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ReaperX

This is my attempt in making a sandstorm trick room team, or trick storm team if you will. I think it looks pretty decent, but there is always room for suggestions. So here it goes...

The Team:
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Porygon2@ Leftovers *Pron*
Ability: Download
Bold Nature (+Defense -Attack)
Spread:164HP/140 Defense/204 Special Defense
Set:
-Trick Room
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Recover

This lead usually lets me set up Trick Room unless im up against a phaser that can put me to sleep, but I have a phase absorber that will be explained later. Porygon2 takes care of some popular leads such as Gyarados pretty well and get's the 1.5 special attack boost if it is bulky, it also takes care of Salamence and is made specifically to take a max special attack modest draco meteor from it.

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Cresselia@ Flame Orb *Psycho*
Ability: Levitate
Relaxed Nature (+Defense -Speed)
Spread:252HP/120 Defense/136 Special Defense
Set:
-Psycho Shift
-Trick Room
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

Yes, this is the phase absorber I was talking about earlier. The spread is made to take two modest max special attack shadow balls from Gengar, allowing me to rest and sleep talk till I get Trick Room set up. It works rather well if Gengar isn't holding a special attack increasing item. And it's Cresselia, the wall of all walls.

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Tyranitar@ Leftovers *Boah*
Ability: Sandstream
Quiet Nature (+Special Attack -Speed)
Spread:252HP/68 Attack/188 Special Attack
Set:
-Substitute
-Dark Pulse
-Focus Punch
-Thunderbolt

I was originally thinking of putting the choice band set in this team, but I eventually changed my mind because of the lack of type coverage. I learned to prefer type coverage over pure power with this team. This set covers way more types and of course still kills the two most commonly used walls Cresselia and Blissey. Yeah, I know the ice beam and earthquake variation of choice band tyranitar covers alot of types aswell but you can only use one of them at a time which sucks if your opponent switches, it just doesn't work well with trick room. It is also and obviously my sandstorm starter aswell.

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Machamp@ Leftovers *The Rock*
Ability: No Gaurd
Brave Nature (+Attack -Speed)
Spread:252HP/124Attack/132 Defense
Set:
-Dynamic Punch
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
-Earthquake

This guy is pretty nice with type coverage and is meant to take care of one of this teams main weaknesses, Heracross. Sadly, fire punch is a 2hko for a Heracross, but with trick room out Machamp usually get's the win. With it's spread it can take a choice banded close combat from it.

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Heatran@ Life Orb *PyroManiac*
Ability: Flash Fire
Quiet Nature (+Special Attack -Speed)
Spread:172HP/84 Attack/252 Special Attack
Set:
-Flamethrower
-Earth Power
-Hidden Power (ice)
-Explosion

Heh, this thing is deadly with trick room out and is my main blissey killer. With it's spread, it always KO's blisseys that are dumb enough to switch into it with explosion. It also doesn't have a bad type coverage and it provides a much needed bug risistance for my team.
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Bronzong@ Leftovers *Zong*
Ability: Levitate
Relaxed Nature (+Defense -Speed)
Spread: 244HP/136 Defense/124 Special Defense
Set:
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Trick Room
-Stealth Rocks

I made this Bronzong as wally as possible so I can set up trick room and stealth rocks. (Yes, I know "wally" isn't a word.) I didn't put hypnosis in this guys set because of my Cresselia having a sleep phasing move. Heh, it's also fun to see Infernapes switch into it while I set up trick room and earthquake it to death.

Threat List:
Tyranitar: One of this teams biggest weaknesses. With trick room not out, the only thing that can wall this is Bronzong. With trick room out, machamp can ohko this thing.

Gyarados: Porygon2 and Tyranitar can take care of this guy.

Infernape: Without trick room out, the only thing that can take a hit and give a hit to this thing would be Machamp, but with trick room out, Machamp, Bronzong, and Heatran can be the answer.

Azelf: Tyranitar with or without trick room can own this thing, but with trick room out, Heatran or Machamp can 2hko.

Electivire: Bronzong can wall this, and eq it to death, and cresselia can set up trick room on it or burn it.

Heracross:This teams biggest weakness. Machamp would be the best bet for this thing in my team, but with trick room out heatran can take care of this thing.

Salamence: Porygon2 and heatran can take care of this guy. (Heatran needs trick room)

Togekiss:Tyranitar can take care of this guy with sub t-bolt action, but there is always heatran with hidden power ice and porygon2 with ice beam/t-bolt.

Gengar: Tyranitar can take care of it, but with trick room out heatran should 2hko this thing at the very least.

Garchomp: Porygon2, and cresselia and bronzong wall this thing. Also machamp ice punches him hard.

Lucario: Nothing much can stop him without trick room, but with trick room there is Heatran, Bronzong, Machamp, and maybe Tyranitar if it's subbed up.

Starmie: Tyranitar can stop this guy, but there is always Porygon2.

Weavile: This thing can be walled and destroyed by Bronzong, but there is always Machamp/Heatran with trick room.

