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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??
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I've deleted a grand total of -one- post from you. The question that was asked (and you answered) did not warrant a negative response.
I'm pretty relaxed when it comes down to complaining and all that - a few is acceptable...maybe you just need to get something out. Don't turn an otherwise positive discussion into a negative one, though.
FUKC WHY DID YOU LINK THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE FUCKING NIGHTMARES
I can't even begin to imagine the quantity of champions whose original designs wound up totally different to how the aesthetic was placed into the League world or shifted over time, or who were scrapped far along the process.
The art is almost assuredly real and was at one time a concept for a champion. How far along into the development process he went and if he was ever completed/finished, or if he will be and is still in progress, is unknown. I stopped watching after that guy moved on to Sion rework so if there's something else he says beyond mere speculation and "this guy actually does art for Riot" despite the fact there are champs who had models done and were canned (indicating they had this same art), that's no conclusive proof.
He was definitely refined in some form from that concept art to what we see now. He doesn't fit the League aesthetic at all really. The closest thing is Fiora (and she doesn't fit the League gameplay hue) but he just has odd details and those guns are bizarre compared to other guns we've seen. They don't look like Zaun or Piltover productions.
Anyway don't get your hopes up that guy says nothing actually factual to confirm this dude is a champ. But, the art is out there and Rioters aren't saying "he was scrapped" so no need to give up all hope.
The art is almost assuredly real and was at one time a concept for a champion. How far along into the development process he went and if he was ever completed/finished, or if he will be and is still in progress, is unknown. I stopped watching after that guy moved on to Sion rework so if there's something else he says beyond mere speculation and "this guy actually does art for Riot" despite the fact there are champs who had models done and were canned (indicating they had this same art), that's no conclusive proof.
He was definitely refined in some form from that concept art to what we see now. He doesn't fit the League aesthetic at all really. The closest thing is Fiora (and she doesn't fit the League gameplay hue) but he just has odd details and those guns are bizarre compared to other guns we've seen. They don't look like Zaun or Piltover productions.
Anyway don't get your hopes up that guy says nothing actually factual to confirm this dude is a champ. But, the art is out there and Rioters aren't saying "he was scrapped" so no need to give up all hope.
Caitlyn happens to have a super good laning phase and her net makes her relatively "safe" but I wouldn't say she's the best.
I personally rank Tristana and Ez at the top - Ez's laning is better but he has great poke and burst and that new on-hit-proc item build of his is annoying as shit. Tristana has a sightly worse early game but makes up for it late in the game where she gets 700 attack range and jumps around like she's on crack.
On another note - what does everyone think of Lissandra? I've been trying her and find her damage to be sightly weaker than other mages, but her CC and mobility kind of make up for it. I'm currently doing something like Catalyst => Armlet => RoA => Zhonya. I've tried RoA => Deathcap, Catalyst => Deathcap => RoA , Blood Chalice => Deathcap and variations of that, but without some bulk you drop pretty fast even if you shield yourself with your ult.
I personally rank Tristana and Ez at the top - Ez's laning is better but he has great poke and burst and that new on-hit-proc item build of his is annoying as shit. Tristana has a sightly worse early game but makes up for it late in the game where she gets 700 attack range and jumps around like she's on crack.
On another note - what does everyone think of Lissandra? I've been trying her and find her damage to be sightly weaker than other mages, but her CC and mobility kind of make up for it. I'm currently doing something like Catalyst => Armlet => RoA => Zhonya. I've tried RoA => Deathcap, Catalyst => Deathcap => RoA , Blood Chalice => Deathcap and variations of that, but without some bulk you drop pretty fast even if you shield yourself with your ult.
Varus is by far the best adc right now in my opinion. Caitlyn isn't far behind along with MF (who is a really specialized adc). Ezreal, Twitch have cool niche, so they're not really "behind".
