I'm pretty sure multi-hit moves do not break a 1HP Sturdy, as the target is always at full health so even subsequent hits will be ignored.
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Fair point. Tho Greninja is still very worrysome.
Also, doesn't this fall under the "Every Pokémon has ability X" from the list of rejected metas?
You don't want to go too overboard on slow stuff like Ferrothorn and Mega Sableye, when this thing's lurking:
Speed Limit 75 (Smeargle) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Own Tempo
Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Spe
- Moongeist Beam
- Photon Geyser
- Spiky Shield
- Sunsteel Strike / Taunt / filler
Sunsteel Strike trades lack of immunities for being a contact move; maybe if you expect Raticate-Alola to show up, it's worth including. You could even try running Scarf Smeargle, but then you have a worse matchup against Sash users, and weather setters can end your rampage right away.
Other options in the fast department:
What's this batarang thingy? (Swoobat) @ Sticky Barb
Ability: Klutz
Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Spe
- Trick
- Skill Swap
- Flatter
- Taunt
Nice Focus Sash/Safety Goggles you got there! Mind if I take a look at it for a minute? Here, you can hold this sticky barb in the mean time...oops. Unfortunately Swoobat doesn't get Magic Room, but it can at least Skill Swap once it's deployed its trick to try and hit one thing with a Magic Room-like effect, or fish for free confusion hax.
Molting Time (Salazzle) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Oblivious
Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Spe
- Belch
- empty
- empty
- empty
It's pretty niche, but if Belch is your only move (or if you have Assault Vest and nothing but status moves, but AV obviously means no scarf), you will use Struggle right away on turn 1, which doesn't care about Wonder Guard. This is used when you really want to force a 1-for-1 trade (as long as the opponent isn't sash or Sturdy, or somehow faster such as with Water Shuriken/Accelerock), so you don't even mind running into Rocky Helmet because it's a suicide mission anyway, and due to the timing of recoil damage, you can win with this if it's a lastmon situation on both sides.
Speed Limit 75 (Smeargle) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Own Tempo
Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Spe
- Moongeist Beam
- Photon Geyser
- Spiky Shield
- Sunsteel Strike / Taunt / filler
Sunsteel Strike trades lack of immunities for being a contact move; maybe if you expect Raticate-Alola to show up, it's worth including. You could even try running Scarf Smeargle, but then you have a worse matchup against Sash users, and weather setters can end your rampage right away.
Other options in the fast department:
What's this batarang thingy? (Swoobat) @ Sticky Barb
Ability: Klutz
Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Spe
- Trick
- Skill Swap
- Flatter
- Taunt
Nice Focus Sash/Safety Goggles you got there! Mind if I take a look at it for a minute? Here, you can hold this sticky barb in the mean time...oops. Unfortunately Swoobat doesn't get Magic Room, but it can at least Skill Swap once it's deployed its trick to try and hit one thing with a Magic Room-like effect, or fish for free confusion hax.
Molting Time (Salazzle) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Oblivious
Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Spe
- Belch
- empty
- empty
- empty
It's pretty niche, but if Belch is your only move (or if you have Assault Vest and nothing but status moves, but AV obviously means no scarf), you will use Struggle right away on turn 1, which doesn't care about Wonder Guard. This is used when you really want to force a 1-for-1 trade (as long as the opponent isn't sash or Sturdy, or somehow faster such as with Water Shuriken/Accelerock), so you don't even mind running into Rocky Helmet because it's a suicide mission anyway, and due to the timing of recoil damage, you can win with this if it's a lastmon situation on both sides.
Thank you for all the feedbacks.
Poison Heal Pokémon already hold a Toxic Orb so idt it will be a problem.
When I had the idea of this metagame, I didn't even though about Protean. That's in fact a good idea since Greninja (and Kecleon to an extent) have a wide movepool making them impredictable.
For Smeargle I completely forgot to ban Protect-clone and moves which bypasses abilities. They are now banned for the same reason as Protect and Mold Breaker.
Swoobat set is cool but I feel like I would prefer to run Lopunny which is a few slower but has less weaknesses. I also don't really understand your point about Magic Room and Skill Swap.
Also don't forget Safety Goggles, Focus Sash and move confuse inducing moves are banned.
Eelektross and Poison-Dark Pokémon die to burn, poison (only if the user is Salazzle in the case of Poison type), hail, leech seed and sandstorm.
