Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

[Chill]

My question is similar to Peterko's. Is anyone planning a guide for iv breeding? I enjoyed thetorsoboys guide because he broke down a potentially complicated procress into something that is easy to understand.

I actually haven't attempted iv breeding yet ,I only glanced at the information, but from what I read it seems pretty intense. I'll take another look and it ,try it for myself, and if I can come up with anything that might be helpful I'll be sure to share.

Also, any progress on legends? I saw a few people mention legends but I didn't see anything on the first page about it.

 

[mingot]

I don't have problems with the offset.

And I created a little Website App. I used Mingots CSV file, and created a small search app. I hope it's useful, and that you enjoy it!
http://dppt.x-treem.nl/

This is pretty cool, thanks :) I think some other people are working on higher lists, so you may need to replace my current csv at some point, but it will never be enough to get you into trouble with your ISP like the emerald frame list was. I hope :)

It's method J for most. Method 1 for some. This will work on wild pokemon also. You can check the OP and see if you find the info you need. If not, look back through the pages, I think the last 5. There is the closest thing to a guide that we have in some posts.

It sucks at this point, but I put up a very terse guide for legends. Check out the OP.

I have a few questions that I'd like answered:

1. What's method 4?

Check out X-Acts PID article for full details. It's an emerald thing, though.

2. What purpose and use does the IVs to PID tool provide?

It has a few uses. It can be useful for FrLg legend resetters, as it allows you to find a seed in that game that you can use to predict future frames. Requires save states, so don't get too excited.

It is also useful as an IV->PID checker, which is a light form of hack checking. X-Act has a java version on site that is what this was based on. Either one should work just as well, but his has a lot more testing. I consider it much more trustworthy at this point.

Finally, it allows you to use a captured shiny to deduce your SID without having to go through the steps in my SID Deduction guide (found in C&C currently).

3. What purpose and use does the Seed to Time tool provide?

Tells you what time to reset on if all you have is a seed. The spreadsheet with all of the nice natures/ivs for resetting legends just has a seed. Put that seed into this box for results.

4. What does the A's and B's mean when calculating for an IV spread?

In the OP.

5. Can anyone tell me how to calculate for IV spreads with a specific nature?

Not sure exactly what you mean.

Thanks to anyone who can answer.

I know most of you are working on the legends but is there someone who focused on the IV breeding part? by the way incredible research everyone

1.what affects the offset when IV breeding and by how much?

As far as we know the 6 wandering NPCs in Solceon are the only things that affect it.

2. is there something inbetween SR and continue screen affecting the offset like when you see the press start message?

I don't think so.

I am asking because when I tried to click through the start of the game a bit slower and the "press start" screen flashed (normally when you press A really fast it doesn´t) my offset changed +1 ...but this could be also due to one of the NPCs moving (most of the time the pachirisu is offscreen when I´m on my lock on (offset 4 save), but sometimes I manage to catch a glimpse of it moving into the screen in the very short time between continue and grandpa click (speak to him)...I wonder what to do

6A04027D 2009 05 18 04:02:14 628 4 31 A 31 12 A A

so anyway I got offset 4 (lock on took half a day omfg) delays 620-622-624-626 but I need 628 and when I get 628 it is offset 5 which fcks everything up...

Well, you are not the first person who has reported this and some folks will abandon the spread and find another while others have fought through it and made it work.

I should mention that I have buneary running which is always on screen when getting the egg and it manages 1 step between continue-screen-and-speak-to-grandpa and I also currently have 1 cowgirl on screen but it doesn´t move (no step and no directional turn)...as I said, sometimes the pachirisu comes from the bottom and is almost non-visible (you only see a little bit of blue at the southern border of the screen)

The Buneary runs a fixed path and is not believed to affect the frame advancement at all. It's the time when a choice needs to be made about the wandering NPCs when the random number if generated.

during my lock on phase I got offset 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 and 9 I think which is crazy because those NPCs are really disturbing and I couldn´t figure them out yet (I tried to get as many off screen / or not moving on my save as possible)

Off screen does not matter. If having them offscreen meant there were no RNG calls it would also mean that they could never walk back on screen, which is not the case. In short, hiding them doesn't help. Getting a save with a particular target frame is really just trial and error at this point, unfortunately,

so
A. does grandpa changing direction towards you when you speak to him affect the offset by any chance? I am locked above him right now which means he turns upward (+1?)