On another note, I'm playing Draven and while I feel like I'm improving and all, I feel like it's by far the hardest character to master in LoL (I mean, to master to its maximum potential). But, I also think that while he can totally stomp a lane if paired with the right support, his low range, his requirements in terms of damage (you need to catch axes, refresh w, hit ulti twice) make his ability to carry pretty unconsistent.
And fuck, that was so good to solo Baron in a ranked with double BT and PD, I pinked it myself and here we go.
On another note, I'm playing Draven and while I feel like I'm improving and all, I feel like it's by far the hardest character to master in LoL (I mean, to master to its maximum potential). But, I also think that while he can totally stomp a lane if paired with the right support, his low range, his requirements in terms of damage (you need to catch axes, refresh w, hit ulti twice) make his ability to carry pretty unconsistent.
And fuck, that was so good to solo Baron in a ranked with double BT and PD, I pinked it myself and here we go.
A question:
Isn't Varus just fotm? He was underrated before the pros began using him a whole lot.
Imo, Tristana all the way. She's a sleeper right now for sure.
I also like Corki, but unlike Ez and Graves, he has to be extremely careful with his w because it doesn't have a way to reset. Too bad most other adcs outshine him atm.
But in all honesty, Varus is stronger than Varus.
Isn't Varus just fotm? He was underrated before the pros began using him a whole lot.
Imo, Tristana all the way. She's a sleeper right now for sure.
I also like Corki, but unlike Ez and Graves, he has to be extremely careful with his w because it doesn't have a way to reset. Too bad most other adcs outshine him atm.
But in all honesty, Varus is stronger than Varus.
Oh people actually think Trist is good now? Okay I can shamelessly admit how powerful Tristana is. IMO Caitlyn and Draven stand at the top of the table, the former having the best early game presence and pushing power in Piltover Pushbullet while the latter is simply a powerful aggressive laner with great mobility to scurry around to quickly reposition (which most ADCs cannot).
Tristana is the best to me because I suck at using anything else and her W and R let her peel for herself. Also, late game her insane range and constant W refreshes make her nigh unkillable while granting the team powerful tower pressure.
Miss Fortune joins them in the major leagues for her ability to deal massive AoE damage in Bullet Time, which allows her to fire off the bulk of her damage very early in the team fight, making certain AoE team comps highly effective (Malph, Orianna, related champs).
Twitch and Ezreal are two highly odd ADCs that play somewhat differently. Ezreal bullies as well as, if not better than Draven, and his mobility, farming and wave clear is stupidly good. Twitch is so powerful against unprepared teams, and essentially beats and ADC 1v1 midgame. His Expunge is a menace to society, with a well-time Spray and Pay granting him enormous burst damage.
I almost forgot Vayne, who snowballs far faster than any other ADC and simply ravages bruisers even without her Last Whisper. Her ultimate allows her to entry the fray and spread confusion amongst the enemy team.
And now we move on to the shitty ones.
Sivir is lol. Meh in general, with no notable advantages over other ADCs besides perhaps her quick lane clear and being Blitz-resistant.
Ashe sucks. Slow as hell and prone to ganks. Her global ult is good, but unless she fires it off in fog a coordinated team is going to know when she fires it and where.
Quinn has great burst, actually, but to achieve this she must put herself in harm's way, and her ult basically turns her into Master Yi (minus the bulk).
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I reserve comments on Graves, Corki and Kog'maw, given their low usage despite theoretically being highly effective in what they do. Graves has pushing power and a strong ult, Corki has high teamfight damage while Kog puts a lot of pressure on towers and contributes a lot to a poke comp.
Oh and Varus is a turd I hate him
Tristana is the best to me because I suck at using anything else and her W and R let her peel for herself. Also, late game her insane range and constant W refreshes make her nigh unkillable while granting the team powerful tower pressure.
Miss Fortune joins them in the major leagues for her ability to deal massive AoE damage in Bullet Time, which allows her to fire off the bulk of her damage very early in the team fight, making certain AoE team comps highly effective (Malph, Orianna, related champs).
