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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??
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I've literally not seen her at all in solo queue (like not once) since patch 4.1, the nerfs hit her really hard. I guess she's worth mentioning because she was so dominant so recently, but as of now I think she is really very weak.
As for tournaments I don't particularly follow anything other than the NA LCS (and that only very casually), but it wouldn't surprise me if teams still picked her for her ult's usefulness in team compositions that they have been trying out, nerfs or no. In all honesty solo queue tends to react faster to nerfs than tournament picks do just because in tournaments professionals tend to pick what they are comfortable with and can coordinate well with their teammates, rather than simply the strongest champion available.
Edit: According to Lolking, her popularity is down as much as 50% in the last two weeks in high elo (Diamond and above), which typically responds most quickly and most violently to nerfs. Of course Lolking is a sketchy-at-best source, but take it for what it is.
As for tournaments I don't particularly follow anything other than the NA LCS (and that only very casually), but it wouldn't surprise me if teams still picked her for her ult's usefulness in team compositions that they have been trying out, nerfs or no. In all honesty solo queue tends to react faster to nerfs than tournament picks do just because in tournaments professionals tend to pick what they are comfortable with and can coordinate well with their teammates, rather than simply the strongest champion available.
Edit: According to Lolking, her popularity is down as much as 50% in the last two weeks in high elo (Diamond and above), which typically responds most quickly and most violently to nerfs. Of course Lolking is a sketchy-at-best source, but take it for what it is.
As somebody whos recently made a decision to main ADC going into the new season, I was just wondering since thats where the conversation is heading, has there ever been a period where caitlyn and ezreal have been weak choices as ADC's? My personal favorites are tristana and graves but I was thinking that since cait and ez have been strong ever since I started that they may have been weak in another season but my friends who have been playing since late S2 says they were strong then as well so I thought i may as well ask here, because I'm considering just maining caitlyn since it seems riot it very reluctant to change her kit and I sense that lucian and jinx will both recieve some sort of change / nerf in the near future so I'm fairly reluctant to buy them and play them considering their high price
Also any good adc mains here wanna tell me if BoRK rush is still good on trista because I nearly always rush IE but i feel sooooo weak at around ~20 minutes which is where the team generally fucks up hard in silver
Also any good adc mains here wanna tell me if BoRK rush is still good on trista because I nearly always rush IE but i feel sooooo weak at around ~20 minutes which is where the team generally fucks up hard in silver
I played a bot game with a very special person today
they have never played a regular game, and judging from their match history they played a Soraka support for around 8 hours straight, never once buying a single item or getting a single kill. she ran around the map following one person and healing them, and using her ult on cooldown. judging from the match history before and after the time I played with her, she had been doing it often - possibly all the way up to summoner level 29.
a true hero.
they have never played a regular game, and judging from their match history they played a Soraka support for around 8 hours straight, never once buying a single item or getting a single kill. she ran around the map following one person and healing them, and using her ult on cooldown. judging from the match history before and after the time I played with her, she had been doing it often - possibly all the way up to summoner level 29.
a true hero.
Cait wasn't seen too much in the latter half of season 2, and there was a period of time between Ezreal's post-s2 worlds nerfing and the rise of Bluzreal where he was rarely seen.
Only because nobody realized how strong AS debuffs were. And before my time that thing was a heal, wasn't he considered super broken then? You could say he was never really weak, he was merely perceived as weak.
Which is pretty much how the entirety of solo queue seems to operate, until "proven" otherwise by some random pro by them getting picked (sometimes whether or not they're actually successful).
Which is pretty much how the entirety of solo queue seems to operate, until "proven" otherwise by some random pro by them getting picked (sometimes whether or not they're actually successful).
AP ezreal was considered godly back when his W used to heal allies - then they removed the heal and nobody played him for years. he had a comeback later on and several periods of ups and downs corresponding to the era of phage+BT (when he and corki were gods), then blue ezreal, then the realization that W max was stupidly strong because of the AS debuff, then the removal of the AS debuff, and finally the triforce buff
caitlyn on the other hand was considered trash when she came out and only doublelift was really insisting that she was good - eventually, people realized how strong a 650 range AA is combined with her ability to E+Q (which was an innovation at the time)
caitlyn on the other hand was considered trash when she came out and only doublelift was really insisting that she was good - eventually, people realized how strong a 650 range AA is combined with her ability to E+Q (which was an innovation at the time)
About the item build on Trist.
