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SPOILERS! Mysteries and Conspiracies of Pokemon

Obstagoon (Gene Simmons)
Gumshoos (Donald Trump) (okay probably not but it had to have at least been partly intentional)
Decidueye is also commonly thought to be partially inspired by Robin Hood, who was almost certainly real even if the specifics are largely very different from how popular media portrays him
Sawk also apparently has a partial real-world basis - its single eyebrow is suggested to have been a reference to Mas Oyama
 
Obstagoon (Gene Simmons)
Gumshoos (Donald Trump) (okay probably not but it had to have at least been partly intentional)
Decidueye is also commonly thought to be partially inspired by Robin Hood, who was almost certainly real even if the specifics are largely very different from how popular media portrays him
Sawk also apparently has a partial real-world basis - its single eyebrow is suggested to have been a reference to Mas Oyama
I am going to say that no they did not base the detective mongoose on donald trump even remotely start to finish
 
I am going to say that no they did not base the detective mongoose on donald trump even remotely start to finish

Come on. It almost certainly wasn't the basis for the design but someone on the design team must have at least noticed the resemblance, particularly when SM came out. My housemate who isn't at all into Pokemon saw a picture of Gumshoos and instantly said "it's Donald Trump!"
 
I really & truly do not think it was intentional on any conceivable level, correct

Well, we'll agree to disagree then. As I said in my last post, I do not think they set out to make "the Donald Trump Pokemon" but they had ample time to tweak the design during the development period of '15/'16 and didn't.
 
Well, we'll agree to disagree then. As I said in my last post, I do not think they set out to make "the Donald Trump Pokemon" but they had ample time to tweak the design during the development period of '15/'16 and didn't.
I mean maybe they just did not care at all about the american election so it wasnt on their radar and-also it was probably way more baked in because the model was already finalized even if they did realize it and, also, wanted to change it because of that.
It is insanely easy for me to see why something like this would not be realized or bothered changing
 
As I lie awake at 5:45 AM, I ponder Regigigas.

:ss/regigigas:

Regigigas created inorganic automotons in its image, using stone, ice, metal and/or magma, electricity, and crystalized dragon energy. But what are Regigigas's origins? Is it organic? It's still got that weird seven-dot robot face. What are those colored things? Are they also eyes? Why do they flash with the seven dots in its intro animation? Why are its seven dots so vertical, like seriously what kind of a face is that?

  • Origins & Organic: If we want an easy answer about who made Regigigas, we could just say Arceus. While Arceus created the Pokemon World, it probably has so much power it can't exactly sculp it to its desired form. It needed a third party, a tool, that it can command & leave the shaping of the landmasses to. Thus, it created Regigigas from the same earth it would move; so yes it's also organic (though filled with godly energy which is why its Normal-type instead of Ground which would have given it some significant weaknesses which might hamper its job).
    But outside an Arceus explanation that would fall into sorta "conspiracy" theory that it was made my an ancient advanced civilization for some other purpose (while it could certainly still be tasked to moving landmasses, it would now be to the benefit of the ancient civilization than just following Arceus's will to make the planet habitable).
    Or, maybe combine them, maybe there was an "original" Regigigas created by Arceus which made the Pokemon World as it is, but once done it fused back into the world (new theory: all of Sinnoh is the remains of this original Regigigas); then, based on the legends and possibly finding accessible leftovers of its power, some ancient civilizations created their onw mock-up of Regigigas (it being Normal-type as it has lost much of its elemental power); because of this it could be why Regigigas creates the original Titan Trio to try and give it the ability to move landmasses again.
    As you can see, there's a lot to consider and we may never know cause it's likely lost history that doesn't matter in the long run (and GF aren't interested or they just want it to remain a simple story).

