I considered adding an effect, but I feel like that would just make the meta less fun, even if it would make a lot of sense.
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Mascot Teams:
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alephgalactus
Banned deucer.
Enormous threats:
-Shedinja: This is self-explanatory. As a mascot, it gives everything Wonder Guard. As a teammate, it retains Wonder Guard while having the possibility to gain Sturdy or Magic Guard. Either one is way, way too strong, and Shedinja should be banned immediately.
-Kyurem-Black: Gets access to physical Ice moves. Ban.
-Kartana: With Dhelmise, it gets Steelworker to boost its Steel moves and access to Anchor Shot, making up for the relative weakness of its Steel STAB; it also gets access to Power Whip. No matter the mascot, Kartana is also cured of its severe 4MSS, and could inherit something like Dragon Dance or Flame Charge instead of relying on Scarf. Leaning towards ban.
-Shift Gear and Quiver Dance for mascots: No. None of that. Shame on you. Ban.
-Zoroark as a mascot: The entire team getting Illusion? Absolutely not. Ban.
-Transform and Imposter for mascots: Just grab Chansey, Blissey, Guzzlord, Wobbuffet, Wailord and Ditto, and you've suddenly got a better version of your opponent's team. It's completely braindead. Ban.
-Electrify: An odd topic to discuss, but do you really want to go up against Mega Sceptile and Zeraora that are immune to everything? Although considering that Heliolisk isn't that good, this might be able to stay. Definitely consider suspecting it if people complain, though.
-Regigigas: It's still hampered by Slow Start, but now it can inherit things like Protect to stall out those five turns, and its 4MSS is cured as well, meaning it can run Substitute, Thunder Wave and Confuse Ray, inherit Protect, and still be able to run four attacks. Considering that using Regigigas like this requires building a team around it, I still think that Regigigas should stay, but it's going to be way more threatening than in standard play.
-Slaking: Unlike Regigigas, there's no way Slaking could get around Truant. The closest it can come is gaining Skill Swap or something, and besides the fact that I don't know how or even if that will work in this meta, it's not really an ideal use of your time, so Slaking is still bad.
-Archeops: Not as good as Regigigas, but not as bad as Slaking. It can sort of mitigate the Defeatist thing with, say, Harvest and a Berry, but it's still super frail and can't really do much special. I'd say keep it, unless it turns out to be too good.
-Fur Coat/Fluffy for mascots: These are less broken than Huge/Pure Power, so I'd say that you should probably leave them be for now, but definitely be open to a suspect test at some point.
-Multiscale: Considering that you've banned Defog and Rapid Spin on mascots, hazards aren't exactly going anywhere, and they're the best thing in the world at breaking Multiscale, so I doubt Multiscale is going to be problematic.
-Serene Grace for mascots: If you have a Serene Grace Pokémon as a mascot, Beat Up Weavile with King's Rock/Razor Fang (yes, they do work with Serene Grace) is going to be a menace, and that's before the fact that you have five other flinching haxmons alongside it. I wouldn't say ban just yet—we should wait to see how things play out.
-Skill Link for mascots: Ever wanted to run both Skill Link and Technician on Cinccino or Ambipom? No? Well, that's a shame, because now you can do exactly that! Also, Pin Missile becomes the best physical Bug move (outside of the obvious usefulness of U-Turn). Not broken enough to ban though, in my eyes at least.
-Prankster for mascots: If you play this right, it can be very, very annoying, but your team will struggle against Dark-types.
-Wingull: Nah, just kidding. LC is just desperate for something to suspect.
Can't believe I forgot shed. Agree with zoroark and ditto. However, I disagree on kart (for now tho I can definitely see where your coming from) and absolutely disagree on the setup moves, they are a very important part of this meta. Also, I forgot this initially but fur coat and fluffy are def getting banned.
SECRET FORCE !!!
Metagame premise: Each team can have seven Pokémon in the party, but only six can be used in battles (as usual), the difference is that there will be a seventh Pokémon that will not appear in the team preview that can be placed in place of one of your Pokémon that appears in the team preview, greatly enhancing the strategies and even bluffs, increasing the strategic and fun of the metagame.
Potential bans and threats: Basically the rules and bans of each tier according to the Smogon.
Metagame premise: Each team can have seven Pokémon in the party, but only six can be used in battles (as usual), the difference is that there will be a seventh Pokémon that will not appear in the team preview that can be placed in place of one of your Pokémon that appears in the team preview, greatly enhancing the strategies and even bluffs, increasing the strategic and fun of the metagame.