Poison Heal Pokémon already hold a Toxic Orb so idt it will be a problem.
I agree that Ferrothorn will be a great Pokémon, but you made two mistakes: Rowap Berry is unrealesed and Worry Seed is bounced back by Magic Bounce (it is still a great move which I think will be run on every Ferrothorn to deal with Poison Heal, Overcoat, Magic Guard, Cloud Nine, etc...). Also I think that Ferrothorn wouldn't run Speed in order to set up Sandstorm after a potential Hail.
When I had the idea of this metagame, I didn't even though about Protean. That's in fact a good idea since Greninja (and Kecleon to an extent) have a wide movepool making them impredictable.
I will ask that for but the purpose of this metagame isn't only to give every Pokémon the X ability but also to give every Pokémon only 1 HP to look like Shedinja.
Nice sets you got there.
For Smeargle I completely forgot to ban Protect-clone and moves which bypasses abilities. They are now banned for the same reason as Protect and Mold Breaker.
Swoobat set is cool but I feel like I would prefer to run Lopunny which is a few slower but has less weaknesses. I also don't really understand your point about Magic Room and Skill Swap.
Also don't forget Safety Goggles, Focus Sash and move confuse inducing moves are banned.
So why are you allowing weather conditions to be an acceptable way to take down these "Shedmons" (and Safety Goggles NOT an acceptable way to fight back against weather spam), but Moongeist Beam (which has only one legal user in the format, at a rather mediocre 75 base speed) is not just as valid for accomplishing the same goal? A single weather condition can mow down several opponents in succession unless they fall into one of the specific buckets that get an immunity to the damage on typing or ability grounds, by using just 1 or even 0 PP total, and without any particular need for the weather user to stay in afterwards, whereas Moongeist Beam and Photon Geyser require the user actually continues to stay in and live long enough to use its moves if it hopes to get KOs.
I will think about unbanning Safety Goggles. I banned them because they fully invalidates one strategy without any drawback.
Smeargle isn't the only user available since Lunala, Solgaleo and Necrozma (all forms) aren't ban. These move are completely broken since they have only few answers (also no real answers in case of Susteel Strike).
I'd like to ask the community if it agree with a Safety Goggles unban since your post make me reflect.
Mix and Mega Doubles
(I'm entirely aware that mashup om can't be accepted and it's available in ROM (which still follows Mix and Mega clause), so take this as an echo ban list change proposal if you will.)
Metagame premise: Almost every Pokemon can mega evolve with almost every mega stones (or orbs) with the usual limit of one Mega Evolution removed, now in Doubles (Ubers) format!
Clauses: Doubles Ubers clause (Meaning Dark Void is banned while Mega Rayquaza and Baton Pass are allowed), Mega Stone / Orb Clause (only one of each stone on a team)
Banned Stones: Beedrillite, Blazikenite, Gengarite, Kangaskhanite, Mawilite, Medichamite, Pidgeotite
Pokemon that can't Mega Evolve: Arceus, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-N, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon*, Ho-Oh, Kyogre*, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Lunala, Marshadow, Mewtwo*, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings*, Necrozma-Dusk-Mane*, Palkia, Rayquaza*, Regigigas, Reshiram, Slaking, Solgaleo, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom, Zygarde with Power Construct.
* indicates that this Pokémon is still permitted to hold native Mega Stones.
Potential Bans and threats:
Magearna is easily one of the best Pokemon in Doubles Ubers thanks to Soul-Heart, which boosts its Sp. Attack every time a Pokemon faints. With more Pokemon in the field, it’s much easier for Soul-Heart to activate. Also, Trick Room can solve its speed issue while supporting other slower Pokemon. An experienced player definitely will not let Magearna Mega Evolve first in Mix and Mega Doubles so it can rack up the boosts from Soul-Heart, and then mega evolve for more firepower after obtaining enough boosts.
While I would disallow Magearna from mega evolving, I decided it would better to see it in action first before taking any action.
Red Orb and Blue Orb are even better in MNM Doubles as they now can support partner with the primal weather. Again, it’s better off seeing them in action first before doing something.
Jirachi serves as a redirector in Doubles, it can safety scout setup sweepers such as Zygarde and Xerneas with Follow Me. With the help of the mega stones, it gives Jirachi more bulk and even changes its type… at the cost of Serene Grace and berry recovery. Still, it’s definitely something that should be approached with caution.
