Oh no, I have to build 400 gold worth of resistances now!I'm making the intelligent decision to never pick Tanky DPS Nidalee again. Cause she's just not worth it anymore.
Never playing that champ again.
Oh no, I have to build 400 gold worth of resistances now!I'm making the intelligent decision to never pick Tanky DPS Nidalee again. Cause she's just not worth it anymore.
am i reading this....?Oh no, I have to build 400 gold worth of resistances now!
Never playing that champ again.
?Oh no, I have to build 400 gold worth of resistances now!
Actually I think it's more like 1500...Oh no, I have to build 400 gold worth of resistances now!
Never playing that champ again.
i trie 2 make this the nicest way posible, but your entire playstyle itself is complete anti teamworkbery big post
You do realize that still takes cash that could be going into a different stat (or even more tankiness right)? This makes as much sense as saying removing Vayne's atk steroid from her ult is ok since you can just buy a BF to make up for it.You'll just need to actually invest in defenses to be as tanky as you were before.
Taking away a BF Sword's worth of gold IS a gamebreaking nerf. How would you feel if Riot made Vayne's Final Hour give 10 bonus AD instead of 55? Cause goldwise, that's basically what Riot did to Nida.I guess when I made the comment I didn't have a calculator at my side to calculate the individual stat efficiency to find out how much gold you were losing, sorry.
And I honestly want to know what's stopping you from just...building resistances. You don't have to give up too much damage to do it. You can pick up Abyssal/Athenes and Zhonya's if you're AP Nid, or one of Maw/Wit's End and one of Atmas/Iceborn/Sunfire if you're AD. Just means that if you want to play a bruiser-esque Nidalee you'll have to build differently instead of just going straight AP. You still have a heal and a spamable dash to get you out of trouble.
You'll just need to actually invest in defenses to be as tanky as you were before.
EDIT: I'm unhappy with all of the complaints (not just here) about the Nidalee nerfs. At least your champion got some time in the sun and is still playable afterwards! Some champions who went FoTM just got outright destroyed (see: old Eve, old Xin, Diana, Rengar). With all the free power Nidalee has in her kit (traps that have the resistance shred of a Void Staff and Last Whisper? free movement speed in brush and a jump on a 4 second cooldown?), at least they didn't touch a key part of her.
dude liandry is 15 magic pen black cleaver takes stacks to get high armor pen in and they don't null your resistances they just eat 25% max...i can't believe i'm actually reading this, especially when someone questions how important being tanky is for a splitpusher...With Black Cleaver and Liandries all over the place how much do your resistances mean anyways?
I'm sure you didn't mean this literally, but it's been noteworthy to me that around a third of my solo Q wins have involved a lot of teamwork. I remember one game I fed Akali two kills in lane cuz I'm bad, but instead of getting upset at me my team responded by all buying pink wards (it was a relatively low kill game). One fight we dropped two pink wards into her shroud, had a little laugh about it, then decided that Lulu would drop her pinks first next fight. Now this isn't some amazing strategy that we came up with, but it was a team adaptation to an unforeseen issue, and as minute as it seems, it really brought us together as a team and we proceeded to roll through to a super fast victory.Considering literally no Solo Q team ever works together at any ELO....
Good luck with that.
can u figure out what u did wrong in this post? i give u hint. it has to do with "vayne's ad steroid" and "it's much easier to nidalee to invest in defenses [than] vayne"And no, it's not the same thing as removing Vayne's AD steroid. Most AD carry items do not come with defenses, while many AP items do. Thus, it's much easier for Nidalee to invest in defenses then Vayne.
You missed the point entirely, I was talking about losing gold in stats, not defenses. Stop getting so hung up on the idea that Nidalee can buy resistances, it really is completely irrelevant to this discussion.And no, it's not the same thing as removing Vayne's AD steroid. Most AD carry items do not come with defenses, while many AP items do. Thus, it's much easier for Nidalee to invest in defenses then Vayne.
