lol...I'm 1162 which is still lower then Rodan's but at least I'm silver.
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lol...I'm 1162 which is still lower then Rodan's but at least I'm silver.
i just played a game with rivington the third
he was not very good
he was not very good
i just played a game with rivington the third
he was not very good
You played against Rivington?
Damn, you should've heckled his 3/9 lol.
this is late and im sure many of you have seen it before but i saw this again in one of my bookmarks folder and figured it was worth posting in reference to that discussion about spending money on this game we had a bit ago and also because i just got my bank statement today yeah!
i just like being pretty ok
also i found out there was a gay league players subreddit. the screenshot reminded me of it because i dont think i can look at him or elementz the same way ever again x___x
i just like being pretty ok
also i found out there was a gay league players subreddit. the screenshot reminded me of it because i dont think i can look at him or elementz the same way ever again x___x
Just had to share this.
No, this isn't bots, as the winnings should attest to.
ACKLOW
FUCK YOU AND YOUR SKYPE CALL ;_;
FUCK YOU AND YOUR SKYPE CALL ;_;
So I went to MLG today.
Random MLG stuff:
-League is NOT the main attraction there, Starcraft had 3 fucking screens and Halo 4 had an absurd number of spectators
-Nobody cosplays anything except league - there was a Renegade Talon, a Justicar Syndra, and a Janna. My friend tells me there was a Varus too, but I didn't see him.
-TheOddOne is really short
-HotShotGG looks even sleazier in real life
-The Dallas Convention Center is really big
-MaKNooN was easily the most popular player there - everytime he did something good, people would start yelling his name
-FUCK BLAZE
Random MLG stuff:
-League is NOT the main attraction there, Starcraft had 3 fucking screens and Halo 4 had an absurd number of spectators
-Nobody cosplays anything except league - there was a Renegade Talon, a Justicar Syndra, and a Janna. My friend tells me there was a Varus too, but I didn't see him.
-TheOddOne is really short
-HotShotGG looks even sleazier in real life
-The Dallas Convention Center is really big
-MaKNooN was easily the most popular player there - everytime he did something good, people would start yelling his name
-FUCK BLAZE
OH MAN YOU GOT MAKNOON'S SIGNATURE I'M SO JEALOUS :<
that sounds awesome though! i'm not surprised that LoL isn't the main attraction. two of my suitemates were actually watching Starcraft earlier today as I was watching Blaze vs CLG.eu. a lot of hype about Flash vs Life, etc, etc
what i loved most about the finals is the sportsmanship from Najin and especially maknoon, who was smiling and hugged azubu and congratulated them. great stuff.
korean teams completely outplayed every other team there - dignitas honestly had the best chance of any north american team because of the sheer amount of innovation they had; their 0-2 against Blaze doesn't do the set justice at all. CLG.eu put up a good fight but were dominated by Blaze who are honestly looking like the new M5 but cleaner technically and crisper in their executions.
i would not hesitate to place najin, both azubus, and TPA as the best teams in the world right now.
that sounds awesome though! i'm not surprised that LoL isn't the main attraction. two of my suitemates were actually watching Starcraft earlier today as I was watching Blaze vs CLG.eu. a lot of hype about Flash vs Life, etc, etc
what i loved most about the finals is the sportsmanship from Najin and especially maknoon, who was smiling and hugged azubu and congratulated them. great stuff.
korean teams completely outplayed every other team there - dignitas honestly had the best chance of any north american team because of the sheer amount of innovation they had; their 0-2 against Blaze doesn't do the set justice at all. CLG.eu put up a good fight but were dominated by Blaze who are honestly looking like the new M5 but cleaner technically and crisper in their executions.
i would not hesitate to place najin, both azubus, and TPA as the best teams in the world right now.
Apprently League was standing room only and SC2 had plenty of empty seats there with several screens, League only had 1 screen. MLG's always behind, apparently when SC2 was big there wasn't enough coverage and now that League is big, MLG hasn't adapted yet to the popularity shift yet.
