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List with the most used Pokemon in the new metagame, based in the RTM Subforums

That's because it's so freakin' awesome!

And I use Rampardos. In a Sandstorm it loves to come out and play with it's Choice Scarf :D
 
GTGD said:
Believe it or not, but a strong defense is still a very important part of the game. With Skarmory or Blissey, if you can block damage well enough to recover it and have a turn to spare before you need to recover again, you can effectively stall a lot of teams. Blissey actually has a really great offense as well, if you predict a switch and ice beam or seismic toss you can have them on the run despite your speed disadvantage.

Using them has really spared me a lot of pokes. The times where I lose mine the most are when they're outsped by something I didn't think would, or when they've got so much damage they're not even worth another switch in and I need a revenge killer.
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I wholeheartedly agree, especially with the advent of trick room that gives strong defensive walls like rhyperior the speed advantage while they still do what they're good at. Blissey is still as popular as ever, having survived the special/physical mechanics change (where skarm picked up a few weaknesses). Although I still believe that a solid offense that can handle anything is the way to go, I'd say the trend is towards defensive pokemon.
 
Could someone update this list to see the current usage know?



...Just three mantines? It really is the retarded bro of skarmory.
 
The Man... (tyke) said:
Could someone update this list to see the current usage know?



...Just three mantines? It really is the retarded bro of skarmory.
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Never lose hope. Gligar got an evolution in D/P, and it can give Skarmory some competition (in terms of Gold vs. Silver exclusives) in physical walling. Anyway, I think Lucario's making a comeback, and the list should probably be updated now.
 
At a glance

I know for sure that Dragonite use up big time.People are using Dragonite like crack in the 80's. In some sort of weird backlash against being standard people are using dragonite over salamence,making dragonite standard and over used.Ironic ain't it.

People are experimenting with trick room teams so trick room pokes such as Dusknoir,Brozong are little more common than what should be.

Mamoswine is making mini revival ,showing up on couple teams.

The GrowthTan (horrible name) topic has influence couple teams.Some people are trying out the sunny day morning sun tangrowth.

The Usual Suspects Gyarados, Electivire, Blissey, Salamence, Skarmory, Cresseila,Hippowdon ,T-tar,Garchomp,Heatran,Jirachi,etc are still very common this list probably has not change much at the top.

The most uncommon poke I have seen is Chatot.

Only member of the usual suspects that has taken hit is Weavile.Most people are building teams normal the first poke some how counter weavile drop it use some.

The best person to do list is maker of the thread.I might get bored( not very likely) and try to update but that is a lot work.If Shoddy Battle(another horrible name) gets a couple moves and error fixes the look of teams should change quite a bit.I would wait little while longer before trying to update it,Shoddy might lead to shift in how the game is played.
 
For uber teams only, here are the pokemon that have shown up on each team (This doesn't necessarily mean JUST uber pokemon, it's also non-ubers, but from teams that are classified as UBER):

Bold = uber Regular = non-uber Italics = not sure

Format = (Pokemon)(How many RMT has appeared in)

Blissey 40
Rayquaza 34
Kyogre 35
Mewtwo 31
Palkia 25
Giratina 28
Lugia 18
Arceus 16
Groudon 17
Metagross 15
Darkrai 11
Deoxys-A 11
Latios 8
Dialga 8
Latias 8
Jirachi 6
Mew 7
Wobbuffet 6
Deoxys-D 5
Forretress 7
Ho-oh 6
Articuno 3
Dusknoir 3
Heracross 3
Tangrowth 3
Bronzong 2
Charizard 2
Electivire 2
Exeggutor 2
Garchomp 2
Gliscor 2
Heatran 2
Infernape 2
Lucario 3
Manaphy 2
Raikou 2
Rhyperior 2
Shedinja 2
Snorlax 2
Umbreon 2
Absol 1
Arcanine 1
Bellossom 1
Celebi 1
Cresselia 1
Crobat 1
Deoxys-S 1
Duskull 1
Gengar 1
Glalie 1
Jumpluff 1
Ninjask 1
Ninetails 1
Regigigas 1
Roserade 1
Shiftry 1
Spiritomb 1
Suicune 1
Starmie 1
Togekiss 1
Tyranitar 1
Venusaur 1
Vileplume 1
Weavile 1
Weezing 1


Ok, this is the Ubers list. Obviously you're not going to se much with big numbers besides the actual Ubers, but there are exceptions.

At the time of this update, there were about 70 Uber RMTs in the RMT sub-forum.

You may be wondering why I did not put how much anything increased by. I simply did that because it's insignificant as the Uber metagame is not played that much right now and therefore doesn't have that many RMTs to actually show any significance if I put how much they've increased. Just wanted to clear that up.
 
Bologo said:
For uber RMTs only, here are the pokemon that have shown up on each team (This doesn't necessarily mean JUST uber pokemon, it's also non-ubers, but from teams that are classified as UBER):

Bold = uber Regular = non-uber Italics = not sure

Blissey 18
Mewtwo 18
Kyogre 14
Rayquaza 14
Palkia 11
Giratina 9
Groudon 9
Lugia 8
Arceus 7
Latios 7
Darkrai 4
Deoxys-L 4
Dialga 4
Jirachi 4
Latias 4
Dusknoir 3
Metagross 3
Mew 3
Tangrowth 3
Exeggutor 2
Forretress 2
Ho-oh 2
Gliscor 2
Infernape 2
Lucario 2
Rhyperior 2
Snorlax 2
Arcanine 1
Articuno 1
Bellossom 1
Charizard 1
Cresselia 1
Crobat 1
Deoxys-E 1
Electivire 1
Garchomp 1
Gengar 1
Glalie 1
Heatran 1
Heracross 1
Jumpluff 1
Metagross 1
Raikou 1
Roserade 1
Shiftry 1
Spiritomb 1
Suicune 1
Starmie 1
Togekiss 1
Tyranitar 1
Umbreon 1
Vileplume 1
Weavile 1
Weezing 1
Wobbuffet 1

