Very disappointing. The fact that I could sweep 4 out of 6 of her Pokemon with a Magnezone didn't help.
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How you feel about the Kalos Champion
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She was really disappointing. The only Pokemon that gave me trouble was her Auroros, and even then because it could tank special hits. It didn't actually do any damage.
I think my Blazkien pretty much steamrolled through her, and nearly the rest of the league on his own. I"m not too bothered by it, because right from the get to I was determined to overlevel everything by at least 20 and steamroll through like a boss. Might have to try it in a game where it's harder to grind though
I pretty much steam-rolled my way through that battle mainly using my Sylveon and Magnezone. I found that water Elite 4 member (Siebold?) to be more difficult because of his Dragon Dance-spamming pain in the ass Gyarados. I still argue Steven is my favorite Champion, but Diantha wasn't the worst, either (I'm looking at you, Wallace).
Plus, you get a Beldum from Steven. Ralts just doesn't compare..
Plus, you get a Beldum from Steven. Ralts just doesn't compare..
Omg she is the worst champion ever
1. No build up: I mean let's get this straight Dinatha has to be the most lazyest character GF made.(NPC'S do not count)
2: She's too easy: Same with the last two champions(from BW1/2) it was to easy to beat them guess what? She is even easyer.
3. SHE JUST SUCKS!: Who she,what she wears,Pokémon she used SUCKS!
There she sucks
1. No build up: I mean let's get this straight Dinatha has to be the most lazyest character GF made.(NPC'S do not count)
2: She's too easy: Same with the last two champions(from BW1/2) it was to easy to beat them guess what? She is even easyer.
3. SHE JUST SUCKS!: Who she,what she wears,Pokémon she used SUCKS!
There she sucks
1.- Granted, but still better than Lance having 3 Dragonites and being the champion just because the 11 years kid that beat him doesn't want to be the champion make it worse champion; as Elite 4 member he is amaizing, but as champion Lance just sucks.
2.- Lance as Champio use Rain Dance then you can wreck up his team with a pikachu/Electabuzz or using Icy wind.
3.- What?
She is not the best champion, but better than Lance (as champion) she is. We need a rematch being apply probably we will get update when pokebank comes (I hope).
Eh, the entire game, while amazing, is pretty easy storywise. I felt Diantha did good enough, and has an awesome Mega-Gardevoir. Although they need a rematch system.
Honestly, she was an interesting character with not enough background. It would of been cool if her picture had been plastered on some of the bill boards in Lumiose, or randomly dotted around Kalos on posters advertising her latest film (Maybe giving a brief mention to Unova's PokéStar Studios too).
The fact that she is so famous (outside of Pokémon) and barely gets mentioned apart from you directly interacting with her is very curious. You would expect more people to clamour about a movie star walking around. I think her team is pretty solid, even if the scariest thing is Tyrantrum. You don't even really need a strong balanced team to take her on, many Pokémon can carry 4 moves which deal with her entire team (For me it was Greninja).
I liked the fact that there was a lot of build up to the Elite 4, with you not knowing who any of them are until you get there. Diantha was sort of the icing on the cake (but at that point it could of really been anyone).
The fact that she is so famous (outside of Pokémon) and barely gets mentioned apart from you directly interacting with her is very curious. You would expect more people to clamour about a movie star walking around. I think her team is pretty solid, even if the scariest thing is Tyrantrum. You don't even really need a strong balanced team to take her on, many Pokémon can carry 4 moves which deal with her entire team (For me it was Greninja).
I liked the fact that there was a lot of build up to the Elite 4, with you not knowing who any of them are until you get there. Diantha was sort of the icing on the cake (but at that point it could of really been anyone).
Interesting team, but incredibly underwhelming. And her costume is retarded as all get out. Isn't she supposed to be fashion-conscious? How many people did you see wearing fucking fairy wings? Just one.
Shameful, Diantha.
I actually think that the story itself was pretty weak. AZ could have been a fascinating character, but he appears like three times and doesn't really fit in anywhere (literally). The player's companions are forgettable generic friendly rival characters that all feel way too familiar, and the gym leaders are so terrible that I don't even remember half their names. The Team Flare arc was pretty great, Lysandre was a pretty interesting villain and somehow even more of a nihilist than Cyrus, and unlike Cyrus he could actually attempt to support his viewpoints with the argument "everything sucks anyways, who cares?" but like all of the ingame fights his team was rather effortlessly beaten. I didn't even use the exp share, by the way, they're all just... easy. It's really a shame, the game as a whole is probably the best of the series, it's just absolutely beautiful and polished and balanced and amazing, but fucking easy.