Doubt it, nothing random about his turn. But then you can eliminate the chance by standing to the east, as the hiding does not work.

B. do NPCs on the screen who are just standing there doing nothing affect the offset? like +1 "just because"

The ones who never move? I don't believe they have any affect.

C. does a directional turn without a step affect the offset by 1?

Yes, because it still had to ping the RNG for the next move.

D. buneary (any NPC) step is +1 or +2?

Since the general frame seems to be between 1 and 6 and there are 6 NPCs (and you can get even OR odd frame numbers) I am going to say +1. If they were +2 I think we would only see 2, 4, 6, etc frame numbers.

well I wouldn´t ask it´s just that I am hitting the delay range all the time but always get offset 5 on delay 628 I aim for :/

also mingot if you read this could you please add a feature to the next version of RNG reporter that will only list even/odd delays in the TIME FINDER? people only get one or the other, right? it would ease searching adjacent spreads (by the way the RNG reporter is absolutely genious)

Thanks :) That's on the list of things to do. Note, though, that some people do get either or without doing anything special. It does seem to run in streaks, though.

well I will research this a bit more but wanted to ask whether there is somwehere information I may have missed

My question is similar to Peterko's. Is anyone planning a guide for iv breeding? I enjoyed thetorsoboys guide because he broke down a potentially complicated procress into something that is easy to understand.

I actually haven't attempted iv breeding yet ,I only glanced at the information, but from what I read it seems pretty intense. I'll take another look and it ,try it for myself, and if I can come up with anything that might be helpful I'll be sure to share.

Wow. There is a guide for IV breeding :(

 

[Chill]

Haha I didn't mean general iv breeding. I meant "perfect" iv breeding. I can see that there are text instructions, I mentioned those. I meant a video guide because it helps to actually see someone do it.

It's that whole "tell me and I'll forget, show me and I'll learn" thing.

 

[Supe]

Haha I didn't mean general iv breeding. I meant "perfect" iv breeding. I can see that there are text instructions, I mentioned those. I meant a video guide because it helps to actually see someone do it.

It's that whole "tell me and I'll forget, show me and I'll learn" thing.

You mentioned you haven't even tried it yet. The instructions may look complicated, but if you take it slow and follow them carefully, its really not that difficult. Why not give it a shot before asking for a video?

Mingot - I like your mini captured pokes walkthrough. Although it may be mentioned elsewhere, I thing these steps should include a list of all the stuff that advances the offset. The 128 steps with an odd number in your party for even offset goals and the "runners" using up 1 offset each are important to remember. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Chill]

I also mentioned that I was going to read them and that I am going to try it for myself.

I only asked if anyone has plans for video because I know how much easier it makes it. I totally didn't get shiny hatching until I watched the torsoboys vid and saw how easy it was.

 

[Supe]

Good luck! And I think Torso said he might make one after he's done with finals or something.

 

[ΩDonut]

The basic steps for targeting a legendary are:

1) Look for a good spread in the Time Finder
2) Find the time of that spread
3) Use Syberia's coin flip method or my Sweet Scent method to figure out if you hit the correct time
4) Determine how many times you need to advance the RNG.
5) Flip journal pages as necessary to advance the RNG. You can also use Sweet Scent to figure out where you currently are if you lose track.

