You do need to use Ancient Voice, she keeps her forme until the end of the battle.
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Meloetta
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Imo, it is not really good if you are battling in both forms. It doesn't have much coverage if you waste half your skills in both forms. Plus, any good, physical Dark and Bug attacks will defeat in her Voice Form. In her Step Form, Psycho Shock and any physical Psychic, Fighting and Flying attacks will surely defeat her. So, you have to choose one form or the other, not both.
Discussion about Meloetta is rather lacklustre ... Since Ancient Song has to be used to change it to the Pirouette Forme, im pretty sure most players would use the aria form instead since it's a waste of a turn and ur opponent can pretty much KO the next turn. but meloetta ( aria form ) faces competition from other physic pokemons like latios, reuinclus etc.
Any chance that Meloetta would be in OU ?
Any chance that Meloetta would be in OU ?
When I came up with a set for Meloetta, I assumed Aiming Mark would negate any immunities, (but evidently that isn't so, so...)
Meloetta (as a mixed attacker?)
IV's/Nature = ?
Claw Sharpen
Thunder/ (Psyshock)
Ancient Song
Close Combat
This set tries to take advantage of everything that Meloetta's got to offer; Serene Grace doubles the chance of Thunder and Ancient Song, and Claw Sharpen boosts the accuracy of Thunder while increasing the damage off Close Combat. I think it's impressive to note that there's nothing in the game that deals super effective damage to both normal/psychic and normal/fighting, so taking advantage of switching forms mid-battle means Meloetta will never take a super-effective hit. Still, she's probably not bulky enough to survive to use this set very long (if at all).
Too bad she didn't get Aiming Mark the way I thought she would (I thought the item would eliminate the immunities of the opponent, meaning Thunder would hit Ground types, Ancient Song/Close Combat would hit Ghost types, and Psyshock (if you're running it over Thunder) would hit Dark types).
Meloetta (as a mixed attacker?)
IV's/Nature = ?
Claw Sharpen
Thunder/ (Psyshock)
Ancient Song
Close Combat
This set tries to take advantage of everything that Meloetta's got to offer; Serene Grace doubles the chance of Thunder and Ancient Song, and Claw Sharpen boosts the accuracy of Thunder while increasing the damage off Close Combat. I think it's impressive to note that there's nothing in the game that deals super effective damage to both normal/psychic and normal/fighting, so taking advantage of switching forms mid-battle means Meloetta will never take a super-effective hit. Still, she's probably not bulky enough to survive to use this set very long (if at all).
Too bad she didn't get Aiming Mark the way I thought she would (I thought the item would eliminate the immunities of the opponent, meaning Thunder would hit Ground types, Ancient Song/Close Combat would hit Ghost types, and Psyshock (if you're running it over Thunder) would hit Dark types).
It's pretty disappointing that the first Normal/Fighting pokemon has to change forms DURING BATTLE just to even be used.
Still, it seems pretty interesting.
Still, it seems pretty interesting.
Why does it have to change form to be useful?
Stop confuseing people with fake shit.
Next time you see a Normal/Fighting Aria Forme Meloetta, BloodGod, call me, cause I want one of those things.
I've only used this thing on a MonoNormal team as a scarfed revenger and it did "ok" I guess.
Meloetta @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 120 Atk / 252 SAtk / 136 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Close Combat
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Hyper Voice
Tried to make it mixed with CC, even though it isn't the most impressive hit, it's needed for Mono Normals massive Steel issue, and to just not be walled all day. Obviously this is a niche set seeing as it's for monotype, but it's the only place I've found this thing even really useable. The whole taking a turn to change form thing and needing a moveslot for it is just really a shame.
Meloetta @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 120 Atk / 252 SAtk / 136 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Close Combat
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Hyper Voice
Tried to make it mixed with CC, even though it isn't the most impressive hit, it's needed for Mono Normals massive Steel issue, and to just not be walled all day. Obviously this is a niche set seeing as it's for monotype, but it's the only place I've found this thing even really useable. The whole taking a turn to change form thing and needing a moveslot for it is just really a shame.
