survived Dragon Claw, retaliating with Shadow Ball. I should have checked the max stats database, because I would have seen that Gardevoir with Shadow Ball can't threaten Steelix and packs Destiny Bond, but I wasn't giving it my full attention and let Latios go down to another Shadow Ball after failing to KO Gardevoir with the second Dragon Claw. Steelix came in and I went for the revenge with Earthquake. If I had even bothered to scout with Protect I would have seen the Destiny Bond, but alas I did not and she went for it and took down Steelix. As soon as I saw Starmie come out with only Heracross left I knew I was in trouble, as there are four variants with Psychic, two of which outspeed Heracross, and of course this was one of them. It outsped and OHKOd me with a crit Psychic and ended my streak at 145 wins.
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Hey, all! I've been lurking in this thread for a while as I've been working on getting all the gold symbols, and I'm happy to report a couple streaks on retail. I only have a general idea of my Pokemon's IVs (I just bred until I got a correct-natured baby with "quite impressive" stats or better), so I've just listed EVs and actual stats for each one.
Stats: 177 HP, 116 Attack, 80 Defense, 191 Sp. Attack, 117 Sp. Defense, 191 Speed
Ability: Early Bird
Nature: Timid
Sunny Day, Flamethrower, Solar Beam, Crunch
Stats: 214 HP, 96 Attack, 117 Defense, 181 Sp. Attack, 141 Sp. Defense, 76 Speed
Ability: Chlorophyll
Nature: Modest
Sunny Day, Solar Beam, Moonlight, Sludge Bomb
Stats: 243 HP, 154 Attack, 131 Defense, 112 Sp. Attack, 173 Sp. Defense, 79 Speed
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Careful
Curse, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Return
Funnily enough, even though Swampert was my most reliable team member, I left her behind for the gold symbol battle. Tucker brought Latios and Swampert, which I beat with Houndoom and Bellossom, respectively. I don't remember all the details of my loss, but it was in the final battle of my 13th round. I think I lost Swampert to a critical hit Cross Chop from a Machamp and couldn't recover after that. Frustratingly, the other Pokemon was either Aggron or Metagross, both of which Swampert could've taken down easily!
Stats: 202 HP, 118 Attack, 185 Defense, 60 Sp. Attack, 157 Sp. Defense, 92 Speed
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Careful
Toxic, Protect, Drill Peck, Roar
Stats: 183 HP, 179 Attack, 102 Defense, 109 Sp. Attack, 104 Sp. Defense, 199 Speed
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Naive
Earthquake, Rock Slide, Hidden Power Bug, Fire Blast
Stats: 236 HP, 114 Attack, 204 Defense, 56 Sp. Attack, 100 Sp. Defense, 134 Speed
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Impish
Earthquake, Body Slam, Milk Drink, Heal Bell
Going into the gold symbol fight, I was mostly only worried about Gyarados, who threatened to destroy my whole team with Rest and Dragon Dance. Flygon took care of Seviper and Steelix fairly easily, and then I just stalled Gyarados a little bit so Flygon could come in while it was Resting and take it out with two Rock Slides. I don't remember the details of the loss that ended the streak, but I'm almost positive it was during a hard single battle.
All in all, I've been having a lot of fun with the frontier. I'm not going for huge records or totally optimal Pokemon (as you might be able to tell, lol). I'm just trying to come up with fun teams that I like for each facility, refining them as necessary to win gold and then seeing how far they go after that. I'm going to keep working on the rest of the facilities, so I'll hopefully have more to share soon!