I think that Tristana is the definition of an ADC that can pick from different paths. From your skills to your item build. And almost every single Tristana player has his own "way".
Mine is simple :
- I only skill q when I'm reaching the 2 big damage items point
- the first time I go back to the fountain, I either buy pick axe or BF depending on how much I got. I never buy anything else, no bullshit vamp scepter. I don't believe the "if you get harassed, buy vamp scepter" stuff because the more you give up on ad early, the more you get harassed anyway. It's like picking revive instead of flash, why try to ease a bad situation when you can simply avoid it
- I try to be as flexible as possible on my build but let's try to schematize it like that :
BF path : yes you go for the IE, but you don't have to buy this right away at all. However, you must always buy the BF because that's so cost efficient and you get shat on if you don't buy it when your opponent does. I usually pair it with the Statik Shiv, and then go for the LW.
So I do BF -> zeal/pick axed (never bad to stack ad if you can) -> statik shiv -> IE -> LW. The only moment when I finish the IE first is actually when I already started to skill my q (as I said, I like to use and abuse my spells on Tristana, and I usually don't skill Q untill I feel like my stuff can make it worth). Sometimes you may keep the zeal intact, if you're late for the Shiv.
Pick Axe path : This one is way more changing because, unlike the first scenario, you usually are less in a dominant position. So the back up plan is to aim for a BOTRK / LW cheap combinaison if you're really not farming much. What is "cool" with the Pick Axe is that you can still, if possible, change your mind for a BOTRK / IE (and then right after, LW) combo.
Too sum it up, I got 2 builds I look for usually :
IE / Shiv / LW (and as I said, Shiv before IE, but BF first)
and
BOTRK / LW / IE (IE/LW order depends on when you get the BF basically)
Obviously, if you're against an opponent stacking health like a mfk like Mundo you will have to buy the BOTRK at some point. I'm really adamant about not going more than 1 AS item though (at least until very late game) so if you know that you're going BOTRK at some point, don't bother trying to build Shiv.
PS : I don't talk about the boots because I really never buy it early and I never turn it into greaves until I've completed my main goals.
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Yeah, I've had the absolute wonkiest time with Caitlyn. She's still solid but one thing I really fucking hate to face as an ADC:
Soraka / Caitlyn.
Fuck that noise.
On a lighter note, I probably played one of the best ranked games in my entire life.
This game was intense. I thought when Teemo left we would be done for and Soraka / Jinx gave up a couple kills on bot. And then... a miracle happened - Jinx and Soraka got their act together on bottom and Teemo was around just enough from time to time to fuck up Darius to at least keep him behind. I think Vi DC'd for a short time which helped too. But man. This was... hard.
I got a shitload of compliments for my peels. And the best part was when we were on bot on a 4v5. I EQd, ulted as many people as I could, and Jinx / Ziggs just unleashed hell with a little help from Soraka. Speaking of Soraka fuck she made me tankier than ever.
After playing this game I felt so much better with ranked in general. Before I felt that I was kind of mediocre and useless. And I know I have a lot to learn. But this match man. This match showed that with a little cooperation and teamwork anything is possible.
Oh and our Jinx got a pentakill. Such hax.
Soraka / Caitlyn.
Fuck that noise.
On a lighter note, I probably played one of the best ranked games in my entire life.
This game was intense. I thought when Teemo left we would be done for and Soraka / Jinx gave up a couple kills on bot. And then... a miracle happened - Jinx and Soraka got their act together on bottom and Teemo was around just enough from time to time to fuck up Darius to at least keep him behind. I think Vi DC'd for a short time which helped too. But man. This was... hard.
I got a shitload of compliments for my peels. And the best part was when we were on bot on a 4v5. I EQd, ulted as many people as I could, and Jinx / Ziggs just unleashed hell with a little help from Soraka. Speaking of Soraka fuck she made me tankier than ever.
After playing this game I felt so much better with ranked in general. Before I felt that I was kind of mediocre and useless. And I know I have a lot to learn. But this match man. This match showed that with a little cooperation and teamwork anything is possible.