Okay, so Inb4 Nintendo Tournament hosted by Lady Salamence made me re-visit Meloetta, and it's pretty darn cool. Ariel forme is undoubtedly a better special sponge than Jirachi stat-wise. Type-wise and utility-wise, Jirachi's Steel Typing does give it essential resists to Dragon and to a lesser extent Hurricane, as well as access to Wish.
However, Psychic / Normal and its superior 128 Special Defense makes the Ariel form a much better check against stuff like Gengar and Thundurus imo. It's probably the ultimate Gengar counter, since it's IMMUNE to Shadow Ball and is neutral to Focus Blast.
The need to waste a turn to use Relic Song to gain access to the Step forme was a turn-off initially, but you only have to do this once, so it's not as bad as I thought. Also, with Serene-Grace-enhanced 20% chance to sleep an opponent is pretty cool, too. 128 Atk and 128 Spd is too good to pass up.
I was thinking of a set for the Step forme, and I thought utilizing a Double-STAB would be really cool, since it provides some great coverage.
Relic Song | Close Combat | Frustration | Stone-Edge / Shadow Claw / HP Ice / Work Up / U-turn @ Life Orb
Stone-Edge - Shadow Claw if you don't have a Ghost buster. I prefer Stone-Edge, despite its accuray, since a super-effective Stone-Edge hits far harder than a netural STAB move. Otherwise HP Ice can get rid of Gliscor. Work Up's +1 boost may seem meager, but the 50% boost in damage output can really make a difference. If the opponent fell asleep to Relic Song, it may be a good opportunity to Work Up. Not too much of a fan of U-turn on this set, but it can let you bring in your Ghost buster safely against a Ghost switch-in.
Anybody actually tried out Meloetta in Dream World?
However, Psychic / Normal and its superior 128 Special Defense makes the Ariel form a much better check against stuff like Gengar and Thundurus imo. It's probably the ultimate Gengar counter, since it's IMMUNE to Shadow Ball and is neutral to Focus Blast.
The need to waste a turn to use Relic Song to gain access to the Step forme was a turn-off initially, but you only have to do this once, so it's not as bad as I thought. Also, with Serene-Grace-enhanced 20% chance to sleep an opponent is pretty cool, too. 128 Atk and 128 Spd is too good to pass up.
I was thinking of a set for the Step forme, and I thought utilizing a Double-STAB would be really cool, since it provides some great coverage.
Relic Song | Close Combat | Frustration | Stone-Edge / Shadow Claw / HP Ice / Work Up / U-turn @ Life Orb
Stone-Edge - Shadow Claw if you don't have a Ghost buster. I prefer Stone-Edge, despite its accuray, since a super-effective Stone-Edge hits far harder than a netural STAB move. Otherwise HP Ice can get rid of Gliscor. Work Up's +1 boost may seem meager, but the 50% boost in damage output can really make a difference. If the opponent fell asleep to Relic Song, it may be a good opportunity to Work Up. Not too much of a fan of U-turn on this set, but it can let you bring in your Ghost buster safely against a Ghost switch-in.
Anybody actually tried out Meloetta in Dream World?
I find Meloetta work beautifully with Zoroark, oddly enough. Lots of people just don't seem to know what Meloetta is exactly capable of, or they expect it to Relic Song and turn into Step Forme. So very often, physical walls or stuff like Genesect is swapped in - which gets promptly Flamethrowered.
Meloetta herself I used with UTurn on a further special set. Worked like a charm really, you can usually mix and match what you need to slay and go with that. Just annoying both its STABs have an immunity.
Meloetta herself I used with UTurn on a further special set. Worked like a charm really, you can usually mix and match what you need to slay and go with that. Just annoying both its STABs have an immunity.
Wait, Meloetta stays in Pirouette forme after it's switched out?!
Pirouette forme might be useable after all. Band and scarf sets can be used now at least.
Pirouette forme might be useable after all. Band and scarf sets can be used now at least.
Testing this for myself.
Edit: No, it does not. I switched out against Caitlin's Musharna after transforming, and it had reverted back to Aria form. If Pocket was playing on PO, then that's why it worked that way; PO is unreliable.