Yeah, I was gonna say, it might be the bigger draw in real life (which apparently is partially MLG's doing) but the stream viewcounts weren't even close, even counting SC2's as a composite. Oh MLG...
I was kinda glad Azubu Blaze did so well in this tournament. Not sure why everyone forgot about them... they were that scary Korean team that was gonna beat everyone not too long ago, not sure why they left people's minds so much. Love their botlane, seems like that's the weakness of most of the Asian teams, but their bot is pretty fantastic.
I'm also really glad that some of the Koreans are getting so popular. While I'm definitely one of those fans that wants to see a North American team winning events, they both aren't as good as the rest of the world and significantly less mature as well, so I'm glad to see the players who deserve it more like MaKNooN getting the love. It was really interesting seeing Najin's reaction to losing the finals... the reception they gave Azubu Blaze was sure unlike how TSM and CLG looked after their MLG finals matches, don't you think?
I was kinda glad Azubu Blaze did so well in this tournament. Not sure why everyone forgot about them... they were that scary Korean team that was gonna beat everyone not too long ago, not sure why they left people's minds so much. Love their botlane, seems like that's the weakness of most of the Asian teams, but their bot is pretty fantastic.
I'm also really glad that some of the Koreans are getting so popular. While I'm definitely one of those fans that wants to see a North American team winning events, they both aren't as good as the rest of the world and significantly less mature as well, so I'm glad to see the players who deserve it more like MaKNooN getting the love. It was really interesting seeing Najin's reaction to losing the finals... the reception they gave Azubu Blaze was sure unlike how TSM and CLG looked after their MLG finals matches, don't you think?
Walrein said:
nope; that was halo 4
You went there the wrong day, it was standing room only yesterday.
I'm going back and forth from Fifa to LoL and both are unplayable for me. Fifa disconnects me all the time in ultimate team unless its after midnight til early afternoon the next day because EA can't take shit internet (never disconnect from LoL, only EA, even offline modes which require internet). As for Riot... all Australians want is decent connection. We automatically have 200 ping, and with lag it ranges from 350-400 which is unplayable.
yes omg. i have never gone below 200 ping. the lowest ping on LoL i have ever had is 203 or something if i am lucky.
For one, probably because they didn't make Worlds over Frost. Secondly, Shy is mostly who carried them and he's a Frost player subbing for them. ;[
It's like WoW man, nobody plays Fire Mages.
Do someone play odd junglers?
There are tons of underrated junglers that are actually really strong :
- Karthus, this is no secret, his clearing power is just insane and you'll get items trust me. His presence during a teamfight is just godlike, and the pressure he puts once he hits 6 is gamebreaking. His ganks thanks to the wall are just fine by the way, his amazing damage output helps alot here.
- Ezreal.. I'm really gonna play it more often. Your mistic shot can trigger the wriggle effect (plus the life steal of course), so in fact you clear it REALLY FAST. His ganks are insane, especially mid (a little like shaco) and once you grab a red buff it's really easy to do a kill... like really easy. I believe Wriggle Aegis Frozen Mallet with some Dorans and a Brutaliser if you're doing good is a good item path. I just went legendary with this two ranked in a row whereas everybody was like "godamn this troll". I recommend using it with a Mid Laner that doesn't need blue.
-Leona, I see nobody playing this. The reason is that her clearing abilities are just awful. But she got probably after the level 6 the BEST GANK ABILITY. Her ultimate is almost impossible to avoid if you do it well (Flash..), she got this gap closer and another stun. This pick is for specific cases, it works like an Alistar. I'd say there are just better options most of the time in Maokai (this type of CChouse) but seriously once your ultimate is up it's a garanteed kill. With decent help at start of your jungle during the pull, you can really proceed to support the lane well.
- Renekton, he just has everything needed to be a great jungler pick. I wonder why nobody does pick him. His clearing time is good, he got a built-in sustain and aoe damage.
His ganks are also insane and this, since the level 2 (for the fast gank top lane) with his potential double dash and the stun. It's a blown up flash/kill garanteed.
