Margaret (sp?) Thatcher died

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Her achievements shouldn't be underestimated. Thatcher reached the summit of British politics on merit, thereby shattering a previous glass ceiling (for women) within a notoriously male dominated profession.
yet she ruled exactly like any other man, hence her being named the "Iron Lady". There's a difference between being strong-willed and just cruel; the end doesn't justify the means.

It's not just getting a woman in a position of power. I'm not particularly fond of her and I don't think she's exemplary for being the first female PM of the UK
 
Dunno much about her really, but I found it more funny that everyone was thinking Cher was dead thanks to that one hashtag #nowthatchersdead. Perhaps people will finally learn how stupid hashtags and twitter are...
 

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Really?? Comparing Hitler to Margaret Thatcher?

Either you are ignorant about world history or mentally challenged.
 
^it's an (admittedly poor) example to demonstrate that it's silly to urge everyone to respect a political figure just because of their tenacity in doing anything...i understand your point, and you're obviously right that the two are very different, but you're missing the point.

but also i think it's dumb to argue for any longer than 5 minutes that i have a right to hate dead people so i'll stfu now
 

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You're entitled to hate dead people but that doesn't make you any less of a twat for doing so.
 

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You really cannot play the Hitler card and then flee bro. You have no reason to hate Thatcher or Thatcherism. Her policies were objectively good, she was as much a patron of the arts and welfare as she was a hardass. She needed to be though and it rebuilt the UK. Your emotional 'I hate that Tory bitch' response to her death is reprehensible and demonstrates a total lack of economic and political literacy. I'm sorry your dad was a coal miner bro, perhaps the general stability of your country will help you get over it.
 

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You're entitled to hate dead people but that doesn't make you any less of a twat for doing so.
Has he ever met her? Is he personally involved with her family? Is there any kind of personal relationship there?

No. There was no problem with him hating her in life, and that doesn't change now that she's died. There is no reason to deify the dead.
 

Crux

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I didn't suggest that she ought to be deified. The problem was that any hatred in the first place was entirely unjustified and principally wrong.
 

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I wish our country had such a Prime minister.
Here in Belgium the trade unions are still far more powerfull then any political party.
 

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...seriously? Hatred for Thatcher is unjustified and principally wrong? Peoples who's lives were completely shattered have every right to hate her, regardless of what happened to the country.
 

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Except hating her for policy that necessarily excluded certain groups for the benefit of the entire country based on the mandate by which she was elected is fucking stupid. Hate the policy, hate the party. An emotional response to government policy is really irrational and is the result of a misunderstanding of democracy as a concept.
 

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How does an emotional response demonstrate a misunderstanding of democracy? I'm not going to go into the Thatcher particulars because I don't know enough of the details to make a good point, but look at the current government. The Lib Dems getting into "power" had a lot to do with the student vote, based on the mandate they set out during the election. Fast forward a bit and policies completely limiting and destroying the student population are being put into place, on the back of the students who "voted" for this government. They understand democracy, but what they get is not what they voted for, and people have every right to be pissed off about that.

Thatcher was the policy and the party, hating both of those go hand in hand with hating the woman herself, in the same way that a large part of the current generation despise Cameron / Clegg. The emotional response is largely produced because what is promised with democracy and what a large portion of the population get are two very different things.

Also "excluding certain groups for the benefit of the entire country" is an atrocious way to do things; especially when those groups are still feeling the effects today, and large parts of the country have been brought to their knees because of it.

Anyway this is a pointless argument - it's just opinions anyway. I doubt yours will change and I know mine certainly want, so lets just agree to disagree !!
 
I don't really care about her, but I thank her for showing reddit's hypocrisy yet again.

"DAE think that we shouldn't be celebrating the death of Bin Laden because he was a human being?"

"Hooray, a politician we disagree with is dead, we did it reddit!"

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Literally any time you use the word good, you are stating an opinion.
 
people itt are being silly

Anyway I hardly know anything about Thatcher. All I really know is that she was the first female PM and that she was some sort of conservative hero. The former is credit to the country for electing a woman, not credit to a woman for being elected. It's like saying Barack Obama should be credited more simply for being the first black U.S. president. If your support of either character is based on such matters, that's pretty shallow...

People are also being silly with the Hitler example. Yes, it was a "bad example" in that the connotation dwarfed the point being made, but the point still was being made. You can use arbitrary moral standards to praise just about anybody. The strength of your rationality is in what you can't explain, not in what you can.
 

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What puzzles me the most is how the thread author bothered to dig up the Wikipedia article about her in the OP, yet still isn't sure how to spell her name.
 
People are also being silly with the Hitler example. Yes, it was a "bad example" in that the connotation dwarfed the point being made, but the point still was being made. You can use arbitrary moral standards to praise just about anybody. The strength of your rationality is in what you can't explain, not in what you can.
The problem with this line of thought is that if you can't apply your logical process to literally everything even remotely related, it's wrong. For example, if someone were to say they want a video game to punish people more for their mistakes, someone else could say "well by that logic jaywalkers should get the death penalty" and they'd be forced to either start taking their logical process to the absolute extent it could possibly go or completely abandon it due to others thinking they know exactly what the other person was thinking and deeming it "wrong".

Also, what he says is not his entire logical process, assuming otherwise makes you call out their exceptions and anything that doesn't perfectly fit what they said, making them think that their logic is flawed (despite you not actually knowing their logic) and decide that they must simplify and stretch their logical process to the furthest extreme or else it will be "flawed". Seeing a pattern here?

You have to allow people to only go so far or make exceptions in their logic (for example, praising Margaret Thatcher for being persistent and making a change while not praising Hitler for it because whatever Thatcher did wasn't the holocaust), or else people are forced to stick very adamantly to very simple though processes, which makes for very hostile and argumentative discussion.

And if you think I'm talking out of my ass, go discuss anything on Smashboards and then come back to me.
 

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Except hating her for policy that necessarily excluded certain groups for the benefit of the entire country based on the mandate by which she was elected is fucking stupid. Hate the policy, hate the party. An emotional response to government policy is really irrational and is the result of a misunderstanding of democracy as a concept.
I can't believe I missed this gem. Wow seriously wtf? Hitler is a bad example yadayadaya, but he is probably THE most prominent example in history of a politician who "excluded certain groups for the benefit of the entire country based on the mandate by which he/she was elected". Hitler got Germany out of the depression, Hitler turned Germany into a world power, Hitler was elected democratically, Hitler also murdered millions. Does that mean we're not allowed to hate Hitler? We're only allowed to hate the National Socialists and the fascist policies right? Obviously Thatcher isn't even in the same stratosphere as Hitler, but the fact is, she made policies that fucked people over, and they have every right to hate her.

I'm personally couldn't care less about British politics, and recognize that she did indeed fix a number of problems. However, another thing that should be noted is Thatcher's stance against Nelson Mandela, which in my mind is what makes Margaret Thatcher so despicable as an individual. But that's a whole other can of worms.
 

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