HOW to use Sweet Scent to figure out where you are:
1) Scent for a Pokemon and catch it.
2) Find its IVs and look for it in the "Method 1" list (not Method J) for the seed of the Pokemon you want to catch. Add 8 to the frame number.
3) EXAMPLE: The Azelf I targeted had 2025 as its Method J frame. The number I got in step 2 was 565 + 8 = 572. Subtract 573 from 2025 to get 1452. Since every journal page flip advances the RNG by 2, divide 1452 by 2 to get the number of journal page flips you have to make = 726.

That's a lot of page flips, so to be on the safe side you should Sweet Scent again after a few hundred flips to make sure you didn't screw up.

- Note: this assumes you hit the correct delay\seconds. Otherwise the Pokemon you caught will not show up in the list.

I'd go into more detail, but there's a party I'm late to.

 

[Chill]

Good luck! And I think Torso said he might make one after he's done with finals or something.

Good luck to you! >:C

Thanks, Omega. You're a swell guy.

 

[Haile Selassie]

Anyone else have trouble with Metalkids?
I keep hitting the same delay, but I don't know what it is. If my memory is correct, it's either 604 or 608

EDIT: You've got to be shitting me, a delay of 592 ;-;

 

[thetorsoboy]

Good luck! And I think Torso said he might make one after he's done with finals or something.

More like when I'm not lazy. :X But I will be making one for Legends and IV breeding soon enough, I just haven't felt like it really. Blame the Xbox 360 over there.

 

[Syberia]

I have made excel spreadsheets much like mingot's, only more extensive (they go up to an offset of 6,000) for both physical and special spreads. To use them, search for what you want, note the seed, and use the seed-to-time finder in the new (4.50) RNGReporter (I would enter the year as 2000 at first) to generate times. If the delay is too high/low, change the year. Increasing it by one will lower the delay by one, and lowering it by one will increase the delay by one. Basically, if you use these, you'll never have to use the time finder again. Which is a good thing, because they took 3-4 hours each on a separate computer to make.

Physical spreads list.
Special spreads list.

You will be able to get mixed spreads from either list.

 

[Haile Selassie]

So Regice, Steel and Rock have been confirmed to be Method J Pokémon?

 

[Tortured_Soul]

6A04027D 2009 05 18 04:02:14 628 4 31 A 31 12 A A

so anyway I got offset 4 (lock on took half a day omfg) delays 620-622-624-626 but I need 628 and when I get 628 it is offset 5 which fcks everything up...

It has happened to me and a few others too. In hours of SR'ing I was getting 1 frame before and 1 frame after the target frame continuously, and when I got the correct Delay, my Offset would become 4. It seems some spreads just cannot be hit, but that's just a theory. If you still can't hit it, try finding a different frame on different Offset.

 

[CW-Regret]

How would you go about getting a manaphy through rng if possible

 

[Mario With Lasers]

I have made excel spreadsheets much like mingot's, only more extensive (they go up to an offset of 6,000) for both physical and special spreads. To use them, search for what you want, note the seed, and use the seed-to-time finder in the new (4.50) RNGReporter (I would enter the year as 2000 at first) to generate times. If the delay is too high/low, change the year. Increasing it by one will lower the delay by one, and lowering it by one will increase the delay by one. Basically, if you use these, you'll never have to use the time finder again. Which is a good thing, because they took 3-4 hours each on a separate computer to make.

Physical spreads list.
Special spreads list.

You will be able to get mixed spreads from either list.

I tried a 31/21/31/31/31/30 Modest spread there (seed 5130291), but I found it only in Method 1. What about Method J? I also tried 31/2/31/30/31/31 Timid (seed 6050266), and I did find it.

 

[The Giritina-man]

How would you go about getting a manaphy through rng if possible

Last time I checked there only a couple of ways to get one:
TRU
Pokemon Ranger 1

Even then, you have to save in front of the Delivery guy and hope for the best.

But it is a good question...any way I can use the RNG when I SR for my Skymin?