Battle Dome Open Level (Level 60): 12 Championships
Houndoom @ Charcoal - "Brimstone"
EVs: 6 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 SpeedStats: 177 HP, 116 Attack, 80 Defense, 191 Sp. Attack, 117 Sp. Defense, 191 Speed
Ability: Early Bird
Nature: Timid
Sunny Day, Flamethrower, Solar Beam, Crunch
Bellossom @ Lum Berry - "Kahuna"
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 6 SpeedStats: 214 HP, 96 Attack, 117 Defense, 181 Sp. Attack, 141 Sp. Defense, 76 Speed
Ability: Chlorophyll
Nature: Modest
Sunny Day, Solar Beam, Moonlight, Sludge Bomb
Swampert @ Leftovers - "Gillian"
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp. Defense, 6 AttackStats: 243 HP, 154 Attack, 131 Defense, 112 Sp. Attack, 173 Sp. Defense, 79 Speed
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Careful
Curse, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Return
Strategy
This team was a little challenging to use, but I had a lot of fun with it. Curse Swampert was the MVP, able to steamroll opponents easily once it set up--it was one of my choices for almost every battle. Houndoom was great for dealing with the grass types Swampert was highly allergic to and for revenge killing if Swampert (or, on rare occasions, Bellossom) ever went down. I gave it a Charcoal, but I'm not sure whether that made a meaningful difference to Flamethrower's power. I mostly just wasn't sure what to give it, so I thought Charcoal might be handy for situations where I didn't have time to set up the sun. Bellossom was pretty tanky thanks to its Special Defense investment and excellent at eliminating bulky water types, which Swampert usually had a little trouble with. It could consistently survive one super-effective special attack from them (usually an ice-type move) while using Sunny Day and then one-shot with Solar Beam on the next turn with the Chlorophyll speed boost. Lum Berry ensured that it could strike back even if it got frozen or paralyzed while waiting to set up the sun. Bellossom could also stall with sun-boosted Moonlight if necessary, but I only relied on that when I was in a pinch.Funnily enough, even though Swampert was my most reliable team member, I left her behind for the gold symbol battle. Tucker brought Latios and Swampert, which I beat with Houndoom and Bellossom, respectively. I don't remember all the details of my loss, but it was in the final battle of my 13th round. I think I lost Swampert to a critical hit Cross Chop from a Machamp and couldn't recover after that. Frustratingly, the other Pokemon was either Aggron or Metagross, both of which Swampert could've taken down easily!
Battle Pike Open Level (Level 60): 163 Rooms
Skarmory @ Leftovers - "Maverick"
EVs: 252 HP, 6 Attack, 252 Sp. DefenseStats: 202 HP, 118 Attack, 185 Defense, 60 Sp. Attack, 157 Sp. Defense, 92 Speed
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Careful
Toxic, Protect, Drill Peck, Roar
Flygon @ Choice Band - "Nabooru"
EVs: 252 Attack, 6 Sp. Attack, 252 SpeedStats: 183 HP, 179 Attack, 102 Defense, 109 Sp. Attack, 104 Sp. Defense, 199 Speed
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Naive
Earthquake, Rock Slide, Hidden Power Bug, Fire Blast
Miltank @ Lum Berry - "MaryMooCow"
EVs: 252 HP, 6 Attack, 252 DefenseStats: 236 HP, 114 Attack, 204 Defense, 56 Sp. Attack, 100 Sp. Defense, 134 Speed
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Impish
Earthquake, Body Slam, Milk Drink, Heal Bell
Strategy
This was a solid team for Battle Pike, with every member playing a role in facing several of the different events. I used this guide on Reddit to inform my room choices (shoutout to Snicker40 over there), which basically led me to avoid non-healing single battles as much as possible. Skarmory was useful for wild Pokemon rooms and status rooms thanks to its poison immunity, and it was great for stalling out tanky threats in hard single battles with the time-honored Toxic/Protect/Leftovers combo. Flygon was great for dealing damage in single and double battles, especially through the classic flying-type/Earthquake strategy in doubles. It was a little hard to switch into sometimes during single battles because of its relatively low bulk, but its speed made it a great revenge killer. Miltank was the cleric, armed with a Lum Berry in case the whole team ever got hit with sleep/freeze or if she got hit with a status move while trying to Heal Bell her teammates. I probably would've preferred to use Blissey if I had access to trading (I have a copy of FireRed, but I lack the hardware necessary to trade), but Miltank ended up being a helpful backup for Flygon in double battles thanks to its good physical attack, so it worked out well.Going into the gold symbol fight, I was mostly only worried about Gyarados, who threatened to destroy my whole team with Rest and Dragon Dance. Flygon took care of Seviper and Steelix fairly easily, and then I just stalled Gyarados a little bit so Flygon could come in while it was Resting and take it out with two Rock Slides. I don't remember the details of the loss that ended the streak, but I'm almost positive it was during a hard single battle.
