Pet Mod Legends Z-A OU

[G-Luke]

I thought you were implying that Mega Heatran with Filter would beat Mega Meganium. My bad.

I mean it does, but that's not really here or there

 

[Cuddly]

I mean it does, but that's not really here or there

Well it depends on game state and what sets either runs.
Meganium wins when Heatran switches in or SpD variants using Lava Plume in a 1v1.
Heatran wins when Meganium switches in or while using Magma Storm.
In an actual match, Meganium should actually win most of the time because of its speed. Heatran doesn't get any form of healing of its own and is suspectable to hazards, which helps Meganium beat Heatran.

Meganium vs Heatran Calcs

vs Offensive Heatran
252 SpA Meganium-Mega Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Filter Heatran-Mega: 237-279 (73.3 - 86.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and 1 layer of Spikes
252 SpA Heatran-Mega Lava Plume vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Meganium-Mega: 290-344 (96.3 - 114.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Heatran-Mega Magma Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Meganium-Mega: 362-428 (120.2 - 142.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

vs SpD Heatran (also with variant that outspeeds Kingambit too)
252 SpA Meganium-Mega Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Filter Heatran-Mega: 180-213 (46.6 - 55.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Meganium-Mega Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 140+ SpD Filter Heatran-Mega: 195-231 (50.5 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Heatran-Mega Magma Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Meganium-Mega: 312-368 (103.6 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Heatran-Mega Lava Plume vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Meganium-Mega: 252-296 (83.7 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Heatran-Mega Lava Plume vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Meganium-Mega: 252-296 (83.7 - 98.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Of course if Heatran gets Earth Eater, all these calcs no longer matter and Heatran beats Meganium hard. If Heatran doesn't get Filter either.

 

[yuga yotta]

I feel like Heatran will be too much with earth eater aand filter...

 

[4G3NT CROISSANT]

please give it wind rider, it would actually make it really unique as it can easily setup a tail wind, and either fast pivot with uturn or threaten something with CC or BB. It would also mean it can seperate itself from Mega Skarm and Mega Hawlucha, as Mega Skarm is a setup sweeper and hawlucha... well depends on ability.

levitate will be fine

i initially thought Golurk would be hopeless and the best it could get is analytic, but i realized that Steam Engine is actually insanely good here, given Coalossal's history and being only 30 base speed

im really hoping for tinted lens because i think a bug/steel lokix would greatly improve the tier given the one billion good dark types running around, but i can also see regenerator happening

for the love of god stop suggesting psychic surge, its got 124 base speed and 143 special attack, i dont wanna have to deal with a mon who constantly threatens to setup psychic terrain, block my priority and then hit me with a FULL POWER expanding force. keep in mind that, as a spread move, in singles it doesnt suffer the -25% damage cut spread moves have, so thats 1.5 (unique boost it gets on psychic terrain) x1.3 (psychic terrain boost) x 1.5 (user is psychic type) if my calculations are correct thats a 234 base power move... all for just switching in. Give it something like Shield Dust or something defensive.

i thought this guy was hopeless until i saw Contrary and saw it have Leaf Storm and Overheat, so it might actually go kinda crazy. Speed Boost is also another option that would greatly help it. I also want to preface that this guy has Grassy Glide so if anything gets Grassy Surge, it might not be so bad as a diet rillaboom

surely Merciless or at least Toxic Debris right

yeah idk, maybe Beserk?

i got a feeling that it wont be happy to take a burn being so absurdly slow, so i think Thermal Exchange would actually go a long way here

(z) this is like 99% chance gonna be broken, could probably get away with Pressure or something, but i want this to be at least somewhat interesting, so give it Forewarn. Even something like Sniper would make it too obnoxious because it could randomly oneshot your bulkiest wall for no reason.

(z) this guy needs no offensive bossting abilities. i wanna make it clear that its totally viable to just run a physical set on this guy and only use the mega for the extra speed, Garchomp is NOT lacking in physical power here. And thats not even addressing the fact that it got Nasty Plot. Ive seen Levitate thrown around a lot but i dont think its that dire. However I do think its dire enough to warrent requiring some risk to use it, even if its only for the speed boost. Therefore, geniunely give it Hustle

(z) i can MAYBE see garchomp and absol staying if given the right ability, not Lucario here. But because i want to watch the world burn, give it Battle Bond so that we can ban it quicker.

please not earth eater, just give us Filter or keep Flash Fire and we'll be happy


idc enough about the raichu megas, i guess X can get Galvanize and Y can get mold breaker or infiltrator, idk dude. anything else not here is probably getting banned anyway

Hustle Garchomp under Gravity