I don't feel like I need to argue, Renekton is just insane as jungler and even with not much farm, can proceed to dish some damages with his ultimate.
- Taric, I didn't play it alot but a friend of mine (that has by the way a great level, hitting the 2K spot) told me that it's great. His damage is good and it's aoe thanks to Shatter. Moreover no need to tell you that he's bulky enough to jungle with the armor buff and the big Heal. To finish, with this ranged stun.. well ganks are bloody.
- Vayne. Same as Ezreal, her jungle is just a little harder given the loss of all the spells. Moreover she's somehow easier to kill and doesn't have as much range. However her Condemn is an insane tool when ganking the side lane if the bush is warded. She can also snowball from nothing and manage to deal insane amount of damage once she get some items and that can be a great asset to any team who has enough tanks already.
Now there are tons of other possible junglers. I already tried Malz as jungler, and seriously it works great past some levels if you secured your blue. His ultimate is also so strong when ganking and given all his spells, his clearing time is fast if you got enough mana to back it up.
Same goes for things like Zyra etc.
Not to say that unexpected junglers (or anything) can be a great asset when picking during a ranked selection (provided nobody trolls you for your pick) because enemies will try to counter (let's say your Karthus with.. ahm Fizz, or Talon.. even if it sucks in fact) and get doomed in the end.
There are tons of underrated junglers that are actually really strong :
- Karthus, this is no secret, his clearing power is just insane and you'll get items trust me. His presence during a teamfight is just godlike, and the pressure he puts once he hits 6 is gamebreaking. His ganks thanks to the wall are just fine by the way, his amazing damage output helps alot here.
- Ezreal.. I'm really gonna play it more often. Your mistic shot can trigger the wriggle effect (plus the life steal of course), so in fact you clear it REALLY FAST. His ganks are insane, especially mid (a little like shaco) and once you grab a red buff it's really easy to do a kill... like really easy. I believe Wriggle Aegis Frozen Mallet with some Dorans and a Brutaliser if you're doing good is a good item path. I just went legendary with this two ranked in a row whereas everybody was like "godamn this troll". I recommend using it with a Mid Laner that doesn't need blue.
-Leona, I see nobody playing this. The reason is that her clearing abilities are just awful. But she got probably after the level 6 the BEST GANK ABILITY. Her ultimate is almost impossible to avoid if you do it well (Flash..), she got this gap closer and another stun. This pick is for specific cases, it works like an Alistar. I'd say there are just better options most of the time in Maokai (this type of CChouse) but seriously once your ultimate is up it's a garanteed kill. With decent help at start of your jungle during the pull, you can really proceed to support the lane well.
- Renekton, he just has everything needed to be a great jungler pick. I wonder why nobody does pick him. His clearing time is good, he got a built-in sustain and aoe damage.
His ganks are also insane and this, since the level 2 (for the fast gank top lane) with his potential double dash and the stun. It's a blown up flash/kill garanteed.
I don't feel like I need to argue, Renekton is just insane as jungler and even with not much farm, can proceed to dish some damages with his ultimate.
- Taric, I didn't play it alot but a friend of mine (that has by the way a great level, hitting the 2K spot) told me that it's great. His damage is good and it's aoe thanks to Shatter. Moreover no need to tell you that he's bulky enough to jungle with the armor buff and the big Heal. To finish, with this ranged stun.. well ganks are bloody.
- Vayne. Same as Ezreal, her jungle is just a little harder given the loss of all the spells. Moreover she's somehow easier to kill and doesn't have as much range. However her Condemn is an insane tool when ganking the side lane if the bush is warded. She can also snowball from nothing and manage to deal insane amount of damage once she get some items and that can be a great asset to any team who has enough tanks already.
Now there are tons of other possible junglers. I already tried Malz as jungler, and seriously it works great past some levels if you secured your blue. His ultimate is also so strong when ganking and given all his spells, his clearing time is fast if you got enough mana to back it up.
Same goes for things like Zyra etc.
