Yes good, but not game-breaking. I don't think anything is game-breaking.
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Is Blissey truly gamebreaking?
- Thread starter Pikachu of Doom
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yes, but without him the metagame would be very, very special scewed. who would stop a choice scarf porygon z or a zapdos gone mad???
With Blissey, Blissey is arguably one of the most necessary Pokemon there is as it stops the widest range of Special Attackers while also providing godly support.
Without Blissey, you're going to get swept by about any Special Attacker.
This game has been broken either way when you think about it.
I will now start using Farfetch'd, and then when anyone says "nobody uses Farfetch'd" I will raise my hand in objection. Does it say anything? Not really.
Obi's blissey takes Moltres fine.
Without Blissey, you're going to get swept by about any Special Attacker.
This game has been broken either way when you think about it.
I will now start using Farfetch'd, and then when anyone says "nobody uses Farfetch'd" I will raise my hand in objection. Does it say anything? Not really.
Obi's blissey takes Moltres fine.
Let me take this in a new direction for a second. Okay, Blissey stops more special threats than any other Pokemon. So what? Cresselia stops more threats than Blissey. Bronzong stops more threats than Blissey. Why must we segregate stopping physical and special threats? I only have six Pokemon, and I have to cover as many threats as I can with those. I'd much rather my walls be able to take on as many threats as possible and to be able to somewhat deal with almost everything instead of only being able to think about fighting half of the game. Even more, I can't afford to just have walls. All of my Pokemon need to be threats themselves. Blissey sucks at doing this. Cresselia always has a risk of starting to set up with Calm Mind or even Charge Beam, and once Cress gets enough boosts to hit hard with special attacks, you're in a world of trouble since it's hard to kill on both sides. Bronzong has Trick Room which just plain ruins most of those crazy high speed glass cannon sweepers, and he can Explode which is a humongous asset. With enough EVs, he can hit hard on either the physical or the special side as well. Blissey is doing what? It can twave (which cress also has) or Sing (Bronzong has a better version). It can Ice Beam and do no real damage to anything that isn't weak (Cresselia also boasts this capacity). It can stoss and pray they do something stupid like leave in their Pokemon that can't kill it so stoss can kill in four turns which is never going to happen. The only time you worry "Blissey is going to kill me!" is with Counterbliss, and that requires substantial sacrifices on Blissey's part. So I'm going to ask you how Blissey turns "switching into special threat" into "gaining an advantage in the match". I'm not denying Blissey can do such a thing, but it's not really easy despite what so many "Blissey is a magic shield" believers seem to think.
Also, I suppose I should address a few points here:
Farfetch'd is reasonable to bring up in circumstances in which it can be successful. I invoke its attacking abilities often when discussing the offensive abilities of Regigigas (in case you didn't know, Farfetch'd's max attack is slightly higher). The fact of the matter is that it's functionally similar to Heatran so I mentioned it. You seem unable to argue against the fact that Heatran doesn't mind Blissey being around all that much, and Heatran is a massive and very common threat. The math I did showed that Fire Blast is a fine answer to Blissey even if Blissey runs special defense; I don't want to repeat myself like that. It's kinda frustrating that you would hang on one extremely minor point I made while ignoring the bulk of what I have to say, and even when dealing with that point you'd ignore what I actually demonstrated and just repeat a factually incorrect assertion... Feel free to demonstrate that Blissey isn't 3HKO'd; that would be what would be needed to disprove me.
Also, I suppose I should address a few points here:
Farfetch'd is reasonable to bring up in circumstances in which it can be successful. I invoke its attacking abilities often when discussing the offensive abilities of Regigigas (in case you didn't know, Farfetch'd's max attack is slightly higher). The fact of the matter is that it's functionally similar to Heatran so I mentioned it. You seem unable to argue against the fact that Heatran doesn't mind Blissey being around all that much, and Heatran is a massive and very common threat. The math I did showed that Fire Blast is a fine answer to Blissey even if Blissey runs special defense; I don't want to repeat myself like that. It's kinda frustrating that you would hang on one extremely minor point I made while ignoring the bulk of what I have to say, and even when dealing with that point you'd ignore what I actually demonstrated and just repeat a factually incorrect assertion... Feel free to demonstrate that Blissey isn't 3HKO'd; that would be what would be needed to disprove me.
When has anyone ever said that? In fact Farfech'd is a most awesome attacking force of compost pokemons. (Unless they use tactics, or legends, but that's why the DISCONENET! button is there.)
Blissey scores a Defense tier of 128 raw. Maximum of 132 with Clam Nature.
The highest Physical Defense Tier is Regirock, who hits 123, 128 with +Bold and 252/252 EVs.
BTW: the highest current common physical wall is Cresselia. 126 max tier with 252/252 and Bold nature. Cresselia may not have the resistances of Forretress, but she overall has better defenses than forry.
Blissey on the other hand has an absurd Sp. Def level, to the point where the #2 pokemon on the list is Chansey, and that the #3 pokemon, Regice, requires 252/252 and a Calm nature to get the same level of Sp. Def as a 0/0 Blissey.
I don't think this is gamebreaking, because Blissey can't really do anything to a good subsitute user. In many cases, Bliss can't even break the sub, while the user on the other side can stat-up away.
I'm sorry but, quite honestly, I don't think that'll always happen. Sure, not having the best special wall in the game probably makes you weaker to special attacks (or perhaps means you can get raped by them), but not having a Blissey doesn't seem like any excuse for getting swept by a special pokemon.