Dugtrio: Can be destroyed by Machamp or Heatran with trick room thanks to it's low defenses and hp.

Porygon-Z: Tyranitar, porygon2, and cresselia can wall this.

Machamp: Can be walled by Cresselia or Bronzong. I'm going to need a 2hko on this guy which I can see happening with trick room and sandstorm out.

Snorlax: Machamp and Tyranitar could destroy him.

Zapdos: Porygon2 download it's defense owning this thing with ice beam. There is always tyranitar that can wall this aswell.

Suicune: Porygon2 downloads it special attack and can 2hko this thing, but there is always exploding heatran if things get desprate.

Breloom: With trick room out I can own this thing with Machamp or Heatran.

Ninjask: Lolz, this pokemon is useless against a trick room team.

Metagross: Heatran and Machamp take care of him well, but it can always be walled by Bronzong and eq'd to death.

Heatran: My heatran owns any other in trick room, but there is always bronzong with trick room out or machamp.

Celebi: My best bet would be heatran, but there is always porygon2 if celebi has a bulkier physical defense. O yeah Tyranitar.

Jirachi: Tyranitar and heatran with or without trick room.

Dragonite: Porygon2, Heatran with trick room, and Machamp with Ice punch.

Mamoswine: Machamp can own this thing with or without trick room, but there is always bronzong that can wall this thing.

Gallade: I might have trouble with this thing if it is banded... Machamp is my safest bet right now. But if I get it burned, it shouldn't be a problem.

Yanmega: Heh, this thing is pretty useless against a trick room team aswell. Porygon2 get's the 1.5 special attack boost from this thing and almost ohko's. There is also heatran with trick room.

Kingdra: Cresselia and Porygon2 can wall this, Heatran can explode on this aswell if things get desprate.

Roserade: Heatran can own this in trick room, Machamp is a safe bet too.

Scizor: Heatran and Machamp can own this with trick room out.
 
3 Trick Roomers might be more than enough. I'd give Cresselia an attacking move and run Brave nature on Machamp.
 
toddy010 said:
A little weak to lucario, nough said.
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I swear to god... this is a GREAT example of a HORRIBLE post.

You could at least give some kind of advice.

Bronzong can TR in Lucario's face and own with EQ. As long as you don't let him set up a SD(which no one on your team does), your fine.
 
Nothing really counters Luke unless you know the set it has. Cressy can be an iffy counter at best, but if you burn it, Luke will be not happy. Something T-waving it would also rain on its parade, but with a T-room team that is not the best idea. I cannot really give a reliable counter, but Zong should handle it with EQ.
 
Assuming they bring in Lucario on anything on his team:

Porygon2: Lucario can OHKO, but predicting otherwise and trying to SD or hit a switch-in will lead to Trick Room being set up. While it may die, at least he rest of the team doesn't.

Cresselia: once again, Trick Room. Doesn't like being burned, either.

Tyranitar: you can sub up and prepare a Focus Punch if he trys anything fishy.

Machamp: DynamicPunch.

Heatran: [Insert Fire Attack here]

Bronzong: Main revenge killer, you can easily set up TR and prepare to OHKO with EQ.

In my opinion, unless he gets paralyzed or plays stupid, Lucario won't sweep this team anytime soon. Though his prescence is NOT to be underestimated.
 
Is there a particular reason why you choose download over trace as trait for Porygon 2? Is the extra boost closing the gap between 2HKOing to OHKOing something specific?

Trace is an amazing ability for porygon 2, you intimidate back Gyara and Salamence, gives you some free switches into Vaporeon and Heatran, you can revenge trap/kill Dugtrios, it can give you some luck resort against Garchomps... you should consider it.
 
You have a glaring Lucario weakness, notable the Swords Dance variant although Specs Lucario can shake your team up a little. We can assume Trick Room isn't always up. Here Lucario can set up and sweep. The only thing that can stop it is Cresselia, but it may not last long at all seeing that Crunch is a 2HKO.

Heracross weak, I should point out. Although with prediction you might be able to take it down. =\

You should also note that all 3 of your Trick Roomers can be easily taken down by BandTar. Crunch won't allow Cresselia, Bronzong or Porygon2 while Pursuit will kill you as your switching out. Leaving it in when TTar comes in to revenge kill isn't an option either as they will fall before Tyranitar does. I would really try to fix this weakness.

Another problem would be lack of speed. All of your pokemon are VERY slow, especially with a negative speed nature on top of it. Once again, speedy pokemons can potentially sweep you once Trick Room goes out of effect. In this kind of situation, you would want a really fast pokemon that can revenge kill or counter these pokemons, such as Deoxys-E, Dugtrio or Scarf something.

If you do read the two above paragraph, Dugtrio will obviously help you immensely, allowing you to be fast when Trick Room isn't up as well as having the ability to revenge kill Tyranitar to stop it cause havocs.


Now looking at Proygon2, as Chronopolian said, is there any reason why you would choose Download? Trace is a really good... bah! He states everything that I would've said.
 