And is it easier to just run from Giratina and get to Turnback cave and then SR there? If so, any tips?

 

[Darkprophet]

Last time I checked there only a couple of ways to get one:
TRU
Pokemon Ranger 1

Even then, you have to save in front of the Delivery guy and hope for the best.

But it is a good question...any way I can use the RNG when I SR for my Skymin?

And is it easier to just run from Giratina and get to Turnback cave and then SR there? If so, any tips?

I ran from Giratina in the Torn World, but, I haven't gotten around to catching any of my legends until I can make sense of the RNG stuff. I really want that 31/x/30/30/30/30 HP Fighting Azelf. :/

 

[mingot]

I have made excel spreadsheets much like mingot's, only more extensive (they go up to an offset of 6,000) for both physical and special spreads. To use them, search for what you want, note the seed, and use the seed-to-time finder in the new (4.50) RNGReporter (I would enter the year as 2000 at first) to generate times. If the delay is too high/low, change the year. Increasing it by one will lower the delay by one, and lowering it by one will increase the delay by one. Basically, if you use these, you'll never have to use the time finder again. Which is a good thing, because they took 3-4 hours each on a separate computer to make.

Physical spreads list.
Special spreads list.

You will be able to get mixed spreads from either list.

If you want I can rehost these for you, and it would probably be nice of vlietung added them to his collection for his lookup site.

But then we might want to do some different lists, see below.

So Regice, Steel and Rock have been confirmed to be Method J Pokémon?

Yes.

I tried a 31/21/31/31/31/30 Modest spread there (seed 5130291), but I found it only in Method 1. What about Method J? I also tried 31/2/31/30/31/31 Timid (seed 6050266), and I did find it.

Heh, good question.

Without a syncher nearly half of the Method 1 Pokemon are unreachable. With a syncher there are very few hidden Method 1 frames, but it looks like you found one.

The Timid spread can be hit with a syncher. The modest ... No way to hit it on any Method J generated Pokemon.

Hrm, instead of raw Method 1 (some false positives) or Method J No Syncher, we might want to develop each list by selecting a syncher and then stitching together all of the list. Lots of work, but would be the most accurate.

 

[Rysta]

Damn, i stuffed up a 6/10 shiny spread, had 4 pokes in my party rather than 5...

EDIT:Atleast i know it works now, just got a gentle(lol) 30/7 one that worked for once.

 

[RCrayons]

Wow. I didn't have a clue what my offset was. Just looked, it was 6, I put in 3.
:D
Fail.5 At least I know how to do this now.

 

[ΩDonut]

mingot, in the next release of RNG Reporter could you include a list of coin flips for adjacent spreads? Syb's coin flip method has made IV breeding a hell of a lot easier for those of us not using an IV check code. For now, though, it's not worth it to try writing down the coin flips for any spreads other than our target.

 

[Syberia]

If you want I can rehost these for you, and it would probably be nice of vlietung added them to his collection for his lookup site.

You may do whatever you'd like with them, I made them to be used :)

Without a syncher nearly half of the Method 1 Pokemon are unreachable. With a syncher there are very few hidden Method 1 frames, but it looks like you found one.

Let's ban it from shoddy! </pedantic argument>

 

[VileTung]

This is pretty cool, thanks :) I think some other people are working on higher lists, so you may need to replace my current csv at some point, but it will never be enough to get you into trouble with your ISP like the emerald frame list was. I hope :)

Thanks, no it won't be enough to get trouble! And I'm adding Syberia .CSV too.

 

[Pokerealm]

FIGURED OUT MY QUESTION.

Here's a more opinion-based question...
Once you get the hang of it, is this RNG easier to use than Emerald's?

Well, the Legendary resetting is.
I get most of my targets in 2-3 tries, sometimes after only 1 =p

 

[VileTung]

Website is updated, added Syberia's CSV's and removed the double ones.

http://dppt.x-treem.nl