Isn't Oshawatt way better? This is a serious question as I haven't used Panpour before. I can understand why Panpour would be awesome and it's probably the best of the monkeys, but Samurott hits slightly harder and is also bulkier. Plus it has a more interesting movepool, with Megahorn being nice to hit the Psychics with (though Simipour has everything it needs). Also, you have to pick Snivy to get the free Panpour before the first gym which is kinda crappy. Otherwise you have to catch it in Pinwheel Forest, which could take a while if you're unlucky.Panpour: High, definately the best ingame Water type in B/W.
Honestly, they're pretty similar. Which one you call better largely depends on how much you value Speed and the 22-35 level range (where Simipour is indisputably better unless you want to give it your Eviolite). Keep in mind that while getting Panpour means you took the worst starter, picking Oshawatt gives you the worst Monkey by a loooong margain. Also, it's not impossible to pick up a Panpour even if you are running Tepig, in case you don't want Tympole/Ducklett/whatever for your Water Pokemon.Isn't Oshawatt way better? This is a serious question as I haven't used Panpour before. I can understand why Panpour would be awesome and it's probably the best of the monkeys, but Samurott hits slightly harder and is also bulkier. Plus it has a more interesting movepool, with Megahorn being nice to hit the Psychics with (though Simipour has everything it needs). Also, you have to pick Snivy to get the free Panpour before the first gym which is kinda crappy. Otherwise you have to catch it in Pinwheel Forest, which could take a while if you're unlucky.
Panpour can't learn X-Scissor, I don't think. I don't like Acrobatics on things that lack STAB on it because it gets weakened when you give it the lucky egg. The other moves are ok though so maybe Panpour does have a wider movepool.While Panpour lacks Megahorn, X-Scissor does the job well enough, and Panpour picks up Acrobatics, Brick Break (often preferable to Revenge), Shadow Claw, and Rock Slide. I'd say that Panpour wins as far as movepool goes, but Oshawatt is slightly better overall. They're both high material, though.
Oops, I was looking at Samurott's page when I saw that. It does learn Shadow Claw, though, which hits Psychics almost as well (which is the main thing that make Bug attacks worthwhile).Panpour can't learn X-Scissor, I don't think.
Lucky Egg is completely unnecessary unless your party size is too large. Switching your items around every time something levels up is such a hassle that even if the extra experience wasn't mostly superfluous I don't know if I'd bother.I don't like Acrobatics on things that lack STAB on it because it gets weakened when you give it the lucky egg.
I've heard this statement before, and I still don't get it. The monkeys are pretty much on par with the rest of your team when you first get them (good speed for that point, but fairly lackluster attacking stats), only they come with their elemental attacks, which are kinda hard to come by at that point in the game. They roflstomp the first gym, at which point they get Work Up to basically negate any issue they had with their offenses.I don't think that Panpour and Oshawatt are even though. Although Panpour is probably better midgame, it's as rubbish as all of the monkeys when you first get it.
I concede that Samurott is generally better for the late game (I still think they are fairly even early on), but there's no real point where I would go so far as to say that Panpour didn't contribute.Oshawatt, on the other hand, contributes for the whole game and provides a more efficient way to beat the game overall.
Megahorn also hits grass and dark types. It offers more coverage than shadow claw. Panpour may have access to a lot of moves, but it can't afford to run everything so there is usually something it can't cover. Panpour probably has better options anyway. Samurott only needs a water move and Megahorn really.Oops, I was looking at Samurott's page when I saw that. It does learn Shadow Claw, though, which hits Psychics almost as well (which is the main thing that make Bug attacks worthwhile).
Well I always use a party of 6 so lucky egg is helpful in my case. I think the benefits (leveling up faster) outway the downsides (having to switch items around regularly).Lucky Egg is completely unnecessary unless your party size is too large. Switching your items around every time something levels up is such a hassle that even if the extra experience wasn't mostly superfluous I don't know if I'd bother.
Trust me, the monkeys are bad early game. Period. They die faster than they can kill opponents. They are only on par with weak stuff like patrat and woobat. The starters, lillipup, blitzles and other stuff are all better than the monkeys.I've heard this statement before, and I still don't get it. The monkeys are pretty much on par with the rest of your team when you first get them (good speed for that point, but fairly lackluster attacking stats), only they come with their elemental attacks, which are kinda hard to come by at that point in the game. They roflstomp the first gym, at which point they get Work Up to basically negate any issue they had with their offenses
Just to clarify, I didn't say that panpour doesn't contribute. I was just making the point that oshawatt contributes for the whole game, whereas panpour is underwhelming early on. This is the main reason that oshawatt is high and panpour is mid.I concede that Samurott is generally better for the late game (I still think they are fairly even early on), but there's no real point where I would go so far as to say that Panpour didn't contribute.
I don't know what point you're trying to make. Of course darumaka, archen and scraggy are more efficient. But this has little to do with oshawatt being less or efficient than panpour.If we're talking about the most "efficient" way to beat the game, I doubt either Pokemon would ever see any use past Route 4. Leveling as few Pokemon as possible (3 is a good number to aim for) is by far the most efficient way of going through the game, and you can find that many Pokemon in the desert alone that outclass the two Water types in usefulness (Darumaka, Archen, and Scraggy are all better for most of the game).
Are there any water types that are better than Semipour barring Oshawott? If I choose Tepig or Snivy, what water-type would you suggest I use as "the best?"Come on, update the bloody original post already.
Simipour is good, but not high tier good. Stop trying to argue that it kills everything in the game. It's definitely in upper mid though.
Technically, you battle Zekrom in both games, so this point is slightly false.What about Swanna? Passable stats, especially with Work Up, can actually take a hit and let's not forget that it has perfect neutral coverage if you're playing black.
I think that Tympole is the best water type besides Oshawatt. That's just my opinion though. Some people prefer Panpour. Tympole is better at the start than Panpour, but then Panpour learns Scald and can evolve around the same time. Simipour is faster and more powerful than Seismitoad, but it's frailer, and Seismitoad can use Rain Dance to make up for its lower speed (Swift Swim) and attack (water attack boost) anyway.Are there any water types that are better than Semipour barring Oshawott? If I choose Tepig or Snivy, what water-type would you suggest I use as "the best?"