  • Colored Rings/Plates: I think they're supposed to be "plates" (as in a general term for a flat circle disc, not the dishware you eat food off from) than "rings".
    Anyway the plate's colors relate to the original Titan Trio: Regirock, Regice, and Registeel; that can't just be coincidence. Sticking with just the theories I presented, if it was made by Arceus the plates could serve two purposes: it allows it to easily create any member of the Titan Trio (and control them) and maybe even acts as a sort of "mode" it can enter depending on the environment it's in (like if pushing an icy landmass, it can enter "Ice Mode" and its body will change in various ways to adapt to the cold, snow, and ice; these modes will not give it any major battle advantage, or since it's done with its job it may have just lost this functionality).
    If solely by an ancient civilization, well honestly same purpose.
    It's for the ancient civilizations based it on the legend where the plates may have been needed in order to even operate, and though it could also be used to create & control the Titan Trio that'll probably be the extent to what it would do in this scenario.
    As for why they glow along with the dots, well it would have likely glowed when using a that certain plate color; but outside of that could just be doing a maintenance check on it, sort of like a printer flashing all of its lights when turn on.

  • Oblong Dot Pattern: Well, a question to consider: considering Regigigas is the boss of the Titan Trio, should we only be looking at its dots just being the seven on its middle yellow adornment OR should we also be including the plates which would give it 13 dots. What would be the significance of that? I don't know. Yeah, this one is gonna be a big question mark from me. The problem here is I think the dot patterns are just what looked good, there really is no deeper meaning behind them; they semi-relate to the braille puzzles linked to them (which was done to reference them being based on the Golem of Prague of Jewish mythology).
    If you want me to try and BS something: Regirock's dots are in a shape of layers of bedrock; Regice's in a shape of an ice crystal; Registeel's is a hexagon which is a shape often seen in nature because of the strong bonds they can make; Regieleki's could be a few things like a circuit, wire/cable, or representing transmission or electrical signals; Regidrago's could be in the shape of a dragon's claw, head, or a dragon with its wings spread; and finally Regigigas, being the boss controlling them, it's dot pattern could be so different is because maybe it represents an antenna or wand in which it sends and receives messages to the other Titans.

The dots are kind of problematic, because the consensus seemed to be that they represented the three Hoenn Regis... which makes one question why it doesn't have dots representing the other two.

Regieleki and Regidrago really do throw a wrench into theories as now you gotta explain them. The easiest way to explain them away would be simply that for however long Regigigas existed it only needed the powers of the original three Titans. But then, possibly because it sees how civilization is changing the world and has calculated where this human progression is going, a few thousand years ago decided to make some new Titans that would be useful (an electric one for technology, a dragon one maybe for magic or harnessing prehistoric power). Though, if their oddity and dex descriptions are anything to go by, they're possibly not complete or Regigigas ambitions for them fell short due to not being familiar with their elements like it is with the original three.

Though, while the above explanation is fine enough to explain them lacking representation in Regigigas' design, it doesn't answer why they're now suddenly needed to at least activate the Regigigas in Galar. Now, could just be a quirk with Galar's Regigigas and it being hidden in a Dynamax Lair. However, if there's a future game which has a Regigigas that needs all five we now have a lore problem. If I was GF, I wouldn't make Regieleki and Regidrago needed to awaken Regigigas, INSTEAD I would make them needed to gain access to one member of the original trio. Like a quick idea is you first get Regirock, you take it to ruins that are revealed to be Regigigas' workshop and use its rock mending ability to repair either a stone or electricity or stone of dragon energy. Once you do it enters a machine and out comes either a Regieleki or Regidrago. You can use the Regieleki to power machinery inside metallic ruins where Registeel is, or you can use Regidrago to use its dragon flames to melt away magical ice in an icy ruin where Regice is. You could then use Regirock & Registeel/Regice to then be able to activate a backdoor to the ruins which gets you Regice/Registeel who then are used to awaken Regigigas. OR, if they want them all to be obtainable in one game, while you still need Regirock first you need to explore halfway into the metallic ruins and icy ruins to get the parts needed to build both Regieleki and Regidrago. Or an idea which uses all of them is that Regieleki and Regidrago aren't needed to awaken Regigigas directly, but they are needed to open the passage that leads to where Regigigas lays dormant.

I've never taken the dots on the centre yellow piece of its body to be its face but I suppose they could be, or at least the top four are the eyes and the bottom three are (the equivalent of) its mouth and nose, but with such deliberately non-human biology it's probably not meant to be that clear.

