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At this point it can go back to Ubers or come down to OU as far as I am concerned, sadly I was not able to improve my rating cause I waited too long to decide I want to make a "difference".

I did enjoy the test though, being able to use one of my favorite dragon Pokemon was quite thrilling, though too me he didn't perform as well as I hoped, like many other people I know that participated, my team was mainly geared towards keeping Latios in mind but not centered around actually stopping him as I wanted to see how well my "Standard Ladder" team fared in the suspect metagame, and I was quite surprised.

Throughout the test I was able to handle Latios quite well, the sets that scared me a little was the Memento sets and Specs set but I was able to handle them with some status and Trap Scizor, though I was screwed pver in some of the battles, and was by things like ScarfLead Togekiss and Metagross n 0_o, Latios was never able to sweep my team with ease.

I would vote OU if I met the requirements, but now I just don't care anymore as I believe people will be voting Uber, meh if OU dream come true I guess. =/
 
I would vote OU if I met the requirements, but now I just don't care anymore as I believe people will be voting Uber, meh if OU dream come true I guess. =/
Well you may never know. Some of us here want Latios to come to OU as well, so just pray that it stays in OU.

Also, I'm still seeing quite a bit of life orb sets at the moment, even though the suspect testing is over.
 
From what I've seen I'd say latios is OU, He's easily killed by pursuit and without a fire or ground move besides hidden power he really has trouble against steels, the specs set is beaten by bulky steels and good prediction, and the memento set is killed by brick break/tauunt.

ps when is the voting thread going up?
 
From what I've seen I'd say latios is OU, He's easily killed by pursuit and without a fire or ground move besides hidden power he really has trouble against steels, the specs set is beaten by bulky steels and good prediction, and the memento set is killed by brick break/tauunt.

ps when is the voting thread going up?
This is big when it comes to reasoning that Latios is either OU or Uber. Unlike Garchomp (he doesn't mind pursuit that much), Latios just gets into massive problems against pursuiters (T-tar/Scizor), especially if Latios has just used Draco Meteor. With Tyranitar, you probably don't even have a chance to switch since your Latios would be dead anyways.

Considering how common pursuiters are in the standard metagame nowdays, I don't see how Latios tends to completely wipe out someone's team anytime soon.
 
Why people are voting uber is beyond me. I really am yet to see any convincing argument for Latios not being OU in comparison to his more usable sister.
 
I don't care if the date's beyond the last post, or the fact that I didn't touch this, but I seriously don't know where people are getting this Uber feel from

Some of you argue that it's too strong. Alright. And so you all might say "Specs Draco Meteor 2HKOes everything in the game" or something like that. I say this: What stops Salamence? Salamence 2HKOes everything in the game with CB Outrage barring Steels, and they can't come in safely with the other moves around. What stops Gengar? It can Sub/HP Fire Scizors and Focus Punch Tyranitar, and it has a ton of other stuff to destroy a large portion of the metagame. Also, Specs Latios has something it doesn't 2HKO: Blissey. But then you say "Yeah, but Latios has Trick". So now what you're assuming is that the Latios player is playing perfectly, Draco Meteoring/Surfing everything appropriately and Tricking Blissey switch ins. But you can't be perfect. And so I'll say, "I send in Bliss everytime you attack and send in a Choice Pursuit user everytime you Trick". Really, what makes it more dangerous than Salamence? Also do I have to mention to number of checks Latios has? Blissey, Scizor, TTar, Scarftran, Weavile, Heracross, etc? Pursuit weak?

And I recall a few people complaining about DS Memento. Well what does Latios have that Uxie doesn't? Recover? Tell me, how many times will you be using Recover instead of Mementoing? If you feel that this set makes Latios Uber, then Uxie must surely be Uber, because it can perform the set just as well, and it gets U-turn too.

Sorry I had to get this out here but I felt I had to since I never spoke about Latios. If you want to argue with me, go ahead and PM me.
 
I don't care if the date's beyond the last post, or the fact that I didn't touch this, but I seriously don't know where people are getting this Uber feel from

Some of you argue that it's too strong. Alright. And so you all might say "Specs Draco Meteor 2HKOes everything in the game" or something like that. I say this: What stops Salamence? Salamence 2HKOes everything in the game with CB Outrage barring Steels, and they can't come in safely with the other moves around. What stops Gengar? It can Sub/HP Fire Scizors and Focus Punch Tyranitar, and it has a ton of other stuff to destroy a large portion of the metagame. Also, Specs Latios has something it doesn't 2HKO: Blissey. But then you say "Yeah, but Latios has Trick". So now what you're assuming is that the Latios player is playing perfectly, Draco Meteoring/Surfing everything appropriately and Tricking Blissey switch ins. But you can't be perfect. And so I'll say, "I send in Bliss everytime you attack and send in a Choice Pursuit user everytime you Trick". Really, what makes it more dangerous than Salamence? Also do I have to mention to number of checks Latios has? Blissey, Scizor, TTar, Scarftran, Weavile, Heracross, etc? Pursuit weak?

