Pinch berries have already been banned, but oran and juice are to be looked at. While I don't think instant healing to 50% is OP (Toxic, burn or just SE damage) this could be a problem for lesser prepared teams. However, I do not think banning something because inexperienced players will struggle with it is the right course of action. Plus, literally every team will have a knock off user too.
Occa berry ferrothorn/scizor will be very very strong.Role Reversal: All consumable items can now be used infinitely, and all abilities that can pop more than once a game are limited to a single use.
Example: Power herb fly on landorus therian is now spammable, but intimidate will only work once.
Bans: Sitrus berry, Super sitrus berries, lum berry, chesto berry-Kyurem-Black: Gets extremely powerful physical Ice STAB with Power Herb. Even though Knock Off is going to be everywhere in this meta, I'm still leaning towards the traditional ban Kyurem-Black receives whenever a physical Ice move is available to it.
-Victini: With White Herb, V-Create no longer has any drawbacks.
-Cloyster: Similarly to Victini, Cloyster can use White Herb to prevent the negative effects of Shell Smash.
-Slaking: As I'm pretty sure Truant activates more than once, Slaking becomes a massive threat due to only missing out on one turn.
-Dedenne: Cheek Pouch lets it heal every time its berry activates. Though its defenses are terrible, it can restore HP after being hit by any physical attack if it holds the Kee Berry (and gets +1 Defense to boot), or by a special attack if it holds the Maranga Berry (with +1 Sp. Def as well). Despite this, I don't think Dedenne deserves a ban; it's really bad and needs all the help it can get.
-Unfezant: Power Herb lets it spam Sky Attack, which has a high critical-hit chance. Combined with Super Luck, it has a 50% chance to land a critical hit.
-Shedinja: Sturdinja returns, with Wonder Guard to boot (but only once). Though it's annihilated by any passive damage, Shedinja with a Focus Sash can't be beaten by direct damage unless the Focus Sash is knocked off. This gives it a niche as a blanket check to hyper offense, which generally relies almost entirely on attacks.
-Gems: If they're unbanned, Gems will give a Life Orb boost to any move of the same type, which can be a good option on things that tend to carry type-boosting items (like Bisharp and Tapu Koko).
-Magnezone: Holding an Air Balloon, it effectively gains Levitate, giving it a positive matchup against Ground-types—things like Lando-T, Garchomp, Mamoswine and Excadrill can no longer do significant damage to it, and it traps Excadrill to boot.
-Red Card: Anything that hits the holder switches out, all the time. It's not overpowered, but it's pretty good on bulky Pokémon, and it's also hilarious.
-Eject Button: Whenever the holder is hit, it switches out, all the time. This one might be overpowered, because if the holder has Regenerator they heal 1/3 of their HP every time they're hit unless they're the only thing on the field. We'll have to test it out first.
-Weakness Policy: This speaks for itself.
-Kee Berry and Maranga Berry: Put one of these on a bulky Pokémon and watch it get bulkier and bulkier over time. Kee Berry gives +1 Defense every time the holder is hit with a physical move, which something like Chansey might actually appreciate more than Eviolite. Maranga Berry is the Kee Berry's special counterpart, essentially giving the holder an Assault Vest after they're hit once and even more boosts after that. It's a lot like Stamina, but better.
-Knock Off: You know that huge list of threats I just made? Knock Off eliminates every single one except Slaking.
-Hoopa-U: Start it off without an item, then steal your opponent's with Magician.
Cell Battery: An effective immunity to electric plus an attack raise makes this very good for flying types.
Absorb Bulb: Oh yeah, you can have storm drain now, too!
Unbans: Pheromosa for the simple reason that lando will not be as prevalent, and beast boost is not as good
NOTE: Z- moves and mega stones do not change. Regenerator doesn't pop, so it still works the same.
Example Set:Nerfs: -Hawlucha: Since it's nigh impossible to activate Unburden in this meta, Hawlucha loses the one thing keeping it relevant.
-Azumarill: Sitrus Berry is unavailable, so Belly Drum is a lot riskier.
-Ground-types: Air Balloon can effectively give anything Levitate, so Ground-types and Ground coverage are significantly less reliable.
-Shuca Berry: Completely outclassed by Air Balloon.
-Moxie/ Beast Boost: Only activating once is a huge nerf.
The tapus are now severely weaker, with only one terrain being able to go up. Same with weather setting mons.
Landorus Therian: Lando struggles with ground being an ineffective STAB option, and intimidate being very bad. On the plus side, it has a reliable STAB flying option in fly now, so that's something. Overall, it's just not nearly as good as it is in OU. Expect to see a big drop off in usage.
Kyurem-Black @ Power Herb
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Freeze Shock
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Fusion Bolt
- Outrage / Hone Claws / Roost
Hope you consider this idea!