.I love how nobody addressed all the free stuff Nidalee has in her kit. Dash on a 4 sec CD that costs no mana? Manaless wave clear? Traps that shed a Last Whisper and Void Staff's worth of resists? Skillshot nuke that deals up to 250% damage?
What would you rather have removed? One of those things? Or some armor and MR.
I think you'd prefer what Riot did then, say, people not having to recall after being hit by one spear.
Go ahead and list what abilities a champ has. You can make anything sound OP that way.Hugh Myronbrough said:A passive that gives you free stats just for getting low health.
A Q that is an AoE nuke AND a multiperson heal.
A W that is a slow AND a speedboost.
A E that is both a shield AND a ridiculous nuke.
A R that literally adds even more power to all her abilities.
This is ridiculous. Karma is everything that pre-S1 Janna was times two. Karma is beyond S Tier in so many ways, and it's literally making the game unplayable.
But that doesn't even concern the point at hand lol... people were addressing you saying buying armor and mr is ok 'just like that'. Nidalee has a fuckton of skills, i can list jayce's and elise's too just because they bring a lot of dmg / utility like it's to be expected from every 6 skill champ, but nidalee has shortcomings such as lack of CC and her newfound extreme frailty that isn't exclusive to her human form anymore. she isn't malphite in a sense that if you fall behind you're still offering your team huge amounts of CC and i find those nerfs unecessary simply because in my opinion nidalee was never OP just ridiculously omfg annoying to face, and if the problem is her spears, then nerf her bloody spears and not do what they did to sona and remove armor from a champ that isn't 'resillent in lane' as they said.I love how nobody addressed all the free stuff Nidalee has in her kit. Dash on a 4 sec CD that costs no mana? Manaless wave clear? Traps that shed a Last Whisper and Void Staff's worth of resists? Skillshot nuke that deals up to 250% damage?
What would you rather have removed? One of those things? Or some armor and MR.
I think you'd prefer what Riot did then, say, people not having to recall after being hit by one spear.
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Go ahead and list what abilities a champ has. You can make anything sound OP that way.
You missed the point. mtr was making the point not that Karma is strong but that champs have abilities, and you can list abilities and out of context make them sound strong. By themselves, abilities in a list are not arguments for overpoweredness. Versatility is one of Nidalee's specific strengths as a form-changing champion, so you can't just say 'she has lots of abilities' and expect that to fly as a justification for her being OP by itself; furthermore, the nerf was undoubtedly harsh and may have hit her from the wrong angle. (I have no opinion as I don't play Nidalee and don't care. I just hate her.) Also, her warranting nerfs does not mean the nerf itself was appropriate in severity or execution.Please compare Karma's list to Nidalees and then decide whether it was a good idea to post that. You just proved my point: Nid has so much unnecessary shit in her kit that the nerfs were justified.
EDIT: Katarina and Akali are both frail and neither of them use mana or have CC. Your argument is invalid.
Katarina and Akali also have much more DPS than a Tanky Nidalee could ever aspire to put out. Also, with Warmogs Rush builds, neither of them are too "frail."Please compare Karma's list to Nidalees and then decide whether it was a good idea to post that. You just proved my point: Nid has so much unnecessary shit in her kit that the nerfs were justified.
EDIT: Katarina and Akali are both frail and neither of them use mana or have CC. Your argument is invalid.
TBH I'd rather spears and traps got gutted than cougar defenses, but that's just me.Please compare Karma's list to Nidalees and then decide whether it was a good idea to post that. You just proved my point: Nid has so much unnecessary shit in her kit that the nerfs were justified.
EDIT: Katarina and Akali are both frail and neither of them use mana or have CC. Your argument is invalid.
EDIT 2: I think being squishy is a perfectly reasonable drawback for the amount of mobility and poke Nid has. Maybe I'm the only one...