Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Rysta said:
Would walking in the grass around the suitcase work? As it's Diamond he's restarting.

EDIT: Just realised that the rival took you through the grass, could that advance the frame?
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I don't know if that would work or not. I haven't reset on diamond in a while, so I don't know if you can walk in the grass or not. I think it wouldn't work because there is no chance to encounter a pokemon, unless they programmed it to where there it is treated like a repel is up and still able to walk in the grass. You can test it if you want. Save in front of the case and take it immediately, then get your seed later based on the pokemon, then do the same thing but take an extra turn in the grass and get the pokemon. If the first one is on frame X, and the second one is on the additional frames from walking in the grass, then it is possible most likely.


Austin - Don't post questions like that. It is irrelevant. The maximum frame should be what you are willing to do. Some people have gone for frames in 10000 before I bet, while others won't go over 2000. This is a bad question and changes for everyone. It all depends on how much time you have and if you want a flawless pokemon or not.
 
Sixonesix said:
Make sure your parents are in your game, but not in the daycare when you're doing the taps or your egg will not have the PID you're looking for. That happened to me several times when I was trying to hatch a Jolly Sneasel.
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Thanks for your help! Im going to take my Ditto out of the daycare and try to hit a spread I want again. I find it strange that in Torso boys video he already had one parent in the daycare... but thank you none the less!
 
gravytrain said:
the flips will tell you if you hit the seed, but to check the frame you need to hatch that egg and match it to the Breeding (DPPt) method after you find what seed you hit.

if you are doing the journal flips right, you did the calibration phase right and your frame and target frame are both even or odd, then chances are you are missing your delay or time.
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I have found the frame which my egg is on, the ocin flips i was talking about were the flips relating to the your target spread when resetting for the flawless IV's.
I have never had this problem in the past i have RNG'd quite a few flawless poke's using this method although lately this problem of my frame deducing by one from my target frame when i SR has just started to occur.
Just to clarify the coin flip i am talking about it during the SR phase when checking my target frame not when im checking what frame i saved on. Thank you for your help I really appreciate this.
 
so your coin tosses are matching or they aren't?

if they are matching then you are hitting your delay and time and you are missing your frame if they aren't then your frame isn't the problem it is your delay and time.

even if you hit a different frame it won't change the coin toss result as long as you are hitting your seed, so you can be off by a frame and still be gettin the toss right. but you can't be off on your delay or time or it will change your seed and make your coin toss results different.
 
gravytrain said:
so your coin tosses are matching or they aren't?

if they are matching then you are hitting your delay and time and you are missing your frame if they aren't then your frame isn't the problem it is your delay and time.

even if you hit a different frame it won't change the coin toss result as long as you are hitting your seed, so you can be off by a frame and still be gettin the toss right. but you can't be off on your delay or time or it will change your seed and make your coin toss results different.
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My flips aren't matching, and when i use the flip checker it always matches with another set of IV's although the times and delays match up i.e 17:03:14 delay 621, the only variances i am getting are the delays by either 1 or 2 either side and now currently the frame deduction by 1 everytime.
 
that doesn't make sense though, the frame won't change the coin results, only the delay and time will.

are you using the correct date for the spread?
 
Quick question, does an RNG advance count if before you start the game, you view a page with a caught/defeated pokemon? because I took a page flip like that into consideration and I hit the wrong frame with a pokemon, im just wondering..
 
Mingot or anyone else who can answer this:
This thread has gotten me thinking about other uses of the RNG generator. So after thinking a bit, I came up with a hypothesis that the RNG also generates your Trainer ID and Secret ID.

I am not sure if this has already been thought up of (but I would not be surprised if it had been) my logic is that the RNG spews out numbers which go up to 2^16 (FFFF) when called once. Your ID also goes up to FFFF as well as your SID. A PID is generated in 2 parts, which are separated when determining if a Pokemon is shiny, and so it would make sense that the ID/SID are also generated together, and used to determine if a Pokemon is shiny.

To sum it up, PID, ID, and SID are all used to determine whether a Pokemon is shiny and are all numbers that can go up to 2^16.

Edit: I posted this here because it is related the DPPt PRNG research.
 
Wulf said:
Quick question, does an RNG advance count if before you start the game, you view a page with a caught/defeated pokemon? because I took a page flip like that into consideration and I hit the wrong frame with a pokemon, im just wondering..
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you mean like soon as you hit "continue" the initial journal page has a captured or defeated pokemon on it? if that is your question then yes it does.

edit: yeah its tedious when you get that high lol, gl tho
 
I'm trying to breed a shiny impish nidoran female with counter. I'm using a male Nidoking with counter and a female Nidoran Female. So I put fixed gender/genderless in the shiny finder and I keep getting Nidoran Males. Is there any way to make it so I can for sure get a Nidoran Female, or do I just have to keep doing it until I finally breed a female one?
 