Twitch and Ezreal are two highly odd ADCs that play somewhat differently. Ezreal bullies as well as, if not better than Draven, and his mobility, farming and wave clear is stupidly good. Twitch is so powerful against unprepared teams, and essentially beats and ADC 1v1 midgame. His Expunge is a menace to society, with a well-time Spray and Pay granting him enormous burst damage.
I almost forgot Vayne, who snowballs far faster than any other ADC and simply ravages bruisers even without her Last Whisper. Her ultimate allows her to entry the fray and spread confusion amongst the enemy team.
And now we move on to the shitty ones.
Sivir is lol. Meh in general, with no notable advantages over other ADCs besides perhaps her quick lane clear and being Blitz-resistant.
Ashe sucks. Slow as hell and prone to ganks. Her global ult is good, but unless she fires it off in fog a coordinated team is going to know when she fires it and where.
Quinn has great burst, actually, but to achieve this she must put herself in harm's way, and her ult basically turns her into Master Yi (minus the bulk).
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I reserve comments on Graves, Corki and Kog'maw, given their low usage despite theoretically being highly effective in what they do. Graves has pushing power and a strong ult, Corki has high teamfight damage while Kog puts a lot of pressure on towers and contributes a lot to a poke comp.
Oh and Varus is a turd I hate him
No way Draven will get nerfed. As I said his dps is not reliable. If I have a Draven against me, unless he's farming with two axes (thus pushing, or just unable to freeze), I will make him fail his dps by forcing him to not move as he wants.
Trist is mid tier, she isn't that good. You sacrifice a lot just to get an escape+range in late.
Varus is safe, he got cc, % and shit. He's just a total monster.
Trist is mid tier, she isn't that good. You sacrifice a lot just to get an escape+range in late.
Varus is safe, he got cc, % and shit. He's just a total monster.
I think it's kinda hard to tier adcs in s3. The adc pool has expanded to far more than the s2 trifecta (Graves, Corki, Ezreal).
Interesting to note that Draven is really only seen in the NA scene (occasionally EU), and is almost unused in KR/China. This might be attributed to the fact that Draven sucks lategame (compared to other adcs) as he has an awkward time positioning in teamfights while maxing dps (550 range escapeless adc who telegraphs his destination...). Doublelift himself does not like Draven - most likely for that reason. Even in NA, Draven is only played by people who is known to have terrifying lane presence (qtpie, WildTurtle, Nien, and mancloud).
I wouldn't say Ashe sucks because of the power of her ult and long range vision grant. Plus, she has 600 range. The combination of these two traits turn her into a really scary threat lategame. She def has some issues though which keeps her from being top.
I wonder if Quinn works better as a toplane bruiser/assassin/splitpusher...something like Bork/Randuin/Cleaver/Maw/Mercs/LW. The combination of blind and 750 range gapcloser just screams 'kill the carry'.
Sivir needs a range boost of some sort.
The last adc I'd like to mention here is Kennen. Well, 'adc' because I think adc Kennen sucks and the only reason we saw it picked/banned in LCS was because that guy from EU was super familiar with the champ to begin with. Kennen's DPS is mediocre compared to the other adcs, can't make full use of his ultimate (can only really use it as a self peeling tool or an early game all-in), and most importantly, can't use autoattacks during his repositioning move
Interesting to note that Draven is really only seen in the NA scene (occasionally EU), and is almost unused in KR/China. This might be attributed to the fact that Draven sucks lategame (compared to other adcs) as he has an awkward time positioning in teamfights while maxing dps (550 range escapeless adc who telegraphs his destination...). Doublelift himself does not like Draven - most likely for that reason. Even in NA, Draven is only played by people who is known to have terrifying lane presence (qtpie, WildTurtle, Nien, and mancloud).
I wouldn't say Ashe sucks because of the power of her ult and long range vision grant. Plus, she has 600 range. The combination of these two traits turn her into a really scary threat lategame. She def has some issues though which keeps her from being top.