Junior said:
You have a glaring Lucario weakness, notable the Swords Dance variant although Specs Lucario can shake your team up a little. We can assume Trick Room isn't always up. Here Lucario can set up and sweep. The only thing that can stop it is Cresselia, but it may not last long at all seeing that Crunch is a 2HKO.

Heracross weak, I should point out. Although with prediction you might be able to take it down. =\

You should also note that all 3 of your Trick Roomers can be easily taken down by BandTar. Crunch won't allow Cresselia, Bronzong or Porygon2 while Pursuit will kill you as your switching out. Leaving it in when TTar comes in to revenge kill isn't an option either as they will fall before Tyranitar does. I would really try to fix this weakness.

Another problem would be lack of speed. All of your pokemon are VERY slow, especially with a negative speed nature on top of it. Once again, speedy pokemons can potentially sweep you once Trick Room goes out of effect. In this kind of situation, you would want a really fast pokemon that can revenge kill or counter these pokemons, such as Deoxys-E, Dugtrio or Scarf something.

If you do read the two above paragraph, Dugtrio will obviously help you immensely, allowing you to be fast when Trick Room isn't up as well as having the ability to revenge kill Tyranitar to stop it cause havocs.


Now looking at Proygon2, as Chronopolian said, is there any reason why you would choose Download? Trace is a really good... bah! He states everything that I would've said.
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Here you state that the only thing that can stop lucario is cresselia... with trick room set up half the team can stop lucario. I have 3 trick roomers for a reason. And lolz, banded tar wrecks teams all the time, but with trick room out machamp can own it because of it's dark rock risistance and bulky spread. You also state that my team needs some speed, lolz, I expect trick room to be out the majority of the time and if I were to have any fast pokes like dugtrio, It would just be a waste of a poke. For the download/trace thing for porygon2, I will consider having trace. Even though I would prefer the 1.5 special attack boost from Gyarados and other bulky leads instead of their ability. To tell you the truth, there aren't many good abilities out there to trace.
 
Volt Absorb from Jolteon.... Intimidate from Gyarados and Salamence, Sand Veil from Chomp(so u won't take SS damage, along with 20% evasion), Arena Trap from Dugtrio, and even Wobbuffet's Shadow Tag, allowing you to switch out without the use of a Shed Shell. Milotic's Marvel Scale when your statused, Ninjask's Speed Boost, Levitate from Gengar and Cresselia(among others), Breloom's Poison Heal, and Multiple others. You say that there aren't that many uses for Trace over Download, and I've only gotten started. I could keep going, especially since on AA's server, my standard starter is a Trace Latias(which kicks soooooo much ass, by the way).
 
To tell you the truth, there aren't many good abilities out there to trace.

Volt absorb, Intimidate, Flash Fire, Motor Drive, Arena Trap, Water absorb, etc.

Anyway, you're pretty Heracross weak. In a worst case scenario, Heracross ends up burned by cresselia and then nothing can live through its attecks. I recommend Dusknoir with fire punch over since Gliscor is a bit too speedy for a trick room team. Duskoir could replace Bronzong as your third trick roomer.
 
RedSP said:
To tell you the truth, there aren't many good abilities out there to trace.

Volt absorb, Intimidate, Flash Fire, Motor Drive, Arena Trap, Water absorb, etc.

Anyway, you're pretty Heracross weak. In a worst case scenario, Heracross ends up burned by cresselia and then nothing can live through its attecks. I recommend Dusknoir with fire punch over since Gliscor is a bit too speedy for a trick room team. Duskoir could replace Bronzong as your third trick roomer.
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Why trace is useless:
Volt absorb- Your opponent isn't dumb enough to hit you with an electric attack so it useless.
Intimidate- Good for gyarados but I prefer the 1.5 special attack boost.
Flash fire- Your opponent won't be dumb enough to hit you with a fire attack
Motor Drive- Same as volt absorb
Arena Trap- Lolz, Dugtrio will be trapped. I don't want to stay in on a choice banded earthquake.
Water Absorb- Your opponent isn't dumb enough to hit you with a water attack.
etc. I will reply to more if you want.
But yes, dusknoir would stop heracross... heh, that is actually some good advice ty.
 
That's why you switch it in..... then, like if a vaporeon tried to Surf your (BAN ME PLEASE)tar, you would get a free switch and recover HP. Other than Gyarados, what is Download useful against that Trace couldn't do better.
 
Articanus said:
That's why you switch it in..... then, like if a vaporeon tried to Surf your (BAN ME PLEASE)tar, you would get a free switch and recover HP. Other than Gyarados, what is Download useful against that Trace couldn't do better.
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Okay lolz, This trace/download thing has gone on long enough. In my opinion I like download, but in the majority of you peoples opinion you like trace, which is probably the better ability, but I just prefer download. It's a matter of opinion I guess. :/ Lolz, can someone give me a link to a rmt that has a threat list so I can copy and paste, I really don't feel like typing up one. Ty in advance.
 
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