okay, so I have been attempting an RNG abuse on stark mountain's heatran, I find a seed of 6050266 on a spreadsheet you can download, according to the spreadsheet, you are supposed to get a timid nature and 31/2/31/30/31/31 hp grass 70, okay so I get the right time and year and hit the seed which went: T T T T T T T H H T at 2015 and at 5:00pm ok so I begin my quest to hit the frame of 5714 with a synchronizer (its actual frame being 5747) 5714-5 wandering pokemon-1monster frame= 5708/2=2854 journal flips minus one because of the journal popping up in the continue=2853 ok so I open my journal and get to the part where the caught pokemon is, minus one, then I flip to a page next to it with a caught pokemon and back to the other one minus two, I repeat that process until I hit the "frame" after catching the heatran two times its stats have remained the same
Attack 93 Defense 116 Sp. Atk 149 Sp. Def 123 Speed 101
when I check its IVs I get the following:
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Heatran
Timid; Flashfire
6 - 7 / 18 - 19 / 10 - 11 / 29 / 24 - 25 / 20 - 21

pardon my french but im not crazy, either this frame is a fraud or I have miscounted my nearly 3k journal flips to the same number as the time before.. *sarcasm*
 
yawg07 said:
What frame is it, then?
Check it against your sheet and find out. You can't be that far off I don't think.
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That frame you he got is all around the target frame. It shows up 3 times before target frame, 1 right after, and many more times. You are doing something wrong, probably have the wrong amount of runners out or journal flips.
 
I running into some problems hitting the right Delay. I was trying to hit a Delay of 594 on 06/13/10, and I'm lucky to keep my delay around 600. But when I try a different date, for example, 08/31/09 with a Target Delay of 606, I consistently hit a delay of 594. Is this common? I thought delay was entirely based on how fast I mash A, but if I'm getting consistent results for a single time, that makes me think otherwise.

Suggestions?
 
Sometimes I'll just hit a streak of the same delay, too.
And if I switch to a different time because I'm "hot" on a certain number, I'll fail to hit it again.
You get into a groove sometimes, and when you break it to use RNG Reporter or whatever, you lose that rhythm.
 
minus six (5 runners and 1 for its monster frame)

then I divide the number by two and subtract one for the journal popping up right after "continue" then when I get to the caught poke I subtract 1 and go to the page next to it which also has a caught poke, when I go back to the first and subtract two for the two page flips, I keep going like this until I run out of page flips, but perhaps if that frame I hit is all around i might misclick my calculator's subtract button... im going to attempt another RNG tomorrow and see what happens...

I running into some problems hitting the right Delay. I was trying to hit a Delay of 594 on 06/13/10, and I'm lucky to keep my delay around 600. But when I try a different date, for example, 08/31/09 with a Target Delay of 606, I consistently hit a delay of 594. Is this common? I thought delay was entirely based on how fast I mash A, but if I'm getting consistent results for a single time, that makes me think otherwise.

Suggestions?
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yeah, just stick with one number no matter what, or else you'll regrett it when you hit it after you change the year
 
Wulf said:
minus six (5 runners and 1 for its monster frame)

then I divide the number by two and subtract one for the journal popping up right after "continue" then when I get to the caught poke I subtract 1 and go to the page next to it which also has a caught poke, when I go back to the first and subtract two for the two page flips, I keep going like this until I run out of page flips, but perhaps if that frame I hit is all around i might misclick my calculator's subtract button... im going to attempt another RNG tomorrow and see what happens...


yeah, just stick with one number no matter what, or else you'll regrett it when you hit it after you change the year
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If you are certain you have 5 runners out, the only other problem would be you messing up your journal flips. There is no other explanation.
 
Im going to attempt it again tomorrow, if I get the same problem Ill keep you guys posted, i'll also do the page flips more carefully since lightning says that the pokemon frame I hit is all around the target frame.
-wulf out
 
When you evolve a shiny nincada into a shiny shedinja it becomes the persons OT who evolved it right? Couldn't you find out your secret ID by having someone trade you a UT nincada?
 
LightningFusion said:
I don't know if that would work or not. I haven't reset on diamond in a while, so I don't know if you can walk in the grass or not. I think it wouldn't work because there is no chance to encounter a pokemon, unless they programmed it to where there it is treated like a repel is up and still able to walk in the grass. You can test it if you want. Save in front of the case and take it immediately, then get your seed later based on the pokemon, then do the same thing but take an extra turn in the grass and get the pokemon. If the first one is on frame X, and the second one is on the additional frames from walking in the grass, then it is possible most likely.


Austin - Don't post questions like that. It is irrelevant. The maximum frame should be what you are willing to do. Some people have gone for frames in 10000 before I bet, while others won't go over 2000. This is a bad question and changes for everyone. It all depends on how much time you have and if you want a flawless pokemon or not.
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I'm not sure if the frame can be advanced at all LF. The whole starter chosing scene starts as soon as you enter the lake front, and you have no control over your actions outside of choosing your Pokemon.
 
When using Wichu's program, am I significantly limiting my search by putting 735 as the max delay? If so, what should I replace that with?
 
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