EDIT: Gems are unbanned as well!
I submitted this idea a couple weeks back, so I'd like to bring it up again so maybe one of the mods responds :( This was the version I submitted, but it can still be tweaked. This is also for ESN 64 's idea.
Scizor will likely stick with Scizorite, and Ferrothorn will probably use Chople Berry.
Still, these pokemon have no way to deal with knock off, which is exactly why scizor likes to mega.
some one suggested it like a page ago right?Role Reversal: All consumable items can now be used infinitely, and all abilities that can pop more than once a game are limited to a single use.
Example: Power herb fly on landorus therian is now spammable, but intimidate will only work once.
Bans: Sitrus berry, Super sitrus berries, lum berry, chesto berry-Kyurem-Black: Gets extremely powerful physical Ice STAB with Power Herb. Even though Knock Off is going to be everywhere in this meta, I'm still leaning towards the traditional ban Kyurem-Black receives whenever a physical Ice move is available to it.
-Victini: With White Herb, V-Create no longer has any drawbacks.
-Cloyster: Similarly to Victini, Cloyster can use White Herb to prevent the negative effects of Shell Smash.
-Slaking: As I'm pretty sure Truant activates more than once, Slaking becomes a massive threat due to only missing out on one turn.
-Dedenne: Cheek Pouch lets it heal every time its berry activates. Though its defenses are terrible, it can restore HP after being hit by any physical attack if it holds the Kee Berry (and gets +1 Defense to boot), or by a special attack if it holds the Maranga Berry (with +1 Sp. Def as well). Despite this, I don't think Dedenne deserves a ban; it's really bad and needs all the help it can get.
-Unfezant: Power Herb lets it spam Sky Attack, which has a high critical-hit chance. Combined with Super Luck, it has a 50% chance to land a critical hit.
-Shedinja: Sturdinja returns, with Wonder Guard to boot (but only once). Though it's annihilated by any passive damage, Shedinja with a Focus Sash can't be beaten by direct damage unless the Focus Sash is knocked off. This gives it a niche as a blanket check to hyper offense, which generally relies almost entirely on attacks.
-Gems: If they're unbanned, Gems will give a Life Orb boost to any move of the same type, which can be a good option on things that tend to carry type-boosting items (like Bisharp and Tapu Koko).
-Magnezone: Holding an Air Balloon, it effectively gains Levitate, giving it a positive matchup against Ground-types—things like Lando-T, Garchomp, Mamoswine and Excadrill can no longer do significant damage to it, and it traps Excadrill to boot.
-Red Card: Anything that hits the holder switches out, all the time. It's not overpowered, but it's pretty good on bulky Pokémon, and it's also hilarious.
-Eject Button: Whenever the holder is hit, it switches out, all the time. This one might be overpowered, because if the holder has Regenerator they heal 1/3 of their HP every time they're hit unless they're the only thing on the field. We'll have to test it out first.
-Weakness Policy: This speaks for itself.
-Kee Berry and Maranga Berry: Put one of these on a bulky Pokémon and watch it get bulkier and bulkier over time. Kee Berry gives +1 Defense every time the holder is hit with a physical move, which something like Chansey might actually appreciate more than Eviolite. Maranga Berry is the Kee Berry's special counterpart, essentially giving the holder an Assault Vest after they're hit once and even more boosts after that. It's a lot like Stamina, but better.
-Knock Off: You know that huge list of threats I just made? Knock Off eliminates every single one except Slaking.
-Hoopa-U: Start it off without an item, then steal your opponent's with Magician.
Cell Battery: An effective immunity to electric plus an attack raise makes this very good for flying types.
Absorb Bulb: Oh yeah, you can have storm drain now, too!
Unbans: Pheromosa for the simple reason that lando will not be as prevalent, and beast boost is not as good
NOTE: Z- moves and mega stones do not change. Regenerator doesn't pop, so it still works the same.
Example Set:Nerfs: -Hawlucha: Since it's nigh impossible to activate Unburden in this meta, Hawlucha loses the one thing keeping it relevant.
-Azumarill: Sitrus Berry is unavailable, so Belly Drum is a lot riskier.
-Ground-types: Air Balloon can effectively give anything Levitate, so Ground-types and Ground coverage are significantly less reliable.
-Shuca Berry: Completely outclassed by Air Balloon.
-Moxie/ Beast Boost: Only activating once is a huge nerf.
The tapus are now severely weaker, with only one terrain being able to go up. Same with weather setting mons.
Landorus Therian: Lando struggles with ground being an ineffective STAB option, and intimidate being very bad. On the plus side, it has a reliable STAB flying option in fly now, so that's something. Overall, it's just not nearly as good as it is in OU. Expect to see a big drop off in usage.