It's not like it can randomly decide, "Hm, I'll be... WATER TYPE NOW LOLOLOL!"
It's predictable really, and the type changing, while interesting, may turn out to be more of liability than a blessing since it requires a turn.
Anyway, I was wondering what tier you guys think Meloetta will end up in?
Also wanted to point out that Relic Song is a Normal type move, meaning a Ghost can come in and block her transformation, then have a field day with the Aria form. I think their may be some merit to running a set with Relic Song, Close Combat, Shadow Claw, and Shadow Ball. With naturally high special attack in Aria form, I think it's worth having at least one other move if she gets stuck in Aria form. I could imagine Gengar coming in to block her transformation, then taking a surprise Shadow Ball to the face. While it's not enough to kill, it's enough to prevent him from making a substitute. Then Focus Blast on a non-choice specs variant can only 3HKO her uninvested Aria form.
EDIT: Or Psychic, which, you know, is STAB and does the same thing but better XD.
Dunno if there are other uses for it, but I thought about Gengar and got all excited lol. Perhaps it's too specific of a counter to let her lose her priority for.
Also, I always picture Meloetta dancing to the Song of Storms from the Legend of Zelda series. lol random.
You're way off the mark here. Pinpointing weaknesses is unimportant unless the opponent is notably defensive and/or has loads of resistances. You'd want to use fighting or fire type attacks on Ferrothorn, for example, because it's damn hard to kill and resists everything but the kitchen sink, but most things are threatened by a decently powerful attack of any type.
Neutral coverage is more important that hitting super effectively. If you want to KO a Lilligant with your Haxorus, you'd use Outrage, not Poison Jab. The basic template for an offensive Pokemon is STAB moves + coverage moves to hit the stuff that the STAB moves can't.
EDIT: Ohh dear god THERE IS A SPIDER ON ME!
EDIT again: I've been bitten. I thought it was a burn, but I' think I've been bitten.
Meloetta is far from useless in Aria form. It still has a solid 90 base speed, Serene Grace, 128 SpAtk and amazing 100 HP/128 SpDef. A bunch of people are saying it's incredibly outclassed, but by what exactly? Jirachi, and maybe Celebi? I don't think Meloetta-Aria form is outclassed, it's role is just very difficult to work into a team. Its STABs aren't good in OU and it has no meaningful resistances. This thing will be a beast in UU when it gets released but I don't see it being too common in OU.
The piroette form is the one that's outclassed, if anything. I'd rather run RP Terrakion instead of wasting a turn using Relic Song every time you come in.
The piroette form is the one that's outclassed, if anything. I'd rather run RP Terrakion instead of wasting a turn using Relic Song every time you come in.
No, I just based it off of what people posted in the past.
Mario with Lasers said:
I haven't actually tried Meloetta myself. If PO got it wrong, it's a shame, but as long as it's not fixed then the Step forme definitely has some viability. If they do fix it, Meloetta can still pull off as a one-stand late-game Sweeper maybe, lol.
Ms. Denbo said:
I was hoping that Max Attack Shadow Claw would be enough to deal with ghosts, but unfortunately it doesn't hit hard enough. However, neither does an - SAtk univested Shadow Ball, so you would have to lower one of its defenses, which is a shame. I'd definitely go with Stone-Edge as a physical coverage move, since Shadow Claw is weak imo. Regardless, without STAB Frustration or HP Ice, it gets cock-blocked by Gliscor :/
Rayquaza_ said:
It's a real shame that the Ariel forme doesn't have Wish or any form of recovery other than Rest, otherwise it can be at least be on par with some of the Psychic mons. Reunicles, thanks to Wonder Guard and Recover, outclasses it in terms of longevity and power. Jirachi has the Steel Typing, Wish, and moves to abuse Serene Grace, whereas Meloetta doesn't.
However, Meloetta definitely has superior special bulk to use it to its advantage, imo. It is probably a better Thundurus and Gengar counter than Jirachi, and is not afraid of Heatran either. Maybe a set like Psychic | Focus Blast | Thunder Wave / Protect | Perish Song might work? If you have a Heal Beller, it can certainly use Rest. Calm Mind | Psyshock | Focus Blast | HP Fire / Teeter Dance / Thunder Wave / Chesto Rest may also work.
