Looking over the OP, you might want to reframe some things slightly. Saying "etc etc Ninjask etc etc and their Pre-evos" implies you could give Nincada Blazikenite. I mean, that would be an incredibly dumb thing to do, but it's certainly not the
intended meaning.
No Guard Sing is like the best sleeping move in the game, since it can even bypass subs, only having to worry about Soundproof.
It's worth commentary that nothing that gets Soundproof in its base species is Ubers-viable and nothing gets Soundproof from its Mega. Realistically speaking, the only things that can ignore No Guard Sing are Magic Bouncers, which are admittedly amazing.
Also thank Banette for the terror that is PRANKSTER SPORE (oh god):
Prankster Spore, Prankster Substitute, start on that Focus Punch spam. Or Prankster Leech Seed. Best of all, Grass is likely to be unpopular, since Shaymin-Sky and Arceus-Grass are the only Grass Ubers, no Mega Stone provides Grass typing, and Grass types in general are unlikely to make for good bases, so Magic Bouncers are, again, the main thing that are likely to ignore your Prankster Spore.
Hurricane
Fire Blast
Bug Buzz/ Hidden Power Ground/Giga Drain
Quiver Dance/ Hidden Power Ground/ Bug Buzz
85/60/70/195/115/120
Yeah, that ought'a do it.
I wanted to ask "why no Inferno" and then I checked and it doesn't learn it, more's the pity.
But yeah Volcarona is a great base for any number of Special attacking-oriented Stones. Just short of 600 BST, Quiver Dance, etc. It's too bad its primary typing is Bug, though, since type changing will leave it a Bug or Bug/type.
Tarontos said:
Gravity may not be able to be negative but it is possible to be less dense than air which would make your effective weight negative.
... no. If you're less dense than air, you still weigh something, you just float to the top of air. You might as well argue that we weigh negative something or other because we don't fall right through the earth's surface to its core. After all, we're less dense than rock, soil, etc.
Negative weight is a nonsense concept. You still exert pressure on things -that pressure is "weight", and ultimately weight is essentially an indirect measurement of mass. The exact number a scale will spit back at you depends on gravity, but that's a commentary on how much mass is in the direction you're being pulled. (Or more accurately, on the distribution of mass in your vicinity, generally) You can't have negative mass. It's just flat-out impossible, on a basic concept level let alone the actual manifestation of physics.
Grass Knot and Low Kick are based off what is pretty much a lookup table. If the target's weight is >=10kg, then they have a BP of 20. It should not be any different for a negative or zero weight.
I never had any concerns about them, beyond the possibility of Showdown reading a negative number as the positive version of itself.
Also, nonpositive weight isn't completely impossible in real life. Weight is the strength of gravity on a particular object. If the object is repelled by gravity, then it would have negative weight (such an object is unknown to man as of now, however). Zero weight also describes objects that are unaffected by gravity.
Weight is the pressure you exert on an object (A scale, say) from accelerating toward it based on the combination of your mass and the the mass of other things in your vicinity. If you were "repelled" by gravity, that wouldn't actually be negative weight, it would
still be weight -if it was the exact reversal of "normal gravity" you'd weigh the same when put on a scale, the only difference is that instead of setting the scale on top of the Earth and standing on it, you'd set it on the inside ceiling of a building and stand on it upside-down. The end result is identical, whether you posit repulsion or attraction -either way, you have mass+acceleration=pressure. The end.
There's also no such thing as an object unaffected by gravity. It's
conceivable for something to be placed at an exact center of gravitational forces such that it is being pulled in every direction by the same amount at the same time and thus has a net acceleration of nothing, but "unaffected by gravity" is bad sci-fi. (And such a state would be very temporary, since the objects producing the gravitational forces are just not going to sit still. Plus, everything is relative -you might not be moving relative to
these objects, but you'll still be moving relative to other stuff, because the galaxy is rotating and moving away from other galaxies and so on)
/physics
Tarontos said:
Based on the logic that abilities are forced then typing should be as well
Because if i use soak on something-then it changes form(mega evolves)it's whole type changes to it's megas typing.
the same argument could be made for Stats depending on exactly how the base stat affecting moves operate after a form change.
Specifically guard split and power split(bulbapedia doesn't say and i don't have time to go looking)
I'm not going to argue further but i think a mega evolution that never actually changes the base ability to should be held to the same standard as stats and typing--only a change when one can occur
The type argument is irrelevant -we're talking relative to
species norms, which Soak doesn't alter. Soak is a temporary state. Species typings are not.
Guard Split and Power Split are also sort of irrelevant. This is all about comparing species base stats -a Mega Evolution is just a Pokemon switching from one species to another, normally. If you Guard Split or Power Split a Pokemon and then it Mega Evolves, its stats are the same as if you hadn't done the Split at all. (I'm less clear what happens with Power Trick -Showdown just exchanges the stats, which is lost on Mega Evolution, but for all I know the actual cartridges inflict a "Power Trick" status that would carry over into Mega Evolution)
The thing about Abilities is that there is literally no case of a Pokemon Mega Evolving and 100% of the time retaining the same Ability. Mega Scizor, for instance, has Technician, which is what everyone runs on Scizor -but just because this isn't a change for most competitive Scizor doesn't mean no change occurs. Swarm and Light Metal Scizor still end up with Technician. They don't retain Swarm or Light Metal. Meanwhile, every Pokemon that is locked into a single Ability
and has a Mega Evolution (eg Diancie) has a different Ability when Mega Evolved.
Aw man I meant to joke about how nobody had covered STAB Boomburst yet yesterday. :(
EDIT: It just occurred to me that Pinsirite Shaymin is basically Shaymin-Sky replacing flinch-hax with a higher BST, and is entirely legal because Shaymin Land Forme is OU even though Sky is Ubers. Aerilated Round even hits harder than Air Slash!