I wonder if Quinn works better as a toplane bruiser/assassin/splitpusher...something like Bork/Randuin/Cleaver/Maw/Mercs/LW. The combination of blind and 750 range gapcloser just screams 'kill the carry'.
Sivir needs a range boost of some sort.
The last adc I'd like to mention here is Kennen. Well, 'adc' because I think adc Kennen sucks and the only reason we saw it picked/banned in LCS was because that guy from EU was super familiar with the champ to begin with. Kennen's DPS is mediocre compared to the other adcs, can't make full use of his ultimate (can only really use it as a self peeling tool or an early game all-in), and most importantly, can't use autoattacks during his repositioning move
QFT
Does anyone play Syndra? I'm trying her out and I have to say the damage on her R is ridiculous if you play your cards (or balls, rather) right, and she puts out some very nice DPS but her stun is super awkward to land.
I'm starting to suspect that she's secretly OP but noone knows because only like 3 people play her.
I'm starting to suspect that she's secretly OP but noone knows because only like 3 people play her.
She's a Timmy champ. You can point at potential damage and set up awesome kills on scrubs, but a more realistic expectation against skilled players is quite low.
How do you have 3.1k posts and are only 1 month younger than me and yet I have never seen you?
ffs I used to spam daily in '10.
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Ashe is incredibly slow and gank-prone. I don't see any merit in using her besides for her ult, for which requires quite a bit of luck over skill and Varus has a superior ult (and kit) for teamfights and skirmishes anyway. (varus is still a turd because pubs always feed using him)
ffs I used to spam daily in '10.
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Ashe is incredibly slow and gank-prone. I don't see any merit in using her besides for her ult, for which requires quite a bit of luck over skill and Varus has a superior ult (and kit) for teamfights and skirmishes anyway. (varus is still a turd because pubs always feed using him)
Did you mean to show me a video where a Syndra managed to juggle all 7 balls in a pro game? Cause I see a much more realistic 5, exactly like I said. It's the low cooldown that got her a Pentakill, not her ult.
Pick/ban/win-loss statistics for ADCs in OGN Champions Spring 2013:
Bans/picks/win-loss/win%/% of games picked or banned
Caitlyn: 5/32/12-20/37.5/55.2
Varus: 4/26/13-13/50/44.8
Miss Fortune: 5/23/14-9/60.9/41.8
Vayne: 4/16/10-6/62.5/29.9
Kog'Maw: 4/15/10-5/66.7/28.4
Twitch: 3/9/6-3/66.7/17.9
Ezreal: 0/9/2-7/22.2/13.4
Tristana: 0/4/1-3/25.0/6
Ashe: 0/1/0-1/0/1.5
Just food for thought ^^
Bans/picks/win-loss/win%/% of games picked or banned
Caitlyn: 5/32/12-20/37.5/55.2
Varus: 4/26/13-13/50/44.8
Miss Fortune: 5/23/14-9/60.9/41.8
Vayne: 4/16/10-6/62.5/29.9
Kog'Maw: 4/15/10-5/66.7/28.4
Twitch: 3/9/6-3/66.7/17.9
Ezreal: 0/9/2-7/22.2/13.4
Tristana: 0/4/1-3/25.0/6
Ashe: 0/1/0-1/0/1.5
Just food for thought ^^
quinn 0/0/0-0/0/0
To be fair, corki/sivir/draven/graves are also 0's across the board.
I don't think it's possible to tier the ADs as a whole unless you look at more specifics (lane dominance/bully, lategame carrying, role in Amumu faglord comps, etc) because some of them excel at certain things or are good at everything but masters or nothing. Who, then, is the overall best? That shifts with the meta more than anything else.
Miss Fortune is the best at Press R comps because if she's allowed to channel her ult and builds to ult she does huge damage and shred. However she does not have a blink so if anyone jumps her she has to duel, blow Flash, or hope her team peels.
