The team doesn't have to be centered around Voltturn. Just having Rotom-W, Scizor, and four other Pokemon that can actually use attacks ruins your strategy. If you lead with Ninjask, Scizor's U-turns will always break your Subs, so I can simply lead off with him and go into Rotom-W. You have to pass into Celebi before Ninjask is in Bullet Punch range, so from there, I will go into Scizor again.No, that isn't really true. I haven't used quick pass teams in BW2, so I can't speak for it, but, baton pass chains are not at all "completely shut down" by teams that are centered around voltturn.
Why do you even think Celebi is being used? Iron Defense, Taunt, Amnesia, BP Mew can easily Iron defense on the u-turn and not be threatened by the next Volt switch. In another scenario, Specially Defensive Zapdos isn't threatened by Rotom at all and you're not going to Volt switch to Scizor, obviously. If you go to Tyranitar, Vaporeon is always a safe switch in unless you're using band. EDIT: Did not see Birkal's post. Will stop discussing the matter.The team doesn't have to be centered around Voltturn. Just having Rotom-W, Scizor, and four other Pokemon that can actually use attacks ruins your strategy. If you lead with Ninjask, Scizor's U-turns will always break your Subs, so I can simply lead off with him and go into Rotom-W. You have to pass into Celebi before Ninjask is in Bullet Punch range, so from there, I will go into Scizor again.
The same thing can be said for Salamence, who also outspeeds scarfed Genesect. I guess the surprise of a scarfed Kyu-b could have something going for it, but I'm not sure that it's worth it, really, since the scarfed set is going to have similar switchins and the pokemon who commonly revenge it that carry scarves will still outspeed it.I've found Scarf Kyurem-B to be a terror once Steels are dead. Outspeeds everything else that isn't scarfed and almost always OHKOs with Outrage. Scarf Terrakion checks, MP Breloom checks (but can't OHKO), and that's about it. I've paired mine with a Magnezone to somewhat decent success, but I think it's best late game once everything else is dead or weakened.
I agree from what I have seen i have been mainly using chomp and salamence to compare to it while on the ladder and slamence preforms so much better as a scarfer, mainly due to that higher speed and moxie more often or not gives him the way to power through teams late game, while kyruem has to fight against other choice scarfers and priority users, which salamence contends with to a much lesser extent resisting brelooms match punch, top that off mence has a fantastic move pool which allows him to hit super effective damage against whats left of the opponents team.The same thing can be said for Salamence, who also outspeeds scarfed Genesect. I guess the surprise of a scarfed Kyu-b could have something going for it, but I'm not sure that it's worth it, really, since the scarfed set is going to have similar switchins and the pokemon who commonly revenge it that carry scarves will still outspeed it.
I have found that too, but it dose not say much for kyruem if he is not getting used in the susspect ladder, all these people sseem to care about is getting voting rights are kyruem is too much of a liability to get them.This whole ladder experience has been really shitty tbh. I've been watching ala ladder all day, after laddering to reqs myself yesterday, and I saw a grand total of maybe 20 kyurem-b in the 150+ matches between us two. I've honestly seen like two today, which makes it really hard to decide on how to vote, as I'm pretty on the fence tbh. Everyone is using the same rain team (Toed / Nado-T / Ferro / Tenta / Duggy / Gene), which gets really annoying quickly. I've seen that team in probably 7 out of 10 matches today. Playing against that team a few times is a pain, but playing against it every match gets really tedious quickly.
My point was that Kyurem-B isn't broken, which seems to be the general agreement of this thread. Hydregion does not have any counters -- the on-site analysis agrees with me, so don't make it sound like that's stupid. My point is that Kyurem-B is not broken whatsoever, if it was as Uber as you claim, then it would get more usage, just like the (possibly uber) Genesect does.Using PO stats is about the shittiest arguement i can think of; no offense to you but I just want to tell you this now so you don't put your faith into them.
When Deo-N was legal on PO, and I mean legal for a while, it had less than 4% usage. On the DW ladder, Zapdos had a higher usage than Thundurus and was at like 17 at one point or another.
Sub/HP Fire Kyu B beats Scizor withut a problem, and Hyreigon doesn't have counters? Lol ok.