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Gen V Initial NU Metagame Thread

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Anyway, is TR having any modicum of success in NU? You have a lot of slow Pokemon that could do a lot of damage in TR (Rampardos, Bouffalant, Ursaring).
 
GtM said:
NU is diverse, so as long as you carry something on your team that can deal with Altaria, Slowking or Lanturn respectively then you should be fine. :)
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GTM, which NU are you playing?

Those are all minor threats at best; what you should be afraid of is mesprit, gardevoir, magmortar, gorebyss, hail in general, and sawk, among others.

I've seen one TR team and I recall having lost to hax; I don't think it's terrible, but I've yet to see its full extent.

Also hail scares the everloving fuck out of me. Literally every blizzspammer, not to mention walrein, is in NU. Scarf Magmortar and Sawk give them problems, admittedly, but they are still quite the challenge.
 
Breludicolo said:
Scarf Magmortar and Sawk give them problems, admittedly, but they are still quite the challenge.
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Tell that to a good hail team. If its Snover + BlizzSpam, it will be roflstomped by Sawk, but the one Hail team I did see was 1/2 priority abusers just for that kind of thing. And, you know, add Altaria and you're pretty much set (especially if it has Cotton Gaurd...)
 
Breludicolo said:
GTM, which NU are you playing?

Those are all minor threats at best; what you should be afraid of is mesprit, gardevoir, magmortar, gorebyss, hail in general, and sawk, among others.
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Um.
These "minor threats" are the premier special walls in this tier and just so happen to check Magmortar pretty well. For instance, the Flame Charge set GtM was suggesting will outspeed every Gardevoir and Mesprit at +1 and deal a load of damage (79% minimum with Timid/Hasty LO Fire Blast to 4HP / 0SpD), whereas Lanturn, Altaria and Slowking will put a dead stop to your sweep. Not saying that Gardy and Mesprit aren't threats, but Magmortar would rather have the other three out of the way.
Defensive threats are still threats.
 
Oh sweet, Smeargle's NU! I have a unique Baton Pass set for it that Regigigas loves receiving! I pray that we get complex Baton Pass bans rather than a simple one.

Smeargle
move 1: Baton Pass
move 2: Spore
move 3: Gear Shift
move 4: Ingrain
item: Focus Sash
ability: Own Tempo
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

Regigigas
move 1: Return
move 2: Drain Punch
move 3: Foresight
move 4: Substitute
item: Leftovers
ability: Slow Start
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD

This combo is so destructive! Throw in Smeargle after one of your Pokemon has fainted into something slower than it and follow up with Spore. On the switch, use Gear Shift. Now if you know that the new Pokemon tossed out usually carries Taunt, has priority, or is faster than Smeargle at +2 (with the possibility of your foe holding a Choice Scarf accounted for), Baton Pass out of there. If not, you can get add an Ingrain to the boost then Baton Pass.

Now Regigigas with +1 and Slow Start active has around 291 Attack while the +2 Speed balances out Slow Start's drop (Speed is at 236 here). This alone can make dents in NU. On top of that, if you're lucky enough to pass Ingrain as well, the foe can't phase out Regigigas. With Leftovers and Ingrain, you heal 12.5% of Regigigas' HP each turn and on top of that, there's Drain Punch's side-effect! Return for STAB, Foresight to uncover the immunity of Ghost-types and grant perfect coverage, and Substitute to prevent the odd status problem. Regigigas does have problems. There's Taunt then a status move to watch out for, hard hitting Fighting-types like Sawk, the occasional Haze user, and the odd time your opponent uses 2 Ghost-types. Otherwise, it's a great team combination if the field is clear of Sandstorm, Hail, Trick Room, and entry hazards.
 
With the lack of Spinners in this tier, using Defog could become somewhat usable. The pokes that do learn it are almost all Flying, so they may take SR damge, but people are using Cryogonal (which is obviously weak to it), and the flying types have Roost for recovery.
 
Narutard said:
With the lack of Spinners in this tier, using Defog could become somewhat usable. The pokes that do learn it are almost all Flying, so they may take SR damge, but people are using Cryogonal (which is obviously weak to it), and the flying types have Roost for recovery.
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Why the fuck would someone use defog?,it removes hazards from your opponent , not yourself unless someone is crazy enough to use Natu(almost no one do this).
 
Breludicolo said:
GTM, which NU are you playing?

Those are all minor threats at best; what you should be afraid of is mesprit, gardevoir, magmortar, gorebyss, hail in general, and sawk, among others.

I've seen one TR team and I recall having lost to hax; I don't think it's terrible, but I've yet to see its full extent.

Also hail scares the everloving fuck out of me. Literally every blizzspammer, not to mention walrein, is in NU. Scarf Magmortar and Sawk give them problems, admittedly, but they are still quite the challenge.
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Lanturn and Slowking are indeed minor threats. I'd debate if Lanturn even is a threat at all.

