Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

When you evolve a shiny nincada into a shiny shedinja it becomes the persons OT who evolved it right? Couldn't you find out your secret ID by having someone trade you a UT nincada?
Nope. Sheddy keeps the OT that it had as a Nincada and that the Ninjask also has.
 
Mingot or anyone else who can answer this:
This thread has gotten me thinking about other uses of the RNG generator. So after thinking a bit, I came up with a hypothesis that the RNG also generates your Trainer ID and Secret ID.

I am not sure if this has already been thought up of (but I would not be surprised if it had been) my logic is that the RNG spews out numbers which go up to 2^16 (FFFF) when called once. Your ID also goes up to FFFF as well as your SID. A PID is generated in 2 parts, which are separated when determining if a Pokemon is shiny, and so it would make sense that the ID/SID are also generated together, and used to determine if a Pokemon is shiny.

To sum it up, PID, ID, and SID are all used to determine whether a Pokemon is shiny and are all numbers that can go up to 2^16.

Edit: I posted this here because it is related the DPPt PRNG research.

ID/SID are generated once at the beginning of the game. They use the Mersenne Twister, if I am not mistaken (tccphreak researched the hell out of this). One call to get all 32 bits and then it is split. The important thing is that this only happens once and you keep the same ID/SID for the duration of your game. They are not regenerated per monster.

It is well known that shinyness is a combination of PID/SID/ID. Check out X-Acts PID article for all of the details on that.

Oh, interesting. It's the Wayward Cave (Main), using Method J. I've had no problems anywhere else so far. And it's odd that the ROM might be wrong.

I don't remember all the trials exactly but I do remember that the cave itself, for whatever reason, always advances the frame by 2. On three separate occasions, I hit my seed and sweet scented, sometimes immediately, other times waiting around 1 minute.

I expected to land on frame 3 (1 roamer), but I have landed on frame 5. Furthermore, the pokemon I caught all three times were Bronzors, when they should have been Zubats. The nature and IVs all match up. I then tried a few more times with different spreads and different frames, and the IVs all workout but the Encounter Slot itself was wrong on 5 separate occasions.

Odd, well for one thing, I'm fairly certain slot 3 is Bronzor and not Zubat at this point haha. I'd have to do the rest manually.

Thanks. I have not forgotten about this and plan to check when I am finally back in town "for good".
 
Yes Mingot I know how the shininess works (BTW I never did getting around to thanking you for your articles on calculating SID), my thought was that the ID and SID have to be generated by a RNG, which I believed to be the RNG because it does not take input data (Such as Parents) into account from what I see. My logic was that I was using the shininess to back it up. I was thinking of how they are generated at the beginning. A use for this would be a good tool for getting shiny starters without the need for an AR.

In other news is this spread any good for a Darkrai:

30/9/31/31/31/31 Timid (Method J)

Sorry I can be about as clear as mud when I try to explain what is in my head
 
You could have re-saved and tried to land your frame, but oh well.
Good job!

hehe, Thanks. I don't have AR so I couldn't check the Ivs. So it was either using the rare candies i had (which i wasn't gonna use) or Iv battle, I chose the Iv battle so it saved it anyway =/
 
Nice simple one for you.

I am currently resetting for shiny nature, hit my spread and all that.

But 1 thing I noticed. How come in the DPPT Shiny Egg Column in time finder, the flips and taps are different to those listed in the main window of RNG reporter?

(Apologies in advance if this has already been asked and answered).
 
Nice simple one for you.

I am currently resetting for shiny nature, hit my spread and all that.

But 1 thing I noticed. How come in the DPPT Shiny Egg Column in time finder, the flips and taps are different to those listed in the main window of RNG reporter?

(Apologies in advance if this has already been asked and answered).

The flips from the main window comes from the method DPPt Egg PID (Normal). You do not have the shiny box checked off. So the first 10 frames are the coin flips shown.
 
hehe, Thanks. I don't have AR so I couldn't check the Ivs. So it was either using the rare candies i had (which i wasn't gonna use) or Iv battle, I chose the Iv battle so it saved it anyway =/

You know, you could always throw your pokemon in the day care to level it up. That's what I do sometimes(read: most of the time :P)
 
I'm not sure if the frame can be advanced at all LF. The whole starter chosing scene starts as soon as you enter the lake front, and you have no control over your actions outside of choosing your Pokemon.
Entering a door advances the seed, well that's what I heard.
 