Oh and our Jinx got a pentakill. Such hax.
got a double promote back to gold by this weekend #hype
I'm actually a support player, but don't feel like playing support until I'm gold 1 or something. Maybe that's a reason, why my supports always annoy me. I always expect them to do what I would do, but as I am better than most of them in silver, that just does not happen xd
And I suck at last hitting, so they always start flaming me xD
And I suck at last hitting, so they always start flaming me xD
red pot renekton has successfully netted me 3 first bloods in a row
yet despite having as many as 10 kills and 0 deaths at the end of laning phase i still feel like i am trapped on an island watching helplessly as my shipmates are eaten by sharks because top lane has no fucking impact on the game until like 30 minutes when we finally start to group
i was on the nexus turrets of the enemy base while my team was defending 4v5 at our inhib tower and our 0/9 leona decides to engage and they push down our nexus with me sitting in their base 2 hits away from ending
the god damn silver feels...
yet despite having as many as 10 kills and 0 deaths at the end of laning phase i still feel like i am trapped on an island watching helplessly as my shipmates are eaten by sharks because top lane has no fucking impact on the game until like 30 minutes when we finally start to group
i was on the nexus turrets of the enemy base while my team was defending 4v5 at our inhib tower and our 0/9 leona decides to engage and they push down our nexus with me sitting in their base 2 hits away from ending
the god damn silver feels...
you arent making enough plays, afk split pushing top lane doesnt work in silver. have to roam very early and make plays at drag or something, warding enemy jungle and killing their jungle or forcing a skirmish, its how i got myself out of silver/gold a long time ago. spammed rumble top and roamed like crazy since he was a god in skirmishes, but i learned this advice from jeb :>
now i only play support mostly
now i only play support mostly
until annie gets another nerf.
i dont even mind annie too much at the moment, its leona that really gives me the shits, 3 lock down spells and she is so tanky with items now its just ridiculous trying to survive as an adc / mid laner against a leo in a fight she just has way too much zone and when you try kill her she just activates w and becomes tankier than most top laners, its so frustrating
Also what adc do you play Sapientia because silver people usually struggle to close games out and in my experience give enough time for a vayne / tristana to reach their huge power spikes through farming
Also what adc do you play Sapientia because silver people usually struggle to close games out and in my experience give enough time for a vayne / tristana to reach their huge power spikes through farming
Renekton is shit, embrace that and realize you should be playing something else if you wanna solo carry.
Seriously, Renekton lol.
(and no please do not bring the commonly played in tours stuff)
wins me lane 95% of the time, high base damage, transitions into tank for mid game teamfights, huge aoe damage, reliable stun, 2x dash that doubles as a great escape tool...please help me understand why renekton is shit instead of just saying he is and leaving it at that.
if i want to carry out of top lane, what do you suggest i play?
if i want to carry out of top lane, what do you suggest i play?
damage that falls off. if ur not winning lane as renekton ur retardedly worse than ur opponent or facing a shyvana until like past level 9. renekton brings limited cc and just pretty much becomes a meat wall for people to punch past the 25 mins mark unless u build ad, which is pretty damn underwheling from what i've seen, but i haven't played or faced it much. his aoe dmg isn't huge, his ult isn't on nasus ranks and cull the meek will never be there on 'huge aoe damage' ranks. i won't go into ad builds since i never played them, but as a tank u can't explode ppl, u can barely cc people; all you do is look big and run around being annoying hoping ur team has a brain to back you up. sincerely renekton is good for one thing only imo, ensuring you'll be strong and that your lane opponent won't be (that much at least) once the 20 mins mark drops.
if you wanna carry just play nasus or some ad hypercarry like tryndamere or jax. zac is also one of the best champions for carrying complete retards i've ever came across. if you'd rather go the full tank route mundo is there (and shyvana)
if you wanna carry just play nasus or some ad hypercarry like tryndamere or jax. zac is also one of the best champions for carrying complete retards i've ever came across. if you'd rather go the full tank route mundo is there (and shyvana)
i have had very mixed results on trynd, it's entirely hit or miss in my experience. i'll give jax and nasus a try, not a fan of zac because his bloblets are hard to pick up and you can find yourself down a lot of health if your lane opponent squishes them. mundo and shyv are always banned (which is why im playing renekton instead of one of them in the first place).
and you should give ad renekton a try, i guess my build isn't super ad but i usually rush hydra first item for considerable damage in the mid game and transition to a full tank item build as the game progresses.
thanks for the feedback, helps a lot!
and you should give ad renekton a try, i guess my build isn't super ad but i usually rush hydra first item for considerable damage in the mid game and transition to a full tank item build as the game progresses.
thanks for the feedback, helps a lot!