Unbans in MNM Doubles:
Electrify only affects one Pokemon at a time and there’s only one mega stone with an Electric-type immunity ability, making the move far more tolerable there.
Shadow Tag is unbanned as the main users, Mega Gengar and Gothitelle are far more manageable in Doubles Ubers. Which also means Gengar can mega evolve with Gengarite there.
One of Deoxys Speed’s main appeal is setting up entry hazards. However, the demand of entry hazards isn’t exactly high in Doubles, so it’s permitted to mega evolve in Mix and Mega Doubles. Helps that the main culprit that's unrelated to entry hazards, Pidgeotite is still banned.
One thing that makes Dragonite busted in Mix and Mega is Multiscale. Since it can be double targeted, therefore making it much easier to deal with in MNM Doubles, Dragonite is permitted from mega evolving… and it’s better off mega evolve as soon as possible.
Pheromosa isn’t particularly threatening in Doubles, so it’s allowed to mega evolve. Even with some astonishing benefits, doubt that it will be banned from mega evolving in the future.
And in case you miss it, Mega Rayquaza is allowed in Mix and Mega Doubles due to following the Doubles Ubers clause.
Questions about the community:
What else would you like to add? Should restricted mega stones like Blazikenite be unbanned? Do you think it's a good idea to permit Slaking and Regigigas from mega evolving there?
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Rule Break
Metagame premise:
You follow the OU banlist, except you are allowed to break a rule clause once.
1. If you break a clause that includes a banned ability or move, you can only have one copy of that ability or move, but you can use it repeatedly. The pokemon with the banned ability or move must be nicknamed whatever the banned ability or move is.
2. If you break the no uber clause, you can have one uber pokemon only if its uber usage statistic is under 3.41% (the threshold for UU). Same applies for mega pokemon that are uber.
3. If you break sleep clause, you can cause up to two of your opponent's pokemon to sleep at the same time instead of one, and all you pokemon with a sleep inducing move must be nicknamed "Sleep" in order for it to put a second pokemon to sleep.
4. If you break species clause, you are allowed any number of duplicate pokemon.
Pokemon that aren't breaking rules can't have nicknames.
Potential bans:
1. OU banlist (minus the one exception)
2. Endless battle clause
Potential threats (but you only get one):
Low usage Ubers: Palkia, Lunala, Blaziken, Zekrom, Mewtwo, Landorus, Solgaleo, Deoxys-D, Reshiram
Trapping abilities: Dugtrio, Gothitelle, Wobbuffet
Moody: Bibarel, Glalie, Octillery
Baton Passers: Scolipede, Smeargle
Double Sleepers: Amoonguss, Breloom, Smeargle
Minimizers: Clefable, Muk-Alola
OHKO users: Gliscor, Suicune, Nidoking, Mamoswine
Questions for the community:
Is this too close to OU?
Does this sound fun to play?
Are the different rule breaks balanced enough?
Metagame premise:
You follow the OU banlist, except you are allowed to break a rule clause once.
1. If you break a clause that includes a banned ability or move, you can only have one copy of that ability or move, but you can use it repeatedly. The pokemon with the banned ability or move must be nicknamed whatever the banned ability or move is.
2. If you break the no uber clause, you can have one uber pokemon only if its uber usage statistic is under 3.41% (the threshold for UU). Same applies for mega pokemon that are uber.
3. If you break sleep clause, you can cause up to two of your opponent's pokemon to sleep at the same time instead of one, and all you pokemon with a sleep inducing move must be nicknamed "Sleep" in order for it to put a second pokemon to sleep.
4. If you break species clause, you are allowed any number of duplicate pokemon.
Pokemon that aren't breaking rules can't have nicknames.
Potential bans:
1. OU banlist (minus the one exception)
2. Endless battle clause
Potential threats (but you only get one):
Low usage Ubers: Palkia, Lunala, Blaziken, Zekrom, Mewtwo, Landorus, Solgaleo, Deoxys-D, Reshiram
Trapping abilities: Dugtrio, Gothitelle, Wobbuffet
Moody: Bibarel, Glalie, Octillery
Baton Passers: Scolipede, Smeargle
Double Sleepers: Amoonguss, Breloom, Smeargle
Minimizers: Clefable, Muk-Alola
OHKO users: Gliscor, Suicune, Nidoking, Mamoswine
Questions for the community:
Is this too close to OU?