And I recall a few people complaining about DS Memento. Well what does Latios have that Uxie doesn't? Recover? Tell me, how many times will you be using Recover instead of Mementoing? If you feel that this set makes Latios Uber, then Uxie must surely be Uber, because it can perform the set just as well, and it gets U-turn too.

Sorry I had to get this out here but I felt I had to since I never spoke about Latios. If you want to argue with me, go ahead and PM me.


Thank god for this post. I hope its not too late.

"So now what you're assuming is that the Latios player is playing perfectly, Draco Meteoring/Surfing everything appropriately and Tricking Blissey switch ins. But you can't be perfect. And so I'll say, "I send in Bliss everytime you attack and send in a Choice Pursuit user everytime you Trick".

This is a beautiful argument. Jibaku is amazing.

Stop the idiocy vote OU.
 
I agree with those of you who support Latios being in OU. Taken from my suspect voting approval question:

I feel that the main criteria that should be used when determining a Pokemon’s tier are its offensive, defensive, and support capabilities. It is fairly evident that a Pokemon’s power is related to all three of these. This can be seen in the Smogondex, with nearly every set on every Pokemon focusing mainly on one of these roles. A Pokemon is uber when, under normal battle conditions, a Pokemon can sweep, wall and stall, or often allow another Pokemon to sweep with ease against a major chunk of the metagame with little effort.

The offensive and defensive characteristics are fairly straightforward so I’d like to concentrate on the support characteristic. When most people choose a support Pokemon, it’s designed to last. Latios can’t take hits as well as his sister and since she has the same support options and then some (with the exception of Memento) with higher defenses, we would’ve likely seen her voted uber. Even with Recover and Roost, Latios will not stay around as long as his sister and is the inferior support option in the “staying power” respect. Regardless, Latios’ support capabilities were put to the test. The dual screen set with Memento became the best option, allowing users to safely bring in their sweeper on a Pokemon with -2 in both attacking stats and both screens in play. After this, it was a matter of Rock Polishing, Swords Dancing, Taunting (if necessary), and passing to a recipient (usually Life Orb Metagross). While a Pokemon with dual screens and +2 in Spd and Att would make a formidable opponent, it is far from foolproof. To start off against Latios, many Pokemon render it nearly useless. Scizor can do massive amounts of damage with STAB Technician Bullet Punch and Technician Pursuit. An Ice Shard from the likes of Mamoswine or a Weavile Night Slash/Ice Punch will do massive amounts of damage. There are many more counters if Latios isn’t running the screens necessary to immediately reduce the damage that it will take. When Latios first comes into play, there are a few main options. Fast Taunters prevent Latios from using anything but the likely one Dragon attack that he has. Sleep attacks can put him out of commission if he isn’t using a Lum Berry. Encore has found its place in the UU metagame, it could also be used to put an immediate stop to a dual screen Latios. While Latios is still in play or even once Gliscor has been switched in, Brick Break will leave the opponent with a couple of wasted turns. Swampert can break the screens and down Gliscor with a 4x effective Ice attack or a STAB Water attack if you fear Yache berry. To make it even easier, the opponent will likely Taunt you on the turn you break their screens, for fear of Roar. This allows you the extra turn needed to score the KO on the next turn. Even if they do somehow manage to pass speed AND attack, they’re going to be facing a STAB EQ without any screens to soften the blows and the LO BP recipient isn’t going to last much longer after that. Other suitable Brick Breakers include Salamence, Dragonite, Rhyperior, Gliscor, Machamp, Weavile (again!), and why not even Gengar or Snorlax? Even lacking any of those options, a surprise Roarer that Gliscor will BP against to avoid damage (think Vaporeon and maybe Zapdos) will be able to roar out the sweeper as it receives the BP. Finally, brute force can work as well. Rain Dance teams simply don’t even care about this set up and sweep every portion of it with ease. Pokemon such as Mamoswine can force Gliscor to BP early with Blizzard and upon predicting the BP, EQ the sweeper as it switches in. Just making sure you hit the sweeper as it comes in is often good enough. If you use some crafty switching after that, you can often force him to KO himself through Life Orb recoil and lose maybe only one Pokemon in the process. Those are the most prominent options and they are plenty enough.

The offensive capabilities weren’t overwhelming. Specs sets are easily stopped by common special walls such as Blissey and Cresselia. Steel types are extremely common