Not to say that unexpected junglers (or anything) can be a great asset when picking during a ranked selection (provided nobody trolls you for your pick) because enemies will try to counter (let's say your Karthus with.. ahm Fizz, or Talon.. even if it sucks in fact) and get doomed in the end.
There are only few junglers that can FORCE kills. By this I mean come on a lane likenotasinglefuckisgiven and get a kill. By this I'm looking at Lee Sin for instance.
But the jungle is far more complicated as there are tons of way to jungle.
Sometimes I go Udyr, close my chat, and almost never gank (only countergank) and focus on farming and counter jungle. Most of the time you can totally outlevel your opponent jungle and get as much farm as the solo lane.
However Karthus jungle is insane in the sense that it can easily be like a second AP carry when you're in a team fight given the damage output.
So yes, only few junglers can gank at any given time and still have strong abilities to both clear and counter while remaining healthy (it also imply the junglers that can take oracles fast without being too crippled after).
But, there are seriously underrated junglers, like Ezreal and Karthus that just have insane clearing time and can turn to be in fact carries, and this is great in the case of SoloQ.
Ezreal ganks are just great with red buff and in my opinion you need to witness/try it to realise the power of this pick.
By the way, I find ridiculous that most of the people just start blue as a no-brainer. Like, when you got Alistar and you're top side (purple team), imo you NEED to start red and grab this EASY kill lvl 2 top. It just wins shit tons of games, and you don't need blue that much with a decent pull from your team.
But the jungle is far more complicated as there are tons of way to jungle.
Sometimes I go Udyr, close my chat, and almost never gank (only countergank) and focus on farming and counter jungle. Most of the time you can totally outlevel your opponent jungle and get as much farm as the solo lane.
However Karthus jungle is insane in the sense that it can easily be like a second AP carry when you're in a team fight given the damage output.
So yes, only few junglers can gank at any given time and still have strong abilities to both clear and counter while remaining healthy (it also imply the junglers that can take oracles fast without being too crippled after).
But, there are seriously underrated junglers, like Ezreal and Karthus that just have insane clearing time and can turn to be in fact carries, and this is great in the case of SoloQ.
Ezreal ganks are just great with red buff and in my opinion you need to witness/try it to realise the power of this pick.
By the way, I find ridiculous that most of the people just start blue as a no-brainer. Like, when you got Alistar and you're top side (purple team), imo you NEED to start red and grab this EASY kill lvl 2 top. It just wins shit tons of games, and you don't need blue that much with a decent pull from your team.
if you grab red at level one on someone like amumu or alistar and try something risky like a level 2 gank top, you WILL have to go back immediately after because you won't have enough mana to do a clear. in addition, most champions that start blue do it with the intention of jungling until level three or four. if you try to level two gank on amumu, for instance, you go back into jungle without both your W and your E and severely slow your jungle speed.
unorthodox junglers are okay but the reason that most of them aren't picked is because they are severely outclassed by existing junglers. ezreal, karthus, and vayne are incredibly squishy and are easily counter-jungled and are effectively shut down with proper warding. taric and leona have CC but are painfully slow and can't win a 1v1 in jungle to save their lives. renekton is a worse udyr in almost every way - clear time, dueling potential, ganking ability, etc.
unorthodox junglers aren't picked mostly because of how easily they can be shut down, so if you're in a solo queue game that's pretty low level you can probably get away with picking one of them and dicking around.
unorthodox junglers are okay but the reason that most of them aren't picked is because they are severely outclassed by existing junglers. ezreal, karthus, and vayne are incredibly squishy and are easily counter-jungled and are effectively shut down with proper warding. taric and leona have CC but are painfully slow and can't win a 1v1 in jungle to save their lives. renekton is a worse udyr in almost every way - clear time, dueling potential, ganking ability, etc.
unorthodox junglers aren't picked mostly because of how easily they can be shut down, so if you're in a solo queue game that's pretty low level you can probably get away with picking one of them and dicking around.