All in all, I've been having a lot of fun with the frontier. I'm not going for huge records or totally optimal Pokemon (as you might be able to tell, lol). I'm just trying to come up with fun teams that I like for each facility, refining them as necessary to win gold and then seeing how far they go after that. I'm going to keep working on the rest of the facilities, so I'll hopefully have more to share soon!
Hi everyone,
This is my very first post on Smogon, even though I've been following the guides here for over six years across different generations. I'm a huge fan of Gen 3, and ever since I was a kid, I’ve wanted to tackle the Battle Frontier challenge on an actual cartridge. Back then, I had no idea about things like EVs, IVs, or proper movesets, so the Frontier used to absolutely destroy me. Now that I’ve learned a lot more (and discovered the wonders of RNG manipulation), I decided it was finally time to give it a serious shot.
Introduction
I want to highlight that all my attempts are being played on a real cartridge, although some of my Pokémon were prepared using an emulator for RNG manipulation before transferring them over. There’s something uniquely nostalgic and authentic about experiencing the challenge on original hardware. The grind, the frustration, the RNG—it all feels far more rewarding knowing the effort I’ve put into building my team, even if the process is a mix of tools and the slower pace of cartridge play.
My Journey with RNG Manipulation
Before starting my Battle Frontier challenge, I spent some time learning RNG manipulation, which has been both a blessing and a challenge. At first, RNG manips were amazing—I loved being able to control things like IVs and natures to build perfect Pokémon. It felt like unlocking a superpower!
However, once I delved into egg RNG, I quickly realized how demanding it can be. Juggling PID RNG, IV RNG, hitting alternate frames, and calibrating precise timing requires immense focus and patience—it almost feels like a grind. Yet, despite the challenge, I found the process deeply rewarding. There’s something incredibly satisfying about knowing you’ve meticulously optimized your Pokémon from the ground up.
The Battle Frontier is an amazing mix of fun and frustration. RNG manipulation helped me prepare almost perfect Pokémons, but no amount of preparation can fully counter the randomness of the Frontier (at least for a newbie like me). Playing on a real cartridge has made every win (and every loss) feel so much more personal, and I’m excited to keep pushing forward in both the Tower, the Dome, and more.
If you have any tips for handling hax and evasion users or other strategies to extend my streaks, I’d love to hear them! I’ll keep you all updated on my progress, and hopefully, I’ll have some more victories to share soon.
This is my very first post on Smogon, even though I've been following the guides here for over six years across different generations. I'm a huge fan of Gen 3, and ever since I was a kid, I’ve wanted to tackle the Battle Frontier challenge on an actual cartridge. Back then, I had no idea about things like EVs, IVs, or proper movesets, so the Frontier used to absolutely destroy me. Now that I’ve learned a lot more (and discovered the wonders of RNG manipulation), I decided it was finally time to give it a serious shot.
Introduction
I want to highlight that all my attempts are being played on a real cartridge, although some of my Pokémon were prepared using an emulator for RNG manipulation before transferring them over. There’s something uniquely nostalgic and authentic about experiencing the challenge on original hardware. The grind, the frustration, the RNG—it all feels far more rewarding knowing the effort I’ve put into building my team, even if the process is a mix of tools and the slower pace of cartridge play.
My Journey with RNG Manipulation
Before starting my Battle Frontier challenge, I spent some time learning RNG manipulation, which has been both a blessing and a challenge. At first, RNG manips were amazing—I loved being able to control things like IVs and natures to build perfect Pokémon. It felt like unlocking a superpower!
However, once I delved into egg RNG, I quickly realized how demanding it can be. Juggling PID RNG, IV RNG, hitting alternate frames, and calibrating precise timing requires immense focus and patience—it almost feels like a grind. Yet, despite the challenge, I found the process deeply rewarding. There’s something incredibly satisfying about knowing you’ve meticulously optimized your Pokémon from the ground up.