Tristana has the safest lategame because of her range, ult and Rocket Jump but she can still suffer from Rocket Jump's mediocrity as a blink and "before 6 items lel."
Caitlyn of course begins the game with 650 range, above anyone else's, and in the current push meta she can clear waves with Q and siege more safely than her 550 friends.
Kog'Maw outranges Cait and Trist but not Twitch-with-ult and has % dmg. He has no blink like MF but he has some shred and an aoe slow like her. His fellow % dmg waifu, Vayne, is stuck with short range and a bad laning phase that easily snowballs if she does get a kill, but she is still ridiculously squishy.
Draven does random 5000 hp crits and even if he doesn't juggle axes he can still crit in teamfights. Gayboy Ezreal also has a global ult like him but does poke crap and is generally retarded but he loses pretty much every 1v1 now that his aspd slow is G-O-N-E.
Personally I think Varus is ridiculously overrated. He's trash. Trash damage lategame, trash ult that almost never lands, he's overhyped by pros who think he's all that because early with BotRK he can chunk but he's not actually good. I don't think he can properly carry a game like the lategame ADs can but he's not good at bullying them out of lane if they're smart either.
PS is not hard to wait for the heal debuff to wear off as Sona and then mash W. As long as nobody stands on his debuff it doesn't last long.
Quinn definitely belongs in a solo lane building to splitpush and do bird things. She's not good in a duo lane. Sivir and Ashe need one or two things each to bring them properly up to speed in the current meta/game environment and they will be good carries. Ashe's damage output will always be kind of meh but her passive is just horrid in teamfights/lategame.
Miss Fortune is the best at Press R comps because if she's allowed to channel her ult and builds to ult she does huge damage and shred. However she does not have a blink so if anyone jumps her she has to duel, blow Flash, or hope her team peels.
Tristana has the safest lategame because of her range, ult and Rocket Jump but she can still suffer from Rocket Jump's mediocrity as a blink and "before 6 items lel."
Caitlyn of course begins the game with 650 range, above anyone else's, and in the current push meta she can clear waves with Q and siege more safely than her 550 friends.
Kog'Maw outranges Cait and Trist but not Twitch-with-ult and has % dmg. He has no blink like MF but he has some shred and an aoe slow like her. His fellow % dmg waifu, Vayne, is stuck with short range and a bad laning phase that easily snowballs if she does get a kill, but she is still ridiculously squishy.
Draven does random 5000 hp crits and even if he doesn't juggle axes he can still crit in teamfights. Gayboy Ezreal also has a global ult like him but does poke crap and is generally retarded but he loses pretty much every 1v1 now that his aspd slow is G-O-N-E.
Personally I think Varus is ridiculously overrated. He's trash. Trash damage lategame, trash ult that almost never lands, he's overhyped by pros who think he's all that because early with BotRK he can chunk but he's not actually good. I don't think he can properly carry a game like the lategame ADs can but he's not good at bullying them out of lane if they're smart either.
PS is not hard to wait for the heal debuff to wear off as Sona and then mash W. As long as nobody stands on his debuff it doesn't last long.
Quinn definitely belongs in a solo lane building to splitpush and do bird things. She's not good in a duo lane. Sivir and Ashe need one or two things each to bring them properly up to speed in the current meta/game environment and they will be good carries. Ashe's damage output will always be kind of meh but her passive is just horrid in teamfights/lategame.
No specific order
Top tier: Ez Tristana Caitlyn Vayne
Mid Tier: Varus Draven MF Kog maw
Low Tier: Twitch Graves Ashe Corki
Shit tier:Quinn
Dog shit tier: Sivir
Graves is only low because of barrier's recent popularity
Top tier: Ez Tristana Caitlyn Vayne
Mid Tier: Varus Draven MF Kog maw
Low Tier: Twitch Graves Ashe Corki
Shit tier:Quinn
Dog shit tier: Sivir
Graves is only low because of barrier's recent popularity