Ahm, first I never even thought once second of Amumu taking a red buff level 1, it's just silly unlesss your own blue is being invaded and you can't risk the invasion.
For Alistar, you should try it, because obviously I did and I ensure you that you can clear the camps you need to hit a decent level without beeing forced back.
You don't need (if mid lane and top helps you.. what they should be doing anyway) to waste your pulverise on the wraith camp.
For the red one, you can use it since anyway you'll regenerate it during the gank etc.
Most of the time you get the kill top or mid anyway so that's not so big of a deal to go back early with an Alistar as you can upgrade boots if you were involved in the firstblood (I also run gold runes/masteries as it should be for this matter). And you DONT, never, ever take gold items first without upgrading your boots with Alistar. So you don't need that much gold to make this back-to-fountain worthy since the +5 boost is just your biggest tool.
I want to underline that I'm not inventing anything there, Alistar played in competitions (even Maokai or things like that) do start red for this purpose, it also optimizes your jungle and with a decent team you seriously don't need blue at all. Else how would you even be able to give it up later since the creeps'hp scale almost as fast as your spells'damages and the mana cost increases aswell so.. Yup items help, but Philosopher Stone wont help you to spam it as it's the only "mana" item you get usually with Alistar.
I don't want to snub you talking about competition and pro players (mostly thinking about snoopeh here) but there is some reasons that make them chose this path.
Besides I main jungle, and the level of the junglers is just horrible. The path aren't optimized, they don't even know the cooldown of the spawning time of the little camps, they don't take timers and things like that, they have no clue what is counter ganking and just blame you for overextending when you dominate instead of keeping tabs on your lane to counter the obvious gank. Jungling isn't about clearing (well depends, but in Alistar case it's sure not the matter), it's about being at the right spot, at the right time. Taking red level 1 ensures a great pressure top lane and this is totally game breaking in normal/ranked games given the early domination provided in a snowball metagame. So yes, don't believe what you see during your games since experienced junglers are rare as diamond (uh this joke).
For Renekton, ahm it has really not much in common with Udyr.. like Udyr ganks are almost always relying on your opponent being outpositionned.
Do you realise Renek got almost the biggest gap closer (and it's not a skill shot like Lee Sin's q) and yes there is this stun like Udyr. But that's all, the difference between Udyr speed boost and Renekton Slice and Dice is really massiv.
Let's just say that Udyr cleans quite faster, but in early game you rather have a Renekton in your jungle for the ganks that virtually Udyr just can't take given Flash. With Renekton you bridge the gap in a second, with Udyr you need to run after the enemy that's really not easy to get him this way if he's not totally overextending. I'd say the thing that comes near to Renekton would be Pantheon, or Xin maybe..
And no, by the way it's not "low level" or gimmick to not pick the usual junglers. You know, Mundo waited a LONG time before being picked (even after the buff actually) and there were some top ranked players that were playing it before everybody think it's viable. If I remember correclty it was also a player that mained Twitch jungle (before the shift) and at this time when you picked it (Mundo or Twitch) people were just like "Oh my god stop trolling imma report".
Same goes for Ezreal in fact, a top corean player (I'm not sure) JUST plays him all the time, either mid (the greatest Karthus counter is there by the way), jungle or bot lane obviously.
So yes, it's not only for fun, it really works but obviously if people keep playing the same thing over and over noone will realise it. Just saying, for instance the fastest jungler is Olaf, and almost noone play it, and this is nonsense. People just rush Lee Sin (and for good reason, it's an insane pick) but can not adapt their pick to the role they'll need to fulfill.
Oh and yes, you're totally right on the counter jungling part of Karthus, but if you can "outplay" your enemy jungler this can be overcame. But yes, this is true, you better make sure your team is decent enough to provide you the cover you need so that the enemy jungler wont counter you all day (by the way Ezreal is an insane counter jungler once he gets Wriggle with his E that provides an easy escape and his huge damage on a single target with the ability to proc wriggle faster than anyone).
For Alistar, you should try it, because obviously I did and I ensure you that you can clear the camps you need to hit a decent level without beeing forced back.