For my first attempt, I went with a classic team: Latios, Metagross and Swampert.
Things were going well, and I managed to reach a 69-win streak. But then, disaster struck. I lost to Anabel thanks to some brutal CCs, poor switching decisions on my end, and my lack of preparation. I went in blindly without knowing much about the opposing teams and the Battle Frontier in general, and it showed. Lesson learned: always scout ahead.
On my second run, I decided to refine my strategy. My initial approach was straightforward: use CM Latios to sweep and switch out when faced with something threatening. However, I severely underestimated how annoying evasion strategies (DT users and items like BrightPowder) could be. To counter this, I added Slaking with AA to deal with evasive foes.
From now on, I’m using Latios, Metagross and Slaking:
Latios @ Lum Berry (LV.81)
Modest 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
IV 31 / 23 / 20 / 31 / 28 / 31
Metagross @ Leftovers (LV.81)
Adamant 128 HP / 252 Atk / 128 Spe
IV 31 / 31 / 31 / 21 / 31 / 31
Slaking @ Choice Band (LV.81)
Jolly 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
IV 30 / 31 / 30 / 29 / 29 / 30
Unfortunately, this run ended in more heartbreak at 61. Here’s what happened:
Despite the frustration, I’ve learned a lot and adjusted my strategy. Calm Mind Latios is a reliable lead, and Metagross with Leftovers has been a great tank. Slaking, with its raw power and AA, has helped counter evasion strategies, but the hax gods haven’t been kind. I’m still determined to improve my streak, and I’ll keep you up to date.
Things were going well, and I managed to reach a 69-win streak. But then, disaster struck. I lost to Anabel thanks to some brutal CCs, poor switching decisions on my end, and my lack of preparation. I went in blindly without knowing much about the opposing teams and the Battle Frontier in general, and it showed. Lesson learned: always scout ahead.
On my second run, I decided to refine my strategy. My initial approach was straightforward: use CM Latios to sweep and switch out when faced with something threatening. However, I severely underestimated how annoying evasion strategies (DT users and items like BrightPowder) could be. To counter this, I added Slaking with AA to deal with evasive foes.
From now on, I’m using Latios, Metagross and Slaking:
Latios @ Lum Berry (LV.81)
Modest 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
IV 31 / 23 / 20 / 31 / 28 / 31
- Calm Mind
- T-bolt
- Dragon Claw
- Psychic
Metagross @ Leftovers (LV.81)
Adamant 128 HP / 252 Atk / 128 Spe
IV 31 / 31 / 31 / 21 / 31 / 31
- EQ
- Explosion
- Shadow Ball
- Meteor Mash
Slaking @ Choice Band (LV.81)
Jolly 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
IV 30 / 31 / 30 / 29 / 29 / 30
- AA
- Shadow Ball
- Double-Edge
- EQ
Unfortunately, this run ended in more heartbreak at 61. Here’s what happened:
- Shiftry with a Focus Band survived my attack and used Explosion, taking down one of my Pokémon.
- Gengar (likely holding BrightPowder or Lax Incense) dodged two of my 100 accuracy moves and then CC’d my Latios with Ice Punch, leaving me with Metagross.
- Gengar then T-bolted my Metagross, which KO’d it with Shadow Ball, but then Metagross got paralyzed by a stupid … Vileplume. Vileplume proceeded to whittle me down with paralysis and Meteor Mash misses until I lost slowly but surely.
Despite the frustration, I’ve learned a lot and adjusted my strategy. Calm Mind Latios is a reliable lead, and Metagross with Leftovers has been a great tank. Slaking, with its raw power and AA, has helped counter evasion strategies, but the hax gods haven’t been kind. I’m still determined to improve my streak, and I’ll keep you up to date.