I might just be getting tired of gym leaders and the pokemon league, though. It's why I still go back and play Coliseum from time to time. It was different.
Shameful, Diantha.
I actually think that the story itself was pretty weak. AZ could have been a fascinating character, but he appears like three times and doesn't really fit in anywhere (literally). The player's companions are forgettable generic friendly rival characters that all feel way too familiar, and the gym leaders are so terrible that I don't even remember half their names. The Team Flare arc was pretty great, Lysandre was a pretty interesting villain and somehow even more of a nihilist than Cyrus, and unlike Cyrus he could actually attempt to support his viewpoints with the argument "everything sucks anyways, who cares?" but like all of the ingame fights his team was rather effortlessly beaten. I didn't even use the exp share, by the way, they're all just... easy. It's really a shame, the game as a whole is probably the best of the series, it's just absolutely beautiful and polished and balanced and amazing, but fucking easy.
I might just be getting tired of gym leaders and the pokemon league, though. It's why I still go back and play Coliseum from time to time. It was different.
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Two actually. You forgot Valerie.
I turned the EXP. Share off around the third gym (the only way to play XY, as far as I'm concerned), but even with a team of Pokemon at lower levels than Diantha's, I still found her to be underwhelming. Of course, since her Hawlucha couldn't touch my Aegislash and decided it would rather set up Swords Dances than try to attack, I easily got to plus 4 and went on a rampage. From there, her choice in Pokemon are pretty underwhelming; Tyrantrum and Aururous die to any EQ user (fucking Gogoat is a baller), and the only Pokemon she had that gave me any trouble was, of course, her Mega Gardevoir, whom I beat by tanking hits with Gogoat (baller) and 2HKO'ing it with Horn Leech.
So I've seen worse champions, certainly, but she's no Cynthia.
So I've seen worse champions, certainly, but she's no Cynthia.
Nah, she just has ridiculous sleeves.
I think she was alright overall. Her character was a bit underdeveloped in my opinion, but she has some interesting Pokemon. I really enjoyed the design of Victory Road and the Elite 4 'chambers,' however.
I'm kind of annoyed that Diantha's mega isn't Absol. With her black hair and dem WINGS on her white outfit, it was like she was begging for it. Makes more sense visually to me than Megavoir. ~____~
I know the rival has Megabsol and all but blehhh. It goes with her visuals more and Rival could have had any other Mega.
Incidentally, I don't really have a PROBLEM with Diantha per se, but I DO think that this is the first generation in… well, a while, anyway… where the E4 outshined the Champion. Gotta love what a sweet old lady Drasna is.
I know the rival has Megabsol and all but blehhh. It goes with her visuals more and Rival could have had any other Mega.
Incidentally, I don't really have a PROBLEM with Diantha per se, but I DO think that this is the first generation in… well, a while, anyway… where the E4 outshined the Champion. Gotta love what a sweet old lady Drasna is.
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I was actually going to open up with the same sentence. Given the overall difficulty (or lack thereof) of the rest of the game, Diantha fit in well. All of the problems that people have with her are a symptom of a much bigger problem; this entire game is just too easy, even with the EXP share turned off. I'd like to see what they do in Z, and if they'd be willing to listen to their older fans and raise the difficulty.
Also, character wise, is anyone bothered by the fact that Lysandre said something so creepy and enigmatic to her that he might as well have announced that he's up to something to her, yet she suspected absolutely nothing? I know that there's a small degree of obligatory stupidity and passiveness in most Pokemon games, but come on.
Ok I'm going to be the opposite guy here. Throughout the story I quite liked her character and didn't get she was the champ, she mentioned battling me in Coumarine city so I kinda assumed she would be a gym leader, after Wulfric I thought E4 but when she wasn't there I forgot about her. Heading into the champion battle I was actually really surprised at her standing there and was rather excited to battle her.