Kyurem-Black @ Power Herb
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Freeze Shock
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Fusion Bolt
- Outrage / Hone Claws / Roost
Hope you consider this idea!
EDIT: Gems are unbanned as well!
I submitted this idea a couple weeks back, so I'd like to bring it up again so maybe one of the mods responds :( This was the version I submitted, but it can still be tweaked. This is also for ESN 64 's idea.
Wait. I think I remember that. It was based on the ability Harvest. If it's the one I'm thinking of
You mean recycables? And also the idea is not just that and nothing more, are you forgetting the abilities?
Yes it does!
Seems fine as is to me.
One sounds fine to me.
I really like that idea, very simple and reduces the moves that need to be banned, although loss of status moves will be missed
How about not having the stab move learning that way its more creative, in my opinion I think it would allow for more creative and more things being viable if you had to already had to have that move although it would bring it closer to camomons/hidden power meta (forgot the name)Hello, i wanted to revive an idea that had a lot of following a while ago and how could we revise it, so here it goes
Plate Shuffle!
Have you ever wanted to use a mon that had decent defensive stats but couldn't pull it off due to bad typing? Wanted to use ur favourite offensive mon but had it suffer from a terrible movepool? Well all these problems disappear when you play Plate Shuffle!
Metagame premise: An OU based meta game where a pokemons secondary typing changes to the plate typing the pokemon is holding, while also getting access to only one move of that type, and you can change the pokemons primary type according to the memory its holding while getting one moves from that type too!
Example:
Arcanine @ Earth Plate
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Lax Nature
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun
By holding a ground plate, arcanine now gets an additional ground typing with access to earthquake, it now can work as a great intimidator that's neutral to rocks and ice
This also works for offensive threats obviously! Mons can now get better coverage and typing with good plate typing a such as ground/fire/fighting and ghost plates
Gengar @ Fist Plate
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Secret Sword
- Shadow Ball
- Taunt / Will-o-Wisp
- Hex
Hydreigon @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Serious Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Dark Pulse
- Earth Power
- Roost
Azumarill @ Dark Memory
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Aqua Jet
- Knock Off
- Liquidation
Dhelmise @ Iron Plate
Ability: Steelworker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Kings Shield
- Anchor Shot
- Shadow Claw
- Rapid Spin / Morning Sun
FAQ
Can my plate get knock off-ed or tricked?
No it cant as it ruins point of the meta lol. Goodbye knock off spam
Do plates give boosts? Why doesnt memories give power boost?
For sake of balancing both memories and plates, neither will give a power boost
How do i know my opponents typing? Unfair if i hjk a blissey and turns out shes immune
No worries, it should work like MnM and camomons where changed typings are shown
Isnt this meta just a mashup/spinoff of many combined metas?
If you consider typemons to be a stabmons spinoff or hidden type to be based off camonons then yea probably
Potential bans and threats:
Moves: quiver dance, v-create, tail glow, shift gear, thousand arrows..etc (probably similar to stabmons list)
Pokemon: other than obvious shedinja, I'm not sure yet
Tapu Koko, Lele and blacephalon are likely candidates with access to new coverage moves like blue flare/earth power and seed flare now, Kartana and Kyu-b are also on the watchlist for obvious reasons
Questions for the community:
Of course if u have any critisicm, feedback, questions or even sets feel free to comment, thanks for reading!
- Does this meta sound fun?
- Should i make the plates switch the pokemons primary typing if shiny or should i keep it as it is?
- Any things stand out as broken?
- Is one new move enough? Or do pokemon need two
That sounds way too similar to Sketchmons.
How is Hidden Power supposed to interact with this?
Wow, this looks hella fun.
Hidden power is a normal type it just has the type effectiveness of other types so it would just give normal typeHow is Hidden Power supposed to interact with this?
also
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Spikes
- Ice Beam
- Hydro Pump
- U-turn
Ground/Ice coverage is really good, being only resisted by a type that's on mons that will never become relevant.
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 44 Def / 68 SpD / 152 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Facade
Yes it's ripped right from it's OU analysis, but the set is great for this meta.
Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Quick Attack
- Curse
- U-turn
Have you ever waned dual STAB priority? well here it is in all it's glory.
Tapu Bulu @ Choice Band
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Nature's Madness
- Superpower
- Wood Hammer
- Megahorn
Just moving the useless Bug-Type onto a move where they type doesn't matter.
Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heat Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Discharge
- Roost
Have you ever wanted to run Zapdos with it's flying STAB? well here you go.
That's all I can think of for now.
Yes, which is exactly how it will differ. If sweepers are more prevalent, then more people will pack checks to the common ones used, diversifying the meta.