Some points about it:

- Choice Specs Mewtwo is a really popular lead
- Blissey is still used as the big special wall
- Dragon Dance Outrage Rayquaza is very popular
- Deoxys-F hasn't appeared on any RMTs so far :S
- Wobbuffet just isn't very popular at all, not even in Ubers

Although there's not many Uber RMTs, I hope this helps people, just wanted to contribute to this topic in some way! =)
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HA HA! This proves that Blissey is Uber! It's tied with Mewtwo, the original broken Pokemon! :)

Who uses Glalie in Ubers, anyway (1 use)? There's no Uber with Snow Warning or something. . .
 
Huzzah! I'm probably the only Seviper user off the entire Internet and he's not even on the list.

Back on topic, I'm figuring out the increased popularity of Latios (7) over Latias (4). Not that it makes much of a difference, but it might be his increased offense (and cool looks) over Latias.

Oh, I also do not really see what Glalie is doing there...
 
So Blissey is also the most used in the uber tier, as well as standard. I mean, she -must- be balanced if people prefer her over uber tanks like Lugia and Giratina.
 
Blissey's use is more likely laziness on the RMT creators parts if they decided not to run specific damage calculations to figure out defensive EVs required to survive certain attacks with Lugia and Giratina; she's simply the most convenient special wall in existence, so why not use her?
 
I think powerful would be a more fitting word than convenient. Her lack of weaknesses to some common attacks are probably appealing.
 
Treedweller said:
Blissey's use is more likely laziness on the RMT creators parts if they decided not to run specific damage calculations to figure out defensive EVs required to survive certain attacks with Lugia and Giratina; she's simply the most convenient special wall in existence, so why not use her?
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Sorry, but I think that's completely incorrect. Blissey is just plain better for absorbing special attacks.

Lugia can't switch into Kyogre without taking at least 48% (Scarf Kyogre Thunder vs. MAX hp/sp.def beneficial nature Lugia), and will probably take more like 85% (Specs Kyogre against max-hp, no sp.def Lugia [which is far more common].

Blissey switching into Kyogre Thunder takes only 28%!!! With leftovers, that's not even a 4HKO.

Giratina's tough, but not as tough as Blissey. And most importantly, it doesn't have reliable recovery.


With calm mind, Blissey absolutely walls all special attackers (80%+ of ubers). That is why she's used.
 
Is Deoxys-RS really so worthless as to be the only Uber to not see ANY use so far?

EDIT: I think people are using the wrong sprite for Deoxys-F in their RMTs and such. -.-
 
Raikou said:
So Blissey is also the most used in the uber tier, as well as standard. I mean, she -must- be balanced if people prefer her over uber tanks like Lugia and Giratina.
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Herein lies the whole problem with the tiered system - what does "unbalanced" really mean?

Most of the Pokemon in Ubers are there because they have massive offence backed by the defensive capability to simply make them overpowering in the standard format. Blissey, though, is a little different, since it's ludicrous defensive capability and utility aren't backed by the same ZOMG-its-going-to-sweep-my-team ability.

The inherent problem with Pokemon is that there are so many differences between each and how they work with each other that there's no real way to determine true "balance." If you had one Uber on your standard team, you wouldn't completely dominate every team in the standard format.

Blissey is obviously the most used Pokemon in all the tiers - so where does it belong?

I honestly think a Blissey-less metagame would benefit everyone since it would open up so many more options across the board. There isn't a Pokemon on the physical side with even half of Blissey's walling capability, and that's definitely one of the reason the physical side of the game is so dominant right now despite the number of popular Pokemon with low physical defenses.

Right now it seems like the community is moving towards some sort of Borderline-Uber tier where Pokemon like Celebi, Manaphy, Tyranitar, and maybe Blissey can sit in limbo between the true uber and true standard side of things.


Also - this whole discussion borders on the "taboos" outlined in the forum guidelines, but it seems that a metagame is at least evolving right now and these stats in regard to Blissey at least certainly lends itself towards this kind of discussion.
 
TheMaster42 said:
Sorry, but I think that's completely incorrect. Blissey is just plain better for absorbing special attacks.

Lugia can't switch into Kyogre without taking at least 48% (Scarf Kyogre Thunder vs. MAX hp/sp.def beneficial nature Lugia), and will probably take more like 85% (Specs Kyogre against max-hp, no sp.def Lugia [which is far more common].

Blissey switching into Kyogre Thunder takes only 28%!!! With leftovers, that's not even a 4HKO.

Giratina's tough, but not as tough as Blissey. And most importantly, it doesn't have reliable recovery.


With calm mind, Blissey absolutely walls all special attackers (80%+ of ubers). That is why she's used.
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I don't understand the Uber metagame nearly as well as OU, so I suppose that's why I was unaware of this. Thanks for the correction.
 
To answer oPlaiD, a Pokemon is "unbalanced" in a certain tier if it causes the metagame to centralize around it. This is exactly what Blissey does, as she is an all-purpose special wall with no real physical counterpart, and as a result special attackers are much farther down the use list than physical attackers. And to further compound how ridiculous she is, she's the most popular Pokemon in ubers as well. What a whore.

To those of you saying special attackers would dominate the game if Blissey weren't around, what makes you think a nasty plot Azelf or CS Alakazam are any more deadly than a CB t-tar or SD/Outrage Garchomp? They're really not, and there are other potential special walls out there.
 
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