Entering a door advances the seed, well that's what I heard.

He is talking about abusing a starter at the lake and you can't move at all.

Also, going through doors don't advance it at all. If they did, it would need to be accounted for in the shiny egg process. Going through a door with app 6 open will advance it because the app is treated as if you just turned to the app.
 
I'm going to do some testing, and see what frame they are on (if not 1) some time soon. No frame advancement means IV abusing will probably be impossible, unless I can find a good spread on a low frame; however, it's probably a lost cause.
 
I'm not sure where to post this, but when selecting an ability, the ShinyFinder instructions mentioned that most analysis's and pokedex type things have them listed in the right order. I was breeding an electrode and used smogon's analysis, which listed static first, but when I bred it with ability 0 it was soundproof. So I checked the dex on the rng reported and 0 is soundproof, so the smogon analysis should be changed. Sorry if this is in the wrong place..
 
When breeding with a nidoking and nidoran female, is it possible to get a shiny nidoran female? I have fixed gender/genderless in the shiny finder. I've been trying for a while and now have 9 impish shiny nidoran males. :(
 
Yeah when I did my nidoran, I found that it's the opposite gender o.O
When I bred my nidoran male and female while on vacation, I used the regular 50/50 gender ratio and got it right both times in one try. However, this could have been by chance, so if anyone else has any findings, please post.
 
Vaporeon, I didn't really get what you said. xP What do you mean opposite gender when I'm doing fixed gender? o.o Or am I not supposed to be doing fixed gender? Ugh idk, I'll try it bearsfan092's way for now. Thanks for the help.
 
Ok, i have my shiny egg with the correct nature ect ready to pick up from the old man and im saved right in front of him, so basically im working out my initial frame where im picking the egg up from. I have just ran through collecting the egg and finding my seed and frame a few times heres my obscure results

Test 1: Delay 621 seconds 13 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 8

Test 2: Delay 618 seconds 14 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 6

Test 3: Delay 621 seconds 14 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 9

Test 4: Delay 617 seconds 14 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 8

Test 5: Delay 619 seconds 15 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 7

These results seem very strange to me and fustrating as im not getting a clear picture of what im doing wrong or what frame my egg is actually saved on, as i have said previously this problem has only recently started happening as i have abused for perfect egg IV's a few times before without a hitch, i have not had any 3rd gen cart plugged into my DS either whilst doing this but if anyone can help me out and tell me what i may be doing wrong that would be great.
 
I've been trying to get a shiny egg, but I've been having some trouble =(

I'm using the Time Finder to get a seed with a shiny careful egg PID, and I found one. I'm SRing to one of the given times, and after that, following the steps in the OP as closely as I can. I catch a Pokemon over level 50 inside Stark Mountain to confirm my seed, do the listed RNG taps when I get there, and the egg is wrong anyway.

The only thing I can think of is that the ash falling at Stark Mountain is somehow interfering with the IRNG.

If this is the case, how can I fix it? Can someone recommend a better place (or a better way) to confirm my seed? Would teleporting to Solaceon (rather than leaving the cave and flying there) help, or would teleport interfere with the RNG?

Thanks in advance, I'm really stuck on this =(

EDIT: it's only 16 happiness taps and 6 coin flips, so I doubt I'm somehow losing count.
 
I've been trying to get a shiny egg, but I've been having some trouble =(

I'm using the Time Finder to get a seed with a shiny careful egg PID, and I found one. I'm SRing to one of the given times, and after that, following the steps in the OP as closely as I can. I catch a Pokemon over level 50 inside Stark Mountain to confirm my seed, do the listed RNG taps when I get there, and the egg is wrong anyway.

The only thing I can think of is that the ash falling at Stark Mountain is somehow interfering with the IRNG.

If this is the case, how can I fix it? Can someone recommend a better place (or a better way) to confirm my seed? Would teleporting to Solaceon (rather than leaving the cave and flying there) help, or would teleport interfere with the RNG?