It's certainly not like a head that humans and most animals have but I would say at the very least it likely contains the sensory "organs" it uses to "see", "hear", and/or whatever it senses to interact with the world around it. While attacking it probably wouldn't be as effective with a "normal" head, I'd imagine notable damage to it would affect its operational capability to an extent.

Well, most if not all of the legendary Pokemon in Sinnoh seem to serve some sort of function. Cresselia mitigates Darkrai's nightmare powers, Shaymin is the physical manifestation of gratitude, the lake trio embody knowledge, emotion, and willpower. Heatran controls volcanoes.

So what does Regigigas do? Its appearance in the movie has it preventing a glacier from crashing into a town, and in the manga it only stirs itself when there's an impending disaster. Might it have been created by Arceus to serve as a sort of warden or ranger, preventing or mitigating the effect of natural disasters, and created the other Regi species in turn to act as aids to humanity? That's the vibe I've always sort of gotten from Regigigas. It wasn't created by people, it was created for them.

I would say Shaymin's purpose is more than just being physical gratitude as it has the power to absorb pollution and grow fields of flowers.

Also I'm not sure if Heatran really has a "purpose". Sure it can cause its volcano lair to erupt, but so can some other Pokemon so it's not a unique ability (as horrifying as that implies upon thinking about it). Heatran always felt it was more of a creature of happenstance, like it doesn't exist to control volcanoes but rather it exists as a result of a volcanic eruption or some other thing (like maybe a death of a volcano, Heatran arising out of the remains as a retainer of what residual power was left).

Also, we know what Regigigas does: it moves landmasses which formed the continents and mountains (among other features or a planet too). That's its main purpose anyway, it's job seems mostly done so it could have settled into a sentry role, naturally awakening when it sense a disturbance in nature. Though it being made to serve people I'm a little iffy on if we're going it was made by Arceus. Now if it was made by people that would be an entirely different story.

I think more accurately, newly introduced mechanics are very jank with stuff like this. Even as late as Gen 6, we've got the "newly discovered" Fairy type.
XY's treatment of the Fairy Type is so funny, I get they needed to make sure old fans knew what was up with the big new thing but c'mon ya'll we already went through this stupid rodeo! You can't be doing that!

In my own headcanon I have a "time ripple" theory where whenever something "new" comes into being that Arceus (whether it created it or not, I'd imagine it would still be aware of something coming into existence) would then carefully send out a "time ripple" which would place these new things naturally into the past so that they've always been a thing; then the present would correct itself with these new additions to the past so that it doesn't seem strange that a few years ago we were treating this "established" thing as a new discovery.

Now depending on the "thing" it would likely take more consideration of how it's placed in the past. Like new Moves are probably a snap to add, but introduction to new major things like Abilities or new Types probably takes a considerable amount of effort to not mess up their past application. This would mean that, for a certain amount of time, the new thing would be treated as something just discovered until it can be placed properly in the past and the present can correct itself. Now, it would have to correct itself in a way that it makes sense people became fascinated with it, like it was a strange fad, but by next gen the time ripple would be done so the new thing is now commonplace and no one sees it as something that didn't exist before, because by their adjusted perspective its always been there.

"Boy it sure is weird that after setting foot in Kalos my Gardevoir just face-tanked that Garchomp's Outrage instead of crumpling over instantly."

Magnemite family: Hey, the same thing happened to us. We went to Johto and suddenly we're immune to Poison and fire REALLY hurts now.

And I can only imagine what some Gen I and II Pokemon thought when they were suddenly given Abilities.

I am going to say that no they did not base the detective mongoose on donald trump even remotely start to finish

Gotta side with R_N on this one, I'd be more willing to bet Gumshoos being more based on Dick Tracy, possibly Detective Gumshoe from the Ace Attorney series (note Gumshoos looks to have a small beard which Trump doesn't have but Gumshoe does) and just in general the grizzled detective archetype before Trump.

Only reason its said to resemble Trump is the hair looking kind of plastic-y. Would like to see the design notes for it explaining what they were going for with that, I think maybe they were going for, maybe a sad attempt to make a naturally looking deerstalker to reference Sherlock Holmes?
 