Altaria, on the other hand, is not. I've seen random things running HP Ice many times, preumerably just for Altaria. It's kind of annoying when you think you're safe to set up, and WHAM, random X used HP Ice.

Don't know when Mespirit picked up. I've not seen many, nor have I seen much discussion on it in this thread. Same goes for Gardevoir... no-one mentioned it when I was saying about a lack of special sweepers in the teir.

Hail is a massaive pain in the rear, however. Blizzspam is bad enough in UU, let alone NU. Not had any issues with Stallrein, however... I've had issues with Offensive Walreins, they're pretty bulky for this teir, and hit pretty hard. Not to mention things that Resist Blizzard dislike Super Fang. Hail also makes my very heavy offense team die pretty fast to recoil, Life Orbs, Toxic/Burn Orbs, and whatnot.
 
Guys, I was referencing those pokemon specifically in response to a guy's question from earlier, not because I personally thought they were threats but because he did. Try reading the other posts before being smart-asses. :P

On-topic, I've been testing Magmortar out on a Sun team and the Flame Charge set has been working wonders. Slowking is also pretty good for Sun teams, as it provides the resistances of a Water type whilst also being able to abuse Fire Blast when the sun's up.

Also, I totally called Gardevoir earlier. I'm determined to make a team and ladder with her; it'll be interesting using her in a tier where she can stand up on her own merits rather than on the merits of others through Trace.
 
with Magneton moving up to RU, Klinklang and Swellow will definately have an easier time swepping. Klinklang in particular will probably dominate NU during the next month or so.
 
SuperPascal said:
with Magneton moving up to RU, Klinklang and Swellow will definately have an easier time swepping. Klinklang in particular will probably dominate NU during the next month or so.
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There's not teir changes this month, nor until January. The teirs shuffle every 3 months of stats [Or is it four, I forgot how they're doing it this gen]. The teirs were shuffled based on the Period leading to the September stats before.

Magneton is staying in NU for a while yet. Until the December stats at least.

Anywho, with all the metagame developments, Im gonna need to shuffle my team around a fair bit. Especially with everyone seemingly packing HP Ice for Altaria, and there's Blizzspam too... meaning a team based on an Altaria sweep probobly isn't the world's greatest idea in the current metagame.

[Unprepared teams still get ripped to shreds...]
 
just posting to say, that wynaut is pretty broken in nu, when something can make a scraggy sweep, more than once, you know its broken. (tried scraggy without support, didnt turn out well). Wynaut provides excellent support to all set up sweepers such as Klinklang and Altaria if you choose to run DD, and it usually scores one kill per match, and if it doesnt, whatever sets up does.

Also, been using offensive Murkrow as a wallbreaker and it really helps pokes such as swellow, (hp grass for rhydon) to sweep. it can score surprise kills and break walls as well.
 
I haven't played too many battles, but so far I've found Regirock to be a huge asset. It completely stops Swellow, can take all kinds of physical beatings from things like Altaria, and provides amazing support with Stealth Rock and Thunder Wave. It hits quite hard with Stone Edge and Earthquake as well. Even Magmortar has problems with Regirock with that nice resistance to Fire-type moves.

Also GtM that Magmortar set is really good even outside of sun, especially if you have something to take on Altaria effectively.
 
Diana said:
I haven't played too many battles, but so far I've found Regirock to be a huge asset. It completely stops Swellow, can take all kinds of physical beatings from things like Altaria, and provides amazing support with Stealth Rock and Thunder Wave. It hits quite hard with Stone Edge and Earthquake as well. Even Magmortar has problems with Regirock with that nice resistance to Fire-type moves.

Also GtM that Magmortar set is really good even outside of sun, especially if you have something to take on Altaria effectively.
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This. Regirock is probably among the top 5 or so Pokes in the metagame. You can even get creative and run a pretty destructive CB set that absolutely no one expects ;) He's got base 100 attack people. Adamant CB Stone Edge from that is gonna wreck some shit.
 
I like restalk curse rock slide better as a sweeper.

TR could definitely work. I doubt that any team could stop the combined efforts of marowak and rampardos if they can keep tr up. Stuff like OTR duosion and slowking and octillery could handle any physical walls.
 
moonbound said:
I like restalk curse rock slide better as a sweeper.

TR could definitely work. I doubt that any team could stop the combined efforts of marowak and rampardos if they can keep tr up. Stuff like OTR duosion and slowking and octillery could handle any physical walls.
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They serve two COMPLETELY different purposes, so that's a completely moot point.
 
Alright so I just got into NU and I gotta say its been really fun and I thought I would post my thoughts on some of the pokes I've been using.

I've been using a SubCM Mesprit and it is an amazing sweeper when Dark types and Scarfers are gone. Seriously been the MVP of my time.

CB Sawk is an amazing wallbreaker and always manages to do a lot of damage when I need him too.

Also Regirock+Quagsire+Vileplume is a really good defensive core imo. They usually manage to wall most threats. I'm still testing different ev spreads and such but so far so good.
So far thats my first impressions but I'm loving it.
 
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