Potential bans and threats: Basically the rules and bans of each tier according to the Smogon.
Zoroark would be very good in this meta, because your opponent would have no way of knowing it's there. In other words:
You can't see it. Its time is now!
Zoroark will definitely be The Joker in this metagame, but I predict that Ditto may be one of the most commonly used "secret forces".
AG will be pretty fun with that including.
I’ll be honest it’s not exactly too similar but I’d rather Frantic Fusions get a thread over this.
The following metagame is an enhancement of my previous idea (Secret Force), I would like to receive feedback from the friends who enjoyed the previous metagame (DrPumpkinz and alephgalactus) and everyone who makes this forum session:
PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE
Metagame premise: In addition to your party of six Pokémon (here called "headlines"), you may have four more Pokémon in the reserve (the reserve team must be linked to the headline team during Teambuilding), however, only six can be used in battles (as usual), the difference is that you can choose one (only one) of the four reserves to replace one of the six headlines ; the opponent will know who the four reserves are, but will not know which one you chose to fight, remembering that you are not required to choose any of them either.
Below is a demonstration screen:
Your party: The top line with its six headlines and underneath the four reserves.
The opponent's party: The six headlines on the front row and the four reserves in the separate boxes at the top of the screen.
Potential bans and threats: Basically the rules and bans of each tier according to the Smogon.
Mega Stone Clause: In addition to normal rules, here the Pokémon reserves will not be able to carry the Mega Stone, which should only be charged by a headline Pokémon.
PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE
Metagame premise: In addition to your party of six Pokémon (here called "headlines"), you may have four more Pokémon in the reserve (the reserve team must be linked to the headline team during Teambuilding), however, only six can be used in battles (as usual), the difference is that you can choose one (only one) of the four reserves to replace one of the six headlines ; the opponent will know who the four reserves are, but will not know which one you chose to fight, remembering that you are not required to choose any of them either.
Below is a demonstration screen:
Your party: The top line with its six headlines and underneath the four reserves.
The opponent's party: The six headlines on the front row and the four reserves in the separate boxes at the top of the screen.
Potential bans and threats: Basically the rules and bans of each tier according to the Smogon.
Mega Stone Clause: In addition to normal rules, here the Pokémon reserves will not be able to carry the Mega Stone, which should only be charged by a headline Pokémon.
So it's basically having 10 pokemon and you can only choose one from the set of 4. This seems worse than your original idea (Secret Force)
Seriously?
I think so, the mental game starts strong soon in Team Preview, this for both sides.
The Secret Force principle remains the surprise factor, the opponent will not know which of the four you have chosen, or if you have actually chosen one of them (fighting only the six headlines without change), the same is true for you in relation to the opponent.
It's basically bringing a team of 10 and only using 6, with some restrictions
"The following are rejected metagame ideas: (if you have questions about why a metagame concept was denied, ask in the "Simple Questions, Simple Answers" thread)"
Commonly Submitted (or at least has multiple similar submissions)
- Only 6 pokemon? PLEASE: You can use X (X = 6+n) Pokemon in your team.
I'm sorry, but the concepts are completely different.
The two metagames I created (Secret Force and Professional League) use no more than six Pokémon per battle, and focus more on the strategic game in Team Preview.
"The following are rejected metagame ideas: (if you have questions about why a metagame concept was denied, ask in the "Simple Questions, Simple Answers" thread)"
It specifically says using X mons in your team, which is essentially what you're doing. The reason why it's not allowed is likely because it is impossible to recreate it on cartridge, even with hacking.
Impostermons
Pretty simple premise, whenever you switch in on an opponent, you steal all its stats and abilitie, but keep your moves.
Potential bans and threats: ban smeargle, analyse z-moves
I know this was badly done, but I haven’t got much time, just tell me what you think as if it were a good post.
Pretty simple premise, whenever you switch in on an opponent, you steal all its stats and abilitie, but keep your moves.
Potential bans and threats: ban smeargle, analyse z-moves
I know this was badly done, but I haven’t got much time, just tell me what you think as if it were a good post.
In that case don't you want to run stuff like Slaking and Regigas? :thinking:
Oh yeah ban stuff like. Archeops, Slaking And regigigas. Anything with exceptional moves but lacking stats and abilities like pallosand maybe is a threat.
Instead of stealing the opponent’s ability and stat changes, what if both active pokemon share abilities and stat changes.
