How do you know about that? Did you found it within the game coding, actually have a legit Shaymin and tried it yourself, or heard it from something else?
-
Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules.
-
Congrats to the winners of the 2024 Smog Awards!
It's offical, the new formes DON'T work on wifi or union room.
- Thread starter c l e a r
- Start date
No. I loaded the alternate forms to my diamond after SCV told me how he got the rotom forms. Then I battled him with the rotom alternate forms. I could not see them as the alternate forms but he could on platinum.
His platinum recognized them as the alternate forms because D/P is not programmed to revert them to the original forms.
Yeah, if your opponent has platinum he/she will see the alternate form.
What SCV thinks happened is that they had not decided how the alternate forms were going to work when platinum came out. I guess it makes sense. I checked what he told me and it is true. If you look at the place in .pkm files where the form data is kept. All pokemon I have checked have that set to 0, except the ones that had various forms before, shaymin, rotom and giratina.
beh, right now I'm caring a lot more about in game than I give about shoddy. If they put in on shoddy when we can't use it in wifi, It'd be pretty sour imo. >.>
in the video giratina vs dialga, dialga is raised to level fifty and i don't know if local battling does that.
That Dialga was level 50 all along. It was a local battle between a Dialga imported from Diamond to Platinum and an Origin Forme Giratina; both Pokémon had been trained from level 47 to level 50.
It is ironic that Game Freak had the foresight to program Rotom, Giratina and Shaymin's data in Diamond and Pearl's .pkm file with a special value that allows for distinction between multiple forms. The hackers have only now found this out; had they done this sooner, we could have anticipated which Pokémon would get new forms long before Platinum's announcement. For the record, the data for sprites, base stats, abilities and types is indeed absent from Diamond and Pearl's coding.
Clearly, Game Freak's original plan was to allow trading and battling with Diamond and Pearl; an alternate form traded to Diamond and Pearl would have been treated like a regular form, but upon being traded back to Platinum, it would have been in its new form (without having to manually switch it). It was supposed to be similar to the Deoxys scenario in the GBA games, with the exception that an alternate form used in a Diamond/Pearl game against a Platinum player would have appeared as it should to the Platinum player, but not to the player who actually used it. That would have been rather abnormal.
It is also highly likely that they only decided at a later stage that the use of Origin Forme would be dependent on the Platinum Orb, as would the use of Rotom's forms be on the overworld appliances. They obviously did not want to have the Platinum Orb accessible in Diamond/Pearl games (it would have been read as question marks and had no use); they also seemed to want to restrict the number of the same Rotom form to one per a game. Consequently, they made trading all new alternate forms impossible, even between two Platinum games. Since Union Room and Wi-Fi Club don't make distinctions between trades and battles or between Platinum players and Diamond/Pearl players - at least when communication is first created - that decision has taken its toll on Wi-Fi battles, as well.
Still, the thought of their having planned this since Diamond and Pearl only to end up setting limitations on Platinum has a certain irony to it. There was no trace of Deoxys' multiple forms in Ruby and Sapphire, and yet that did not prevent FireRed, LeafGreen and Emerald players from being able to battle Ruby/Sapphire players with Deoxys in one of its other forms.
We should just get a petition to have Pokemon games released on the same date, so issues like this one would not be so prevalent...
My thoughts exactly. Even if it is part of the coding, we have no idea what plans they have for the future, and it is far too early to just say that it's "official". I'm not getting my hopes up (I only want the game for the storyline & the tutors), but I am not going to just take it as a fact, whenthe game is barely a month old.
At least there's this :/ Better than nothing, IMO.
Yes, it works the same way for the rotom forms and giratina.
From what I've read, Platinum doesn't even work with PBR, so I would assume it's a no.
Damn.
Well that would make sense I guess.
How could you have Skymin on D/P if there's no data for it? It would probably end up changing back into its land forme.
Doesn't the pokemon hold its own data? It's current stats, typing, ability . . . I bet if you tried to level it up though that the game would act weirdly.
I'm confused now, has anyone contacted the NOJ to ask about this or if there will be any changes to the US game and what not? I feel like they ripped us off, and are contradicting themselves. If they want to get more sales, they need know that WiFi was the only reason for it to come to DS. Why the fuck would we buy Platinum now, since it's been proven that the alternate forms are shit if they don't work on Platinum or they can't even be used to battle with competitively in game. Nintendo is pissing me off, those SoBs!
No not really. If you can't use them on WiFi how are you going to battle competitively in the game. I mean c'mon, the max people know who actually play competitive Pokemon in real life is about 5. You people should take all aspects of the game, not just Shoddy Battle with a 'simulation'
you could uhhh...battle your friends in the union room??
Big deal if it's not on Wifi...I'm sure you battle on shoddy more like most people on here...and you can use it in game..which is still awesome.
and I'm sure 5th Gen pokemon will work for Skymin.