That Hawlucha is devastating, seriously. Swords Dance sweeps. I actually just lost to her in my second nuzlocke of the game - in my first one I went in there with 4 Pokemon alive and came out with one barely alive. The fight is not under-whelming for me. Well, ok, the fossilmons and Gouregeist ghost thing is. I can't remember one of her Pokemon so that must've been crap too but Hawlucha and Mega-Gardevoir are serious threats. Don't EV train, don't use the exp. share and it's a challenge. Don't use really strong stuff and it's a challenge. I feel like too many people want to sweep through games now to have an accurate opinion on the champions - Cynthia was one of the easiest champions for me, I guess things must have been different back then. But anyway, sure she could have used a little more involvment with the story, but Blue didn't effect the story iirc. He was your rival, he wasn't a good champion. Lance beat Team Rocket a few times but when I first played HG I was like "gtfo this is my fight stop using OP dragonite" and spent my time trying to KO the dragon -_-. Wallace sux. Steven... never played Ruby/Sapphire. Cynthia is really overrated, and is really quite a bad champion. She gives you a Togepi egg, HM for Cut and that's all the help she is iirc. You meet her a couple times but she doesn't do anything helpful. In Platinum I guess she's in the distortion world that's story-only but she doesn't help you in battles or anything there. Gen 5 had the best champions, Alder and Iris were fantastic but Iris didn't have much character progression in B2/W2, rather in B/W which you may not have played. Major design flaw. I feel like they played it safe with Diantha, not much use in the story so you can't get angry with her, but just enough so you know who she is. I don't understand all of the hate she is getting to be honest. At least she was multi-type, unlike Iris, and she didn't keep popping up everywhere like Cynthia, but being no real help at all. One of the strongest champions imo, the battle against her was less balanced but harder than Alder, so I'm having trouble deciding on her. Also I just remembered that Diantha's last Pokemon is a Goodra - it just wasn't that good to me.
That Hawlucha is devastating, seriously. Swords Dance sweeps. I actually just lost to her in my second nuzlocke of the game - in my first one I went in there with 4 Pokemon alive and came out with one barely alive. The fight is not under-whelming for me. Well, ok, the fossilmons and Gouregeist ghost thing is. I can't remember one of her Pokemon so that must've been crap too but Hawlucha and Mega-Gardevoir are serious threats. Don't EV train, don't use the exp. share and it's a challenge. Don't use really strong stuff and it's a challenge. I feel like too many people want to sweep through games now to have an accurate opinion on the champions - Cynthia was one of the easiest champions for me, I guess things must have been different back then. But anyway, sure she could have used a little more involvment with the story, but Blue didn't effect the story iirc. He was your rival, he wasn't a good champion. Lance beat Team Rocket a few times but when I first played HG I was like "gtfo this is my fight stop using OP dragonite" and spent my time trying to KO the dragon -_-. Wallace sux. Steven... never played Ruby/Sapphire. Cynthia is really overrated, and is really quite a bad champion. She gives you a Togepi egg, HM for Cut and that's all the help she is iirc. You meet her a couple times but she doesn't do anything helpful. In Platinum I guess she's in the distortion world that's story-only but she doesn't help you in battles or anything there. Gen 5 had the best champions, Alder and Iris were fantastic but Iris didn't have much character progression in B2/W2, rather in B/W which you may not have played. Major design flaw. I feel like they played it safe with Diantha, not much use in the story so you can't get angry with her, but just enough so you know who she is. I don't understand all of the hate she is getting to be honest. At least she was multi-type, unlike Iris, and she didn't keep popping up everywhere like Cynthia, but being no real help at all. One of the strongest champions imo, the battle against her was less balanced but harder than Alder, so I'm having trouble deciding on her. Also I just remembered that Diantha's last Pokemon is a Goodra - it just wasn't that good to me.
Thats because N is on a whole different level. Legendary pokemon and all that ;)
Like the E4, way too easy. Was pretty bummed they didn't get 6 Pokemon and leveled up after the first run.
The Champion I found very easy, and this was when I didn't have a balanced or EV trained team.
Also she didn't seem to do much with the story, and I didn't find her interesting. But X and Y's story felt a little rushed anyways, despite the team having the most threatening plan (even though team Flare themselves seemed too silly to pull it off)
The Champion I found very easy, and this was when I didn't have a balanced or EV trained team.
Also she didn't seem to do much with the story, and I didn't find her interesting. But X and Y's story felt a little rushed anyways, despite the team having the most threatening plan (even though team Flare themselves seemed too silly to pull it off)
Aw, I liked Diantha. I don't know if she's my favorite or anything, cause I like all the champions bar Wallace (who i HATEHATEHATE) and Alder I guess (whom I just find meh, but that may just be me), but she's not so bad.
Ever since R/S I EV train at least some of my pokes in-game, so I don't think super training was that much of a factor. I do think exp. share was, though.
However, I feel like the biggest factor was neither of those but rather how the game gives you access to both fan favorite (meaning they're getting use) and super powerful pokes (meaning they will plow through every trainer) really early.
I think that's really cool, don't get me wrong, but I also think that, if they were going to be available right away, they should have been a lot rarer or at least somewhat hidden. As it is, even someone who ISN'T trying to catch every possible poke right away will come across a Gible or Axew or Bagon just by chance. Easily. Pokemon like Honedge were also popular right away, easily available and become really powerful pokes in their own right. Add to that how you get MLucario and MStarter just by playing through the game and how MGengar is practically thrown at your face with the mega stone being so easily accessible.