I mean, for example, take Porygon-Z. It's a special attacker, is crazy powerful, and can even kill Blissey. Does that mean that you're gonna go down should one come out and you've not a special wall? Of course not; you've still got revenge kills, prediction, and all that at your disposal.
I mean, put it this way; if you got swept by a special attacker, be it Porygon-Z, Azelf, Gengar, Sceptile, Alakazam, Heatran, Starmie, Specsmence, whatever, do you think, "Well, I didn't have Blissey," would be an acceptable excuse for losing?
That's not to say special attackers aren't dangerous and that Blissey isn't the best special wall or anything, but I don't think special attackers should just walk over any team worth its salt, whether it carries egg whore or not.
There are Calm Mind Blisseys, you know. When the other person sends out a Mismagius, start Calm Minding up. Blissey usually can win because of the absurd SpDef, plus it gets the hax factor that Mismagius doesn't with HP Fighting.
To bad Calm Mind Bliss is barely used because Blissey has better stuff to do.
Are we talking about a "Pink Trapper", or "Egg Pull" ability? :P New Tyrouge evo ftw.
My current team has a bit of a fighting weakness, so I opted not to include Blissey. Where she can cover all special sweepers (barring SpecsLuke, and the oh-so-common Lo Adaptive PZ Hyper Beam), it's taking my team three specially tanky Pokemon. So she's awesome, but without her, special sweepers would take over the game. So she's necessarily evil.
My current team has a bit of a fighting weakness, so I opted not to include Blissey. Where she can cover all special sweepers (barring SpecsLuke, and the oh-so-common Lo Adaptive PZ Hyper Beam), it's taking my team three specially tanky Pokemon. So she's awesome, but without her, special sweepers would take over the game. So she's necessarily evil.
personally, I love to see blissey come out. hopefully I have ss up already, but if not, here's my disposal method.
Turn 1 - stereo-freakin-typical user sends in blissey
SB calls back whatever pimp is on the field and sends in TTar
Turn 2 - SB pulls out TTar and sends in Regirock
other user probably uses TWave or counter
Turn 3 - SB curses
other user soils itself.
Turn 1 - stereo-freakin-typical user sends in blissey
SB calls back whatever pimp is on the field and sends in TTar
Turn 2 - SB pulls out TTar and sends in Regirock
other user probably uses TWave or counter
Turn 3 - SB curses
other user soils itself.
Is there really any doubt about Blissey being gamebreaking. The piecacrap is on most OU teams, and there are pokemon taking moves for the only reason of killing bliss. Gengar carrying explode, Z carrying Hyperbeam, everything with 404+ hp carrying subpunch if only to counter bliss. Blissey's ability to wall every special threat, and thanks to that retarded HP some physical threats.
I personally hate blissey, but i have been using charm bliss lately with toxic, and it can wreak havoc on teams, and i have to say that its incredibly hard to deal with bliss, its Game Breaking
Dude, Blissey is a SHE. xD
OU praises Arceus, God of Pokemon, for not giving it WoW.
haha if only it could get around s-toss...
mismagius is actually a great blissey counter, other than cm variant.
I actually don't know about you guys, but my Blissey occurrences are kinda oddly rare considering I play a lot of ladder matches. It's not gamebreaking for me though, it's just one of those pokemon that requires teamwork to beat. Heh, encoring that things softboileds is nice....
Yeah, but seriously, I don't see it around all that much. Garchomp is the bigger pain for me.
Yeah, but seriously, I don't see it around all that much. Garchomp is the bigger pain for me.
And if Mismagius happens to carry Taunt? Blissey gets screwed. And I believe it was said (by Jumpman? by chaos?) in ADV that the ubiquity of Blissey works against her. Everyone worth their salt in battling has a counter for it. The fact that she is usually non threatening (attackwise) only makes it easier to set up on her.
Blissey does everything a Regice can do (practically..curse?) but better in EVERY SINGLE WAY.
A retarded slew of support and status, a huge movepool, instant recovery, better ability, stats that cause the appearance of hyper beams and close combats that wouldn't be without her.
blissey > regice.
there's a reason 43% of teams have them.
One word: Heracross
well, I personally don't think Blissey is gamebreaking, more like game-balancing, as many have said already.
However, on the physical side, though there are no equivalents of blissey in terms of pure stats, I'm surprised no one mentioned Intimidate. There is no "special" version of intimidate, but there's blissey. whoo...
(sure, intimidate only works temporarily, but it still shuts down physical sweepers until they switch out)
However, on the physical side, though there are no equivalents of blissey in terms of pure stats, I'm surprised no one mentioned Intimidate. There is no "special" version of intimidate, but there's blissey. whoo...
(sure, intimidate only works temporarily, but it still shuts down physical sweepers until they switch out)
If they have Taunt and Sub, that means they have only one attack. Either Shadow Ball (aka can't touch Blissey) or HP Fighting (aka can't touch Ghosts).
And whatever you send out to set up, they bring something that forces it out. Those cheap bastards! >=[
What about Heracross? Is it that he doesn't enjoy being Sing'd? Is it that the Blissey user can take a Pursuit and switch in Gliscor? Is it that everyone who uses Obi's Bliss hits Hera on the switch with Flamethrower? Be more specific.
Maybe it was the flamethrower part.