That being said, this meta is still a bit reactionary, and nothing really to experiment with off the teambuilder. It’s not my kind of OM.
This post alerted me to a major issue. Obviously linoone is a broke mascot, but I am uncertain whether to ban just linoone or espeed in general from being mascots. Espeed has a few great mascots including: dragonite, togekiss, and arcanine. Each offer a very good ability in addition to espeed itself, but with my expectation of multiscale and toucannon (beak blast skill link bullet seed roost and boomburst/ overheat) bulky offense and balance teams to be highly effective, I am not throwing espeed in the banlist just yet.
If you ban Linoone then you gotta ban Zig as well lol. I think just banning Espeed as a move for Mascots would help you in the long run. Espeed Mega Pinsir will always be a killer, and because it's such a good priority move, pretty much every mon can be in a position where its useful.
Also, Unaware would be nasty. Imagine Quag passing Recover/Toxic/Scald/Encore to a stall team. Hell, Chansey could run Serene Grace for those Scald burns! Unaware just sounds like a bitch is all.
TR teams can make every mon in the team have TR, which is good. Add an ability like Soul Heart / Beast Boost and there's some snowballing potential.
Here's a Beast Boost physical Stakakta team. Looks real nasty, and can pobs be improved further.
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unfort ya espeed would be way too busted. I dont think unaware would be popular for stall tho cause then u just lose to things like kartana. Stall would prob use mguard, mbounce, multiscale, or intimidate. Also trick room> taunt on vic.
alephgalactus
Banned deucer.
So I've been thinking about Mascots, and it seems like Sableye is going to be, although definitely not broken, really good as a mascot for stall teams. Not only can you use its base ability Prankster to give everything +1 priority on Recover, Substitute, Toxic, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Will-o-Wisp, or whatever you want to run (just be sure to carry something against Dark-types and Tapu Lele), but it can also Mega Evolve and pass Magic Bounce on to everything instead if need be—for example, if you're going up against another stall team. Protect/Recover/Toxic/Substitute Sableye can pass down the basics of a stall set with +1 priority to anything, allowing them to free up room for other disruptive tools. It can also pass this moveset down to, say, Regigigas—alternating Protect and +1 priority Substitute makes Regigigas nearly untouchable, allowing it to easily burn through 5 turns and start dishing out serious damage. As mentioned before, a team with this mascot is extremely weak to Dark-types, Tapu Lele and Taunt—until Sableye Mega Evolves, which simultaneously solves all three of those problems but at the cost of losing priority. Other threats with this mascot include Parting Shot users, which can now pivot with +1 priority; Snorlax, which can use some Gluttony/Recycle garbage to become nigh-immortal; hazard setters, especially Smeargle, which now gets priority Spore; Toxapex, which can use priority Haze to shut down a sweeper without having to eat a hit beforehand; Pyukumuku, who can now use Soak, Toxic, Block, Substitute, Protect and Recover all on the same set with priority; Mimikyu, which can spread hazards around like crazy and use priority Destiny Bond as a last-ditch effort; and let's not forget all the usual staples of stall, like Chansey and Clefable.
On a definitely completely unrelated note, I'm really looking forward to Mascots becoming a real thing.
On a definitely completely unrelated note, I'm really looking forward to Mascots becoming a real thing.
Lemme drop 2 OM ideas, while I compile my main OM, cuz no one gave me feedback last time. There's another one that I will probably post tomorrow.
Cya Frens!
Priorimons
Metagame Premise: The Attacking move of a pokemon in the first slot gains +1 priority, but loses 1/3 of its BP
Possible Bans and Threats: I don't see any yet
Questions For the Community: What should the ban list be? Anything looking like it can be unbanned?
Metagame Premise: The Attacking move of a pokemon in the first slot gains +1 priority, but loses 1/3 of its BP
Possible Bans and Threats: I don't see any yet
Questions For the Community: What should the ban list be? Anything looking like it can be unbanned?
Sun and Moon Triples
Metagame Premise: Basically the USUM version of triples, since it's not in cartridge anymore
Heres an article about it: https://www.smogon.com/smog/issue20/intro_triple
Possible Bans and Threats: DOU Banlist for now
Metagame Premise: Basically the USUM version of triples, since it's not in cartridge anymore
Heres an article about it: https://www.smogon.com/smog/issue20/intro_triple
Possible Bans and Threats: DOU Banlist for now
Cya Frens!
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