I’ve also started working on the Battle Dome and I am currently sitting at 10 wins with the same team. My team for the Dome is quite the same, as follows:
Latios @ Lum Berry (LV.81)
Modest 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
IV 31 / 23 / 20 / 31 / 28 / 31
Metagross @ Choice Band (LV.81)
Adamant 128 HP / 252 Atk / 128 Spe
IV 31 / 31 / 31 / 21 / 31 / 31
Swampert @ Leftovers (LV.81)
Relaxed 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 SpD
IV 31 / 29 / 29 / 31 / 30 / 31
So far, it’s been fairly smooth sailing. I have to admit, though, that I got some lucky hax in my favor against Tucker—I CC’d his Latias with my Latios, which made the fight significantly easier. Sometimes RNG is on your side, and I’ll gladly take it after my rough Battle Tower experiences.
Latios @ Lum Berry (LV.81)
Modest 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
IV 31 / 23 / 20 / 31 / 28 / 31
- Calm Mind
- T-bolt
- Dragon Claw
- Psychic
Metagross @ Choice Band (LV.81)
Adamant 128 HP / 252 Atk / 128 Spe
IV 31 / 31 / 31 / 21 / 31 / 31
- EQ
- Explosion
- Shadow Ball
- Meteor Mash
Swampert @ Leftovers (LV.81)
Relaxed 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 SpD
IV 31 / 29 / 29 / 31 / 30 / 31
- EQ
- Hydro Pump
- Protect
- Ice Beam
So far, it’s been fairly smooth sailing. I have to admit, though, that I got some lucky hax in my favor against Tucker—I CC’d his Latias with my Latios, which made the fight significantly easier. Sometimes RNG is on your side, and I’ll gladly take it after my rough Battle Tower experiences.
The Battle Frontier is an amazing mix of fun and frustration. RNG manipulation helped me prepare almost perfect Pokémons, but no amount of preparation can fully counter the randomness of the Frontier (at least for a newbie like me). Playing on a real cartridge has made every win (and every loss) feel so much more personal, and I’m excited to keep pushing forward in both the Tower, the Dome, and more.
If you have any tips for handling hax and evasion users or other strategies to extend my streaks, I’d love to hear them! I’ll keep you all updated on my progress, and hopefully, I’ll have some more victories to share soon.
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Nice work so far.
I have 1 quick piece of advice; the level you play at in open level actually matters. Pokemon do more damage to each other if their levels end in ...3, 5, 8, 0. Pokemon do measurably less damage for levels ending in 2 and 7.
It would be a small but significant buff to your team to go to level 83 or 85, as your team is largely built around the idea of "kill the opponent so they die". A more defensive team would rather go to 82. Being at 81 is kind of a no-mans land unless its a specific leftovers number for something or whatever.
You can see what i mean by checking how changing the levels in one of the online damage calculators slightly changes the damage.
"how to beat evasion and hax" doesnt have a satisfying short answer which isnt "just use a better team on the leaderboard lol"; however to point you in a few directions (there are examples of these teams on the leaderboard):
- Destiny Bond is one of the few moves/ strategies that completely invalidates "almost all" (quick claw....) bad luck, particularly when combined with substitute or other ways to safely bait the opponent into attacking. Curse (ghost curse) is another one, although the fact that they dont immediately die may be a problem
- The safest way to win is generally not to rely on actually hitting the opponent. There is a reason why Suicune (and arguably milotic) is a lot better than swampert; you can just out-live the opponent. It doesnt matter if the opponent gets +6 evasion and starts dodging everything, if you are basically also immortal. Rest Suicune is not "easy" to play well; you have to know what you are doing and what threatens it.
- Metagross is never going to stay on very optimal teams if its relying on Meteor Mash. You will inevitably miss multiple times with this move at some point.
- Most players underestimate how much agency you have with a team like this. "very strong play" includes things like baiting the AI opponent into going to kill moves instead of setting up, safely baiting hp ranges, locking certain styles out of being chosen, etc. "Learn how the AI works" is a daunting task but there are guides (look up emerald kaizo) and videos to introduce it. Gen 3 factory streamers discuss this stuff a lot on commentary.
- If nothing else there are a few easy-to-understand pieces of AI logic such as "dont use Double team at full health" - and yeah this is generally as good as counterplay to double team gets. The key number is 70%, below 70% hp the chance they will use double team drops off dramatically