Does this sound fun to play?
Are the different rule breaks balanced enough?
Going up against evasion or OHKO moves sounds like the opposite of fun, and allowing one UUber is like Godly Gift or Gods and Followers but less interesting and needlessly complicated. This whole thing in general just sounds like a crappy middle ground of OU and Anything Goes. I wish I could offer criticism without sounding rude, but this is honestly a terrible idea for a metagame.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to Scarf Critiques OM Submissions, the critically acclaimed TV show you've never heard of (coming to your TV screens soon)! It's your host SW, the host with the most, the man with the plan here to run us through our contestant's concepts! The participants with the best ideas wins the prestigious honor of having their concept realised as a fully-fledged OM!* So let's waste no more time and get started.
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Our first concept is actually 3 grouped into one package. There's gmfc's MnM AG, insaneguy1083's MnM BH and, last but not least, HeatEdgeSword's MnM Doubles! Let's first familiarize ourselves with these 3 Mix & Mega-themed metas:
these 3 collectively share the problem of being a mash up OM so right off the bat they would be rejected, but im sure people already know that. In the case of the first two though, there are a host of other issues such as them being near-impossible to balance. As metas like Shared Power have taught us when everything is so dangerously powerful achieving true balance is like a pipe dream. Then there's also what QT mentioned earlier, how at times they go against the rules of the metas its created from. In MnM AG's case thats allowing things like Ash Greninja mega evolve and in MnM BH's case its how Arceus is handled.
My rating: BAN/10
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Not looking good so far... Let's see if our next contestant can wow the crowd with their idea:
While it's a unique idea, my biggest qualm about this is the RNG part of it. Introducing yet another luck factor would suck for a competitive format as it takes less control away from the players, and ultimately have a bigger hand in which player wins, disregarding skill. I was thinking maybe have the type you change into be controlled in some way by the player (EG. have a higher chance of transforming into the type of any moves they've used in the past or something). This sort of reminds me of Protean Palace from last gen. Perhaps think about taking that over? You have a sort of similar concept here.
My rating: COULD BE GOOD WITH SOME IMPROVEMENTS/10
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Things are looking up for our contestants. Perhaps Tuthur1's upcoming pitch can impress our otherwise unwavering host?
To quote the commonly rejected metas list:
My rating: ANOTHER BAN/10
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This sounds like a pain to successfully code and sort of unfun to play if you ask me. The reason why a bunch of these rules are set in place is because they introduce uncompetitive aspects into the game. Like Moody, what's fun about praying to get evasion boosts? Same for OHKO moves, Minimize, BP, STAG, Arena Trap and sleep moves. The only rule that doesn't sound unfun to break would be the Uber one, but then it'd just be a budget Follow the Leader / Godly Gift. In short, I agree with DrPumpkinz above (in retrospect I just copied what they said, rip).
My rating: KEEP OU CLAUSES/10
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And there it is, folks! Unfortunately many of our contestants today are heading home empty-handed... But don't let our host put you off! Continue to submit and there's a chance we'll review your concept! Tune in to Scarf Critiques OM Submissions every week*! Until next time, stay safe and godspeed!
*(Definitely won't be every week)
*(May or may not be true)
Our first concept is actually 3 grouped into one package. There's gmfc's MnM AG, insaneguy1083's MnM BH and, last but not least, HeatEdgeSword's MnM Doubles! Let's first familiarize ourselves with these 3 Mix & Mega-themed metas:
After some thought, here's what I had to say:
these 3 collectively share the problem of being a mash up OM so right off the bat they would be rejected, but im sure people already know that. In the case of the first two though, there are a host of other issues such as them being near-impossible to balance. As metas like Shared Power have taught us when everything is so dangerously powerful achieving true balance is like a pipe dream. Then there's also what QT mentioned earlier, how at times they go against the rules of the metas its created from. In MnM AG's case thats allowing things like Ash Greninja mega evolve and in MnM BH's case its how Arceus is handled.