You don't need (if mid lane and top helps you.. what they should be doing anyway) to waste your pulverise on the wraith camp.
For the red one, you can use it since anyway you'll regenerate it during the gank etc.
Most of the time you get the kill top or mid anyway so that's not so big of a deal to go back early with an Alistar as you can upgrade boots if you were involved in the firstblood (I also run gold runes/masteries as it should be for this matter). And you DONT, never, ever take gold items first without upgrading your boots with Alistar. So you don't need that much gold to make this back-to-fountain worthy since the +5 boost is just your biggest tool.
I want to underline that I'm not inventing anything there, Alistar played in competitions (even Maokai or things like that) do start red for this purpose, it also optimizes your jungle and with a decent team you seriously don't need blue at all. Else how would you even be able to give it up later since the creeps'hp scale almost as fast as your spells'damages and the mana cost increases aswell so.. Yup items help, but Philosopher Stone wont help you to spam it as it's the only "mana" item you get usually with Alistar.
I don't want to snub you talking about competition and pro players (mostly thinking about snoopeh here) but there is some reasons that make them chose this path.
Besides I main jungle, and the level of the junglers is just horrible. The path aren't optimized, they don't even know the cooldown of the spawning time of the little camps, they don't take timers and things like that, they have no clue what is counter ganking and just blame you for overextending when you dominate instead of keeping tabs on your lane to counter the obvious gank. Jungling isn't about clearing (well depends, but in Alistar case it's sure not the matter), it's about being at the right spot, at the right time. Taking red level 1 ensures a great pressure top lane and this is totally game breaking in normal/ranked games given the early domination provided in a snowball metagame. So yes, don't believe what you see during your games since experienced junglers are rare as diamond (uh this joke).
For Renekton, ahm it has really not much in common with Udyr.. like Udyr ganks are almost always relying on your opponent being outpositionned.
Do you realise Renek got almost the biggest gap closer (and it's not a skill shot like Lee Sin's q) and yes there is this stun like Udyr. But that's all, the difference between Udyr speed boost and Renekton Slice and Dice is really massiv.
Let's just say that Udyr cleans quite faster, but in early game you rather have a Renekton in your jungle for the ganks that virtually Udyr just can't take given Flash. With Renekton you bridge the gap in a second, with Udyr you need to run after the enemy that's really not easy to get him this way if he's not totally overextending. I'd say the thing that comes near to Renekton would be Pantheon, or Xin maybe..
And no, by the way it's not "low level" or gimmick to not pick the usual junglers. You know, Mundo waited a LONG time before being picked (even after the buff actually) and there were some top ranked players that were playing it before everybody think it's viable. If I remember correclty it was also a player that mained Twitch jungle (before the shift) and at this time when you picked it (Mundo or Twitch) people were just like "Oh my god stop trolling imma report".
Same goes for Ezreal in fact, a top corean player (I'm not sure) JUST plays him all the time, either mid (the greatest Karthus counter is there by the way), jungle or bot lane obviously.
So yes, it's not only for fun, it really works but obviously if people keep playing the same thing over and over noone will realise it. Just saying, for instance the fastest jungler is Olaf, and almost noone play it, and this is nonsense. People just rush Lee Sin (and for good reason, it's an insane pick) but can not adapt their pick to the role they'll need to fulfill.
Oh and yes, you're totally right on the counter jungling part of Karthus, but if you can "outplay" your enemy jungler this can be overcame. But yes, this is true, you better make sure your team is decent enough to provide you the cover you need so that the enemy jungler wont counter you all day (by the way Ezreal is an insane counter jungler once he gets Wriggle with his E that provides an easy escape and his huge damage on a single target with the ability to proc wriggle faster than anyone).
It was so poorly timed... XD
oh yeah, i definitely agree with you there. i played a few ranked 5s with TGF Freddy (diamond player) and he jungled something ridiculous every game - Ezreal, Fizz, etc - and carried all of us because he just outplayed everyone.