Also 90 Base Speed is enough to make it a good Scarfer (having a U-turn is a plus, here), and it would also work well as a mean Specs user, thanks to its bulk and power.
JTSwift said:
Yea, I prefer giving it Double STAB for the Step forme, since Normal + Fighting offers great coverage, and spamming STAB attacks takes less prediction and therefore less error. All you need is a ghost buster to eliminate Jellicent, Gengar, or Chandelure, and Meloetta can rip face. Close Combat, Stone Edge / Shadow Claw, HP Ice is definitely threatening, though, and now you have an option to use Expert Belt. You just need to predict more often.
Yeah, it is quite a shame. I'm thinking she'll be Hasty nature since she can't take a Physical hit too well in either form anyway. I just did the calculations for Hasty Aria form Meloetta against Gliscor, and uninvested she can take 3 EQs vs. Gliscor possibly being 2HKO'd by Psychic, but it's pretty likely the Pirouette Form is going to get utterly destroyed and Aria will rarely be in against Gliscor.
Whatever way you look at it she's going to be a weird Pokémon and very interesting to play with.
And it definitely should've gotten Wish.
Whatever way you look at it she's going to be a weird Pokémon and very interesting to play with.
And it definitely should've gotten Wish.
meloetta in aria forme seems like an interesting special tank, kinda like umbreon except IT CAN ACTUALLY HIT BACK. this is notable because meloetta will not end up being set up bait like some other pokemon would (looking at you umbreon)
maybe this set could work (warning i have never used meloetta so this set may suck)
name: CM tank
Meloetta W/leftovers
bold
252hp 252def 4spdef
Calm mind
Psyshock
Hyper voice
Rest
This set aims to use meloetta's Good special defense and boost it to higher levels using calm mind the evs are to maximize meloettas physical defense so it can actually take a hit on the physical side psyshock and hyper voice allow meloetta to hit on both sides of the spectrum and go pseudo-mixed. rest is for recovery. the issue of this set is other than a ghost immunity it has nothing over calm mind reuniclus. I would like to know what you think of this set it may be outclassed but it may be effective dont know I've never use it cause i personally am uncomfortable using unreleased stuff and only make exceptions when an opponent's performs exceptionally well.
maybe this set could work (warning i have never used meloetta so this set may suck)
name: CM tank
Meloetta W/leftovers
bold
252hp 252def 4spdef
Calm mind
Psyshock
Hyper voice
Rest
This set aims to use meloetta's Good special defense and boost it to higher levels using calm mind the evs are to maximize meloettas physical defense so it can actually take a hit on the physical side psyshock and hyper voice allow meloetta to hit on both sides of the spectrum and go pseudo-mixed. rest is for recovery. the issue of this set is other than a ghost immunity it has nothing over calm mind reuniclus. I would like to know what you think of this set it may be outclassed but it may be effective dont know I've never use it cause i personally am uncomfortable using unreleased stuff and only make exceptions when an opponent's performs exceptionally well.
I've been messing around with Meloetta's movepool and have made an interesting set that works excellently:
Meloetta @ Normal Gem
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Relic Song
- Acrobatics
- Shadow Claw
- Close Combat
Basically revenge something slower then you to get into step form. Flying/Fighting gives excellent coverage and Shadow Claw hits Ghost's coming trying to take a CC.
Meloetta @ Normal Gem
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Relic Song
- Acrobatics
- Shadow Claw
- Close Combat
Basically revenge something slower then you to get into step form. Flying/Fighting gives excellent coverage and Shadow Claw hits Ghost's coming trying to take a CC.
Why are you using a normal gem? If you're trying to revenge something slower than you anyways, isn't a one-use item kind of a waste?
Acrobatics is why.
I noticed that Meloetta got a pretty cool movepool. Notably to me, I saw she gets Teeter Dance. Now, out of the availible pokemon, she looks like the best/viable user of it. 100% confusion chance is damn better than any mon relying on confuse ray. Thoughts?