My rating: BAN/10
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Not looking good so far... Let's see if our next contestant can wow the crowd with their idea:
Their feedback was:
While it's a unique idea, my biggest qualm about this is the RNG part of it. Introducing yet another luck factor would suck for a competitive format as it takes less control away from the players, and ultimately have a bigger hand in which player wins, disregarding skill. I was thinking maybe have the type you change into be controlled in some way by the player (EG. have a higher chance of transforming into the type of any moves they've used in the past or something). This sort of reminds me of Protean Palace from last gen. Perhaps think about taking that over? You have a sort of similar concept here.
My rating: COULD BE GOOD WITH SOME IMPROVEMENTS/10
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Things are looking up for our contestants. Perhaps Tuthur1's upcoming pitch can impress our otherwise unwavering host?
Without any hesitation, I immediately responded with:First of all sorry for my bad english.
Shedmon
Metagame Premise: Every Pokémon has only one HP and a second ability which is Wonder Guard.
Bans:
Potential Bans:
- Safety Goggles because they make Sturdy and Magic Bounce broken, as well as invalidating weather teams.
- Focus Sash, Protect, Detect, Spiky Shield, King's Shield, Baneful Bunker, Mat Block and Endure because they allow you to scoot for your opponents moveset and will prevent bait and lure which are the key of this metagame.
- Confuse Ray (and all Confuse inducing moves) because they are basically OHKO-moves in this metagame.
- Mold Breaker, Teravolt, Turboblaze, Photo Geyser, Moongeist Beam, Sunsteel Strike and Core Enforcer because they invalidates Wonder Guard which is the center of this metagame and will make every game decide on a speed tie between 2 Choice Scarf Basculin.
- Stealth Rock, Spikes and Toxic Spikes are obviously banned since they kill you upon switch-in.
Unbans:
Potential Threats:
- OHKO moves since every move is already an OHKO-moves.
- Ubers and Mega-Rayquaza
- Baton Pass
Questions for the community: What do you think should be banned or unbanned ? Will this meta be fun ?
- Sandstream and Snow Warning
- Leech Seed
- Toxic
- Corrosion
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pokémon with immunities to common strategies (Mamoswine, Sandslash-Alola, Magic Guard, Magic Bounce, Overcoat, Poison Heal, Cloud Nine, Primal Weather, ...)
- Magnet Pull (removes a lot of immunities to Sandstorm and Toxic)
- Sturdy
To quote the commonly rejected metas list:
Allowing mons to retain their original ability also wouldn't save this IMO since it'd create situations where certain Pokemon with enough unique traits would warp the meta (like Forry).
My rating: ANOTHER BAN/10
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My response was:
This sounds like a pain to successfully code and sort of unfun to play if you ask me. The reason why a bunch of these rules are set in place is because they introduce uncompetitive aspects into the game. Like Moody, what's fun about praying to get evasion boosts? Same for OHKO moves, Minimize, BP, STAG, Arena Trap and sleep moves. The only rule that doesn't sound unfun to break would be the Uber one, but then it'd just be a budget Follow the Leader / Godly Gift. In short, I agree with DrPumpkinz above (in retrospect I just copied what they said, rip).
My rating: KEEP OU CLAUSES/10
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Mega Insurgence
(probably won't be approved)
Metagame premise: A format that allows existing fan game mega stone for existing Pokemon. That is if we get the permission from the creators and not having any custom ability.
Mega Evolution simply works best in competitive battles. However, fangames tend to be to the source of custom mega evolution usually doesn't have online battle features. Hence the creation of that other metagame idea which might crash and burn.
As a reminder, Mega Stones that have any custom ability will not be permitted. Meaning that Mega Meganium from Insurgence will be allowed as it has an existing ability whereas Mega Typhlosion will not as it has a custom ability.
Also, they will use the movepool from the official games rather than the ones in the fan game. So don't expect stuff like Mega Marowak using Shadow Sneak anytime soon.
Banlist and Clauses: OU clauses, Mega Haxorus
Potential bans and threats:
From Insurgence:
Mega Marowak can 2HKO most of the Pokemon without too much effort with Parental Bond and Seismic Toss. Probably will be the first to go.
Mega Bisharp will pose a huge threat as it may boost its attack as a regular Bisharp with Defiant, then if Mega Bisharp gets a KO, it gets an attack boost from Moxie. Mega Bisharp is quite fast as well.
Questions to the community: Should Zoronite be disallowed for technicality issue?
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Can you provide us with a list of those fangame mega evolutions?