Also I'm not sure if Heatran really has a "purpose". Sure it can cause its volcano lair to erupt, but so can some other Pokemon so it's not a unique ability (as horrifying as that implies upon thinking about it). Heatran always felt it was more of a creature of happenstance, like it doesn't exist to control volcanoes but rather it exists as a result of a volcanic eruption or some other thing (like maybe a death of a volcano, Heatran arising out of the remains as a retainer of what residual power was left).

Not quite true. In Platinum at least, the Magma Stone explicitly keeps Heatran restrained - if it's moved or interfered with, Heatran could rampage and cause Stark Mountain to erupt. It's implied in Gen IV that Stark Mountain is a unique case but then of course later games had to start shoehorning it in; Reversal Mountain in Unova is said to be "the same kind of volcano as Stark Mountain" which is an odd wording to use - surely it's just... a volcano? - so I took that to mean that there are certain volcanoes around the world which contain Heatran (i.e. not all of them do - Cinnabar Island's doesn't, and nor does Mt. Chimney).

Those particular environments have been affected by Heatran's presence (or perhaps, chicken-and-egg, spawned a Heatran) and need it to keep them in check. In that sense, Heatran serves a role as a Pokemon which prevents massive and devastating eruptions from affecting nearby human and Pokemon populations. I admit that that's partially my own interpretation though.
 
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Considering how pokemon games are made, gumshoos could have had its art finalized back in 2014-early 2015 already. I find it much likely to be a coincidence.

An employee also answered a question that it wasn't inspired by any real life person. Whether you believe it is up to you
Not just an employee; Masuda himself said that to Game Informer before S&M was even released
(is Masuda even an employee? he's a founding member of Gamefreak, you'd think he'd be a boss)
 
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Not quite true. In Platinum at least, the Magma Stone explicitly keeps Heatran restrained - if it's moved or interfered with, Heatran could rampage and cause Stark Mountain to erupt. It's implied in Gen IV that Stark Mountain is a unique case but then of course later games had to start shoehorning it in; Reversal Mountain in Unova is said to be "the same kind of volcano as Stark Mountain" which is an odd wording to use - surely it's just... a volcano? - so I took that to mean that there are certain volcanoes around the world which contain Heatran (i.e. not all of them do - Cinnabar Island's doesn't, and nor does Mt. Chimney).

Those particular environments have been affected by Heatran's presence (or perhaps, chicken-and-egg, spawned a Heatran) and need it to keep them in check. In that sense, Heatran serves a role as a Pokemon which prevents massive and devastating eruptions from affecting nearby human and Pokemon populations. I admit that that's partially my own interpretation though.

Hm, maybe Stark and Reverse Mountain are Supervolcanoes, the most powerful volcanoes which are directly above Hot Spots. One of them erupting would not only be super dangerous for those nearby, but the amount of smoke they'll release could cause climate change around the planet such as bringing a volcanic winter (potentially an ice age). And in the world of Pokemon, it would make sense for such volcanoes would be able to generate a Legendary Pokemon (or rather the Hot Spot their above).
 
:ss/tentacruel::ss/metagross::ss/regirock::ss/regice::ss/registeel::ss/klinklang::ss/carbink::ss/diancie::ss/dragapult:

What is the flavor of Clear Body? The name would suggest that the user's body is transparent, and that works for half of the Pokemon with Clear Body, but then you've got Metagross, Regirock, Registeel, and Klinklang, who in no way can be construed as transparent.

That's a tough question, as even the Japanese Translation "クリアボデ" translates to "Clear Body", so its meaning doesn't seem to be lost in localization unless there's some cultural context I'm missing. I will note that Rocks are used in Zen Gardens to symbolize Buddha or Power, so it's possible some Rock (and even Steel Types) would have the purity or power to "clear" their body of anything that could lowering their stats, but this is a massive stretch to say the least.

More likely alongside the more organic transparent users, Clear Body could also signify a sort of purity within the Pokemon's body, as your examples + Regice all appear to be made of a pure inorganic substance, and thus might be "clear" of impurities in their stats as a result of this.
 