You get my point.
Additionally, most of us have played through several pokemon games. Enough to know how to make a team with some half-decent coverage. Even without EV training or using some of the ridiculously powerful pokes we're given access to so early on, I don't think we're the best, most impartial judges for this.
All of that being said: Yes, Cynthia was stronger and she could have been far more involved in the story. Still, not a downright BAD champion, I don't think.
Ever since R/S I EV train at least some of my pokes in-game, so I don't think super training was that much of a factor. I do think exp. share was, though.
However, I feel like the biggest factor was neither of those but rather how the game gives you access to both fan favorite (meaning they're getting use) and super powerful pokes (meaning they will plow through every trainer) really early.
I think that's really cool, don't get me wrong, but I also think that, if they were going to be available right away, they should have been a lot rarer or at least somewhat hidden. As it is, even someone who ISN'T trying to catch every possible poke right away will come across a Gible or Axew or Bagon just by chance. Easily. Pokemon like Honedge were also popular right away, easily available and become really powerful pokes in their own right. Add to that how you get MLucario and MStarter just by playing through the game and how MGengar is practically thrown at your face with the mega stone being so easily accessible.
You get my point.
Additionally, most of us have played through several pokemon games. Enough to know how to make a team with some half-decent coverage. Even without EV training or using some of the ridiculously powerful pokes we're given access to so early on, I don't think we're the best, most impartial judges for this.
All of that being said: Yes, Cynthia was stronger and she could have been far more involved in the story. Still, not a downright BAD champion, I don't think.
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^when i played through Diamond for the first time, I didn't know about the Physical/Special split. Made the game SO much worse lol
My tier'ing is:
Blue (because he's so integral to the story) > Cynthia (I really liked her pokes) > Lance (He was better as E4) > Whoever was in BW/BW2 >> Diantha >>>> Walter
Diantha was not interesting and served too little a purpose in the game besides being dressed completely wrong for the entire course of the game. Malva is the character that sticks out the most to me in the whole of the E4. I can't wait to see her role in 'Z'.
Blue (because he's so integral to the story) > Cynthia (I really liked her pokes) > Lance (He was better as E4) > Whoever was in BW/BW2 >> Diantha >>>> Walter
Diantha was not interesting and served too little a purpose in the game besides being dressed completely wrong for the entire course of the game. Malva is the character that sticks out the most to me in the whole of the E4. I can't wait to see her role in 'Z'.
He wasnt treated as the champion is guess? Tho if we take him into account then he is automatically #1, i still see him as the rival and the best character protrait and development they have done in the entire series, so yeah, hes in a different level :]
I don't want her to be "badass". Alder wasn't "badass" by any definition of the word, but he was still a far better character than she was.
Ok, forget that she might not have clued into his insanity (although being both insane and having the resources to do something about it is more than just meeting a nut in general). He broadcasted his intention to kill the entire world to everyone in the region. What excuse did she have to not pick up on that, exactly?
It wasn't that she wasn't a "badass", it's that she wasn't a character. Name two things about her personally. She's an actress, and she's the Champion. That's it. There is nothing to her.
And, again, badass or no, there's still their role as Champion. Alder was very clearly not a badass, he loathed fighting, especially with his partner gone, and he just tried to get along and spread the love of Pokémon. But when Team Plasma got uppity? He got it together, took out his second best team (and you try imagining fighting with your favorite Pokémon dead for a second), that he had clearly not used in years, and fought against them. He made an effort. Diantha didn't even do that. You don't need to be a badass, but you need to try to be a Champion.
Heck, Malva was a better character than Diantha, as we actually get some clues to her role (Holo-Caster star, which is Lysandre's tech, and she's the only other trainer to use a Pyroar), and she has a personality, even with less screen time. Unfortunately, Malva also ruins Diantha even more. It was possible, with a Team Flare member on the Elite Four, that Malva could have sabotaged Diantha's plans, or kept her and the other Elite Four busy while Team Flare did it's thing. But, since that reveal comes after the endgame, it's clear that none of that happens. The one excuse that Diantha could have had (and which would have been an awesome twist had it happened in the story and actually incapacitated the Champion), is gone. It also hurts Malva's character, since apparently she does nothing during Team Flare's plan execution. But I'm convinced she was at least giving the task of stopping Diantha, only for it to turn out that Diantha is the only Champion who just doesn't care that the world is dying.
I didn't have a problem with her team. Sure, I OHKOed all of them, but that was my intention, I purposely overlevelled because of what data I wanted in my first Hall of Fame.
But her team is irrelevant when her personality and story role are so poor.