Umm... Pokemon Insurgenece... I can only find one that has custom mega evolution for existing Pokemon, really.
I think he means something like this.
Uranium has 2 extras
Project Azurite has 13 extras
These were just from a really simple google search's first page, so there's probably more
I havent posted for a while and im getting kinda boring so i might as well post here again, this time im going for a petmod
Here it goes!
Metagame premise: this mod will go though with each pokestar mon one by one through a four step process to make them playable in OU (or lower tiers i guess?)
1st stage is concept: we see whats this mon role/nice supposed to be based on the design or flavor in the games
2nd stage is ability and additional typing slate: we will decide to vote on extra abilities including HA if it fit flavorwise on the mon and if the mon needs/deserves a secondary typing
3th stage is moveset slate, we will decide what moves to give this mon and vote on the best moveset
4th step is playtesting and final tweaks
Pokestar Black Belt (M)
Ability: Huge Power
Type: Fighting
Pokestar Black Door (F)
Ability: Early Bird
Type: Grass
Pokestar Brycen-Man (M)
Ability: Levitate
Type: Dark/Psychic
Pokestar F-00
Ability: Volt Absorb
Type: Steel/Normal
Pokestar F-002
Ability: Reckless
Type: Steel/Normal
Pokestar Giant (F)
Ability: Huge Power
Type: Normal
Pokestar Humanoid
Ability: Insomnia
Type: Normal
Pokestar Monster
Ability: Pressure
Type: Dark
Pokestar MT
Ability: Analytic
Type: Steel
Pokestar MT2
Ability: Flash Fire
Type: Steel/Electric
Pokestar Spirit
Ability: Wonder Guard
Type: Dark/Ghost
Pokestar Transport
Ability: Motor Drive
Type: Steel
Pokestar UFO
Ability: Levitate
Type: Flying/Electric
Pokestar UFO-2
Ability: Levitate
Type: Psychic/Electric
Pokestar White Door (M)
Ability: Blaze
Type: Fire
Missingno.
Questions for the community:
Here it goes!
Forgotton mons
Haven't you ever wanted to play with the pokestar studios pokemon on showdown? Are u mad that missingno is illegal even with its shitty stats? Well for those who fell in love with these pokemon we can finally help you make them playable, here we tweak them to be fully playable pokemon!
Metagame premise: this mod will go though with each pokestar mon one by one through a four step process to make them playable in OU (or lower tiers i guess?)
1st stage is concept: we see whats this mon role/nice supposed to be based on the design or flavor in the games
2nd stage is ability and additional typing slate: we will decide to vote on extra abilities including HA if it fit flavorwise on the mon and if the mon needs/deserves a secondary typing
3th stage is moveset slate, we will decide what moves to give this mon and vote on the best moveset
4th step is playtesting and final tweaks
Pokestar Black Belt (M)
Ability: Huge Power
Type: Fighting
Pokestar Black Door (F)
Ability: Early Bird
Type: Grass
Pokestar Brycen-Man (M)
Ability: Levitate
Type: Dark/Psychic
Pokestar F-00
Ability: Volt Absorb
Type: Steel/Normal
Pokestar F-002
Ability: Reckless
Type: Steel/Normal
Pokestar Giant (F)
Ability: Huge Power
Type: Normal
Pokestar Humanoid
Ability: Insomnia
Type: Normal
Pokestar Monster
Ability: Pressure
Type: Dark
Pokestar MT
Ability: Analytic
Type: Steel
Pokestar MT2
Ability: Flash Fire
Type: Steel/Electric
Pokestar Spirit
Ability: Wonder Guard
Type: Dark/Ghost
Pokestar Transport
Ability: Motor Drive
Type: Steel
Pokestar UFO
Ability: Levitate
Type: Flying/Electric
Pokestar UFO-2
Ability: Levitate
Type: Psychic/Electric
Pokestar White Door (M)
Ability: Blaze
Type: Fire
Missingno.
- Should stats be changed? I feel making it 500-570 bst will balance them alot than 600 for each one
- Would u rather not change ability or typing and balance moveset around it or not? Cause ill find mons like pokestar spirit and pokestar blackbelt hard to balance
- Are there any other mons that were unplayable in the games? If so please tell
- Does this even sound fun? for me it does, im surprised nothing has been ever done with them already in the first place
I havent posted for a while and im getting kinda boring so i might as well post here again, this time im going for a petmod
Here it goes!