Thanks in advance, I'm really stuck on this =(

EDIT: it's only 16 happiness taps and 6 coin flips, so I doubt I'm somehow losing count.
This part of RNG reporter factors in 10 verification taps. This means that you have to do 10 more coin flips, for a total of 16, and that catching a pokemon is unneccessary. Simply flip the coin 10 times, see if it matches the ones given on RNG reporter, (EX: if it says HTHHTHHTHT then you would get heads, tails, heads, heads, etc.) then do your taps if it is correct. I don't believe that the ash falling affects anything, but it might. I'd move to a different location.

EDIT:
Unfortunatly you won't get a shiny egg going about it like that, and to save me writing a massive page of instructions to help you see this video and follow the steps its an excellent guide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Np5ssscHxE

hope that helps

oh and btw if you havnt got an AR or lots of rare candies to check IV's i normally save in the grass near the resort area for lv 50 and above pokes to check for my initial seed.

RNG reporter has a built in finder that can find seeds with minimal taps to get a shiny egg. they are going about it correctly, just made a mistake. And Stark Mountain has lv. 50+ pokes.
 
I've been trying to get a shiny egg, but I've been having some trouble =(

I'm using the Time Finder to get a seed with a shiny careful egg PID, and I found one. I'm SRing to one of the given times, and after that, following the steps in the OP as closely as I can. I catch a Pokemon over level 50 inside Stark Mountain to confirm my seed, do the listed RNG taps when I get there, and the egg is wrong anyway.

The only thing I can think of is that the ash falling at Stark Mountain is somehow interfering with the IRNG.

If B is the case, how can I fix it? Can someone recommend a better place (or a better way) to confirm my seed? Would teleporting to Solaceon (rather than leaving the cave and flying there) help, or would teleport interfere with the RNG?

Thanks in advance, I'm really stuck on this =(

EDIT: it's only 16 happiness taps and 6 coin flips, so I doubt I'm somehow losing count.

Unfortunatly you won't get a shiny egg going about it like that, and to save me writing a massive page of instructions to help you see this video and follow the steps its an excellent guide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Np5ssscHxE

hope that helps

oh and btw if you havnt got an AR or lots of rare candies to check IV's i normally save in the grass near the resort area for lv 50 and above pokes to check for my initial seed.
 
Unfortunatly you won't get a shiny egg going about it like that, and to save me writing a massive page of instructions to help you see this video and follow the steps its an excellent guide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Np5ssscHxE

hope that helps

oh and btw if you havnt got an AR or lots of rare candies to check IV's i normally save in the grass near the resort area for lv 50 and above pokes to check for my initial seed.

If I shouldn't go about resetting to a specific seed, then why does the program contain a utility designed for exactly that purpose? I have no intention of resetting over and over again and hoping I get a careful, shiny spread for my Eevee =/

I know you're trying to help, but I'm not totally new to this and I can hit a specific seed when I need to. The problem comes after I hit the seed that has my shiny spread on it. I do my taps and everything, and he comes out wrong anyway.
 
All i am trying to say is you can reset for a specific seed on an egg but you do realise that when the old man is holding an egg the nature and shinyness ect.. is already set that can't be changed only the IV's after that can, it would be much easier and less time consuming in my own opinion to save in a spot where you can catch high level pokes to find an intial seed then from there, use the Dppt egg PID (normal) select the shiny box and do this until you get your target nature in a reasonable amount of taps/flips ect. I'm sorry if i sounded rude or ignorant i just thought this may have been the easier method, and if my explanation doesnt make that much sense then the video is a great guide.
 
Ok, i have my shiny egg with the correct nature ect ready to pick up from the old man and im saved right in front of him, so basically im working out my initial frame where im picking the egg up from. I have just ran through collecting the egg and finding my seed and frame a few times heres my obscure results

Test 1: Delay 621 seconds 13 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 8

Test 2: Delay 618 seconds 14 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 6

Test 3: Delay 621 seconds 14 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 9

Test 4: Delay 617 seconds 14 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 8

Test 5: Delay 619 seconds 15 resulted in recieving the egg on Frame 7

These results seem very strange to me and fustrating as im not getting a clear picture of what im doing wrong or what frame my egg is actually saved on, as i have said previously this problem has only recently started happening as i have abused for perfect egg IV's a few times before without a hitch, i have not had any 3rd gen cart plugged into my DS either whilst doing this but if anyone can help me out and tell me what i may be doing wrong that would be great.


I know i shouldnt bump this but im am extremly stuck with this problem could someone or Mingot please give me some assistance on this matter?
 
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