That's a tough question, as even the Japanese Translation "クリアボデ" translates to "Clear Body", so its meaning doesn't seem to be lost in localization unless there's some cultural context I'm missing. I will note that Rocks are used in Zen Gardens to symbolize Buddha or Power, so it's possible some Rock (and even Steel Types) would have the purity or power to "clear" their body of anything that could lowering their stats, but this is a massive stretch to say the least.

More likely alongside the more organic transparent users, Clear Body could also signify a sort of purity within the Pokemon's body, as your examples + Regice all appear to be made of a pure inorganic substance, and thus might be "clear" of impurities in their stats as a result of this.
Yeah it being used also as a pun, makes the most sense to me: some have a more literal clear/transluscent body, others have a "clear", clean, pure body.
 
Nincada's dex entries almost always mention its bad eyesight... and yet, its only non-Hidden Ability is Compound Eye.

Note a lot of its dex entries says its virtually/nearly blind, which isn't completely blind. From how I take it, it's likely it can make out silhouettes (further helped with its antenna likely adding in field of depth) but not any detail. But for Compoundeyes that's all it needs: Just to know where the target is. It may not know what its hitting, but it can certainly pinpoint target that blob shape.
 
Not quite true. In Platinum at least, the Magma Stone explicitly keeps Heatran restrained - if it's moved or interfered with, Heatran could rampage and cause Stark Mountain to erupt. It's implied in Gen IV that Stark Mountain is a unique case but then of course later games had to start shoehorning it in; Reversal Mountain in Unova is said to be "the same kind of volcano as Stark Mountain" which is an odd wording to use - surely it's just... a volcano? - so I took that to mean that there are certain volcanoes around the world which contain Heatran (i.e. not all of them do - Cinnabar Island's doesn't, and nor does Mt. Chimney).

Those particular environments have been affected by Heatran's presence (or perhaps, chicken-and-egg, spawned a Heatran) and need it to keep them in check. In that sense, Heatran serves a role as a Pokemon which prevents massive and devastating eruptions from affecting nearby human and Pokemon populations. I admit that that's partially my own interpretation though.

Maybe thats why Cinnabar Volcano erupted in those 3 years. Heatran hadn’t been discovered by RBY/FRLG, but in those 3 years someone accidentally stumbled upon the Magma Stone there and removed it, rip Cinnabar.
 
Maybe thats why Cinnabar Volcano erupted in those 3 years. Heatran hadn’t been discovered by RBY/FRLG, but in those 3 years someone accidentally stumbled upon the Magma Stone there and removed it, rip Cinnabar.

My theory has actually always been that if anything caused the eruption on Cinnabar it was Entei, not Heatran. The Pokedex repeatedly states that volcanoes erupt when Entei roars, and Cinnabar's eruption took place one year prior to the player getting there. Since the player awakened it in Ecruteak (and since it could quite plausibly be a year in-universe from that point to Gold/Kris/Lyra going to Kanto) its roar upon being disturbed may have triggered the nearest active volcano - Cinnabar's.
 
Not really a mystery but something interesting I noticed: in-game in BW, there's no space for Desert Resort and Nimbasa City to exist together (which is why they're rendered as separate areas). The official artwork of Unova just has Desert Resort off to the side of Route 4 but in-game it's to the left and then up, meaning that realistically it would take a chunk out of where Nimbasa is meant to be. A similar issue occurs with Route 16 and the themepark area of Nimbasa - they don't line up.

But when you factor in Join Avenue in B2W2, there's just about space for both:

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In fact, their sizes are exactly the same: Join Avenue is 69 steps long from entrance to exit, while Desert Resort is 69 steps lengthwise at the longest point. It's really strange they didn't just put the entrance to Desert Resort at the side instead, because it's a noticeable inconsistency with the official maps, which are generally pretty accurate. But Unova has a surprising amount of similar inconsistencies on its map, like how the Cold Storage/PWT is an island in-game despite appearing to be on the mainland or how there are two rivers north of Opelucid but the player only ever crosses one.
 
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