Forgotton monsHaven't you ever wanted to play with the pokestar studios pokemon on showdown? Are u mad that missingno is illegal even with its shitty stats? Well for those who fell in love with these pokemon we can finally help you make them playable, here we tweak them to be fully playable pokemon!
Metagame premise: this mod will go though with each pokestar mon one by one through a four step process to make them playable in OU (or lower tiers i guess?)
1st stage is concept: we see whats this mon role/nice supposed to be based on the design or flavor in the games
2nd stage is ability and additional typing slate: we will decide to vote on extra abilities including HA if it fit flavorwise on the mon and if the mon needs/deserves a secondary typing
3th stage is moveset slate, we will decide what moves to give this mon and vote on the best moveset
4th step is playtesting and final tweaks
Questions for the community:
Pokestar Black Belt (M)
Ability: Huge Power
Type: Fighting
Pokestar Black Door (F)
Ability: Early Bird
Type: Grass
Pokestar Brycen-Man (M)
Ability: Levitate
Type: Dark/Psychic
Pokestar F-00
Ability: Volt Absorb
Type: Steel/Normal
Pokestar F-002
Ability: Reckless
Type: Steel/Normal
Pokestar Giant (F)
Ability: Huge Power
Type: Normal
Pokestar Humanoid
Ability: Insomnia
Type: Normal
Pokestar Monster
Ability: Pressure
Type: Dark
Pokestar MT
Ability: Analytic
Type: Steel
Pokestar MT2
Ability: Flash Fire
Type: Steel/Electric
Pokestar Spirit
Ability: Wonder Guard
Type: Dark/Ghost
Pokestar Transport
Ability: Motor Drive
Type: Steel
Pokestar UFO
Ability: Levitate
Type: Flying/Electric
Pokestar UFO-2
Ability: Levitate
Type: Psychic/Electric
Pokestar White Door (M)
Ability: Blaze
Type: Fire
Missingno.
Thanks for reading, id love to hear ur thoughts
- Should stats be changed? I feel making it 500-570 bst will balance them alot than 600 for each one
- Would u rather not change ability or typing and balance moveset around it or not? Cause ill find mons like pokestar spirit and pokestar blackbelt hard to balance
- Are there any other mons that were unplayable in the games? If so please tell
- Does this even sound fun? for me it does, im surprised nothing has been ever done with them already in the first place
Will this include impossible mons, like Aegislash Blade Form and the Castform Formes?
Also, I think you should not keep the idea of needing to have the original typings, stats and abilties. The only thing you would think about and should put in 1st priority is flavor. The flavor should be based on the role of the character in the movie, their abilities and their forms.
Also, will there be custom abilities and moves?
Nope to not overcomplicate stuff that leads to ton of mons with forme changes being tweaked, so thats why its only based on mons in the game but are not possible to use in battle without hacking (basically pokestars, missingno and the pink flowery mon that was never released)
Im not sure about custom abilities yet, well cross that bridge when we reach to it
Thanks for ur criticism
Aggressively Used (AU)
You like stall? Well, I certainly do not. Thats why I had the idea for this metagame. This metagame is practically OU but without the following things.
Bans:
-Regenerator
-Leftovers
-Stealth Rock, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Sticky Web
-Recover, Rest, Slack Off, Synthesis, Moonlight and all other health replenishing moves
-Substitute
-Protect, Spiky Shield, Magic Coat, Mat block, etc..
-Toxic
-Leech Seed
-Thunderwave, Stun Spore, Nuzzle
-Willow-wisp
-Perish Song
-Spore, Sleep Powder, Hypnosis
-Infestation
- Encore
-Taunt
-Disable
- Poison Heal
- Recycle
-Confuse Ray, Swagger
-Cotton Guard
-Amnesia, Acid Armor
Unbans:
-Beserk Gene: I know it's a silly item but why don't give players the option to use it?
-Attack boosting gems: I know we already have z-chrystals but you can only use those once per battle and more offensively inclined items won't
hurt the metagame.
Questions for the Community:
-Do you think this kinda metagame would be fun?
- Should assault vest be banned?
- Are there any other items that I have forgotten that would hinder the metagames idea of being a simplified offensive metagame?
- Any other things that could be improved?
You like stall? Well, I certainly do not. Thats why I had the idea for this metagame. This metagame is practically OU but without the following things.
Bans:
-Regenerator
-Leftovers
-Stealth Rock, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Sticky Web
-Recover, Rest, Slack Off, Synthesis, Moonlight and all other health replenishing moves
-Substitute
-Protect, Spiky Shield, Magic Coat, Mat block, etc..
-Toxic
-Leech Seed
-Thunderwave, Stun Spore, Nuzzle
-Willow-wisp
-Perish Song
-Spore, Sleep Powder, Hypnosis
-Infestation
- Encore
-Taunt
-Disable
- Poison Heal
- Recycle
-Confuse Ray, Swagger
-Cotton Guard
-Amnesia, Acid Armor
Unbans:
-Beserk Gene: I know it's a silly item but why don't give players the option to use it?
-Attack boosting gems: I know we already have z-chrystals but you can only use those once per battle and more offensively inclined items won't
hurt the metagame.
Questions for the Community:
-Do you think this kinda metagame would be fun?
- Should assault vest be banned?
- Are there any other items that I have forgotten that would hinder the metagames idea of being a simplified offensive metagame?
- Any other things that could be improved?
No stall? Dude, why are you even asking if this would be fun?
Berserk Gene isn't allowed as it only truly exists in Generation 2 games. The rest of the gems aren't allowed as the only obtainable Gem in the Generation 7 game is Normal Gen.
But the other metagame only exist on showdown so why should it matter?
[name of meta here]
all pokemon have there 3 highest stats replaced with the lowest level of there pre evolutions stats for instance raichu stats go from this
Normal Raichu
HP 60
Atk 90
Def 55
SpA 90
SpD 80
Spe 110
To this
This metas raichu
HP 60
Atk 40
Def 55
SpA 35
SpD 80
Spe 60
making the pokemon almost a middle evolution of sorts
This meta also has the side effect of pretty much throwing out all of the ou meta as most of it is non evolving and legendary pokemon
22 ou pokemon would be legal
15 BL would be legal
note this also counts mega evolution as well
(pokemon not in a evolution line are not allowed)
Should Hp be one of the things that is factored in? would things like blissey and chancey take a hit from only having 100 hp and 65 SpDef?
if a pokemon has equal stats like flygon how should it be decided? should it go off the most common moves it runs for instance if it mostly runs physical would it go off attack and make it lower or if its status make one of its defenses lower if so how would that work?
Is this meta too similar to anything else?
Would this be different then a normal ou meta?
Is anything overly broken?
Does this look like a fun meta?
all pokemon have there 3 highest stats replaced with the lowest level of there pre evolutions stats for instance raichu stats go from this
Normal Raichu
HP 60
Atk 90
Def 55
SpA 90
SpD 80
Spe 110
To this
This metas raichu
HP 60
Atk 40
Def 55
SpA 35
SpD 80
Spe 60
making the pokemon almost a middle evolution of sorts
Normal
HP 72
Atk 95
Def 67
SpA 103
SpD 71
Spe 122
Meta
HP 72
Atk 56
Def 67
SpA 62
SpD 71
Spe 71
HP 72
Atk 95
Def 67
SpA 103
SpD 71
Spe 122
Meta
HP 72
Atk 56
Def 67
SpA 62
SpD 71
Spe 71
Normal
HP 73
Atk 67
Def 75
SpA 81
SpD 100
Spe 109
Meta
HP 73
Atk 67
Def 75
SpA 50
SpD 65
Spe 65
HP 73
Atk 67
Def 75
SpA 81
SpD 100
Spe 109
Meta
HP 73
Atk 67
Def 75
SpA 50
SpD 65
Spe 65
22 ou pokemon would be legal
15 BL would be legal
note this also counts mega evolution as well
(pokemon not in a evolution line are not allowed)
Should Hp be one of the things that is factored in? would things like blissey and chancey take a hit from only having 100 hp and 65 SpDef?
if a pokemon has equal stats like flygon how should it be decided? should it go off the most common moves it runs for instance if it mostly runs physical would it go off attack and make it lower or if its status make one of its defenses lower if so how would that work?
Is this meta too similar to anything else?
Would this be different then a normal ou meta?
Is anything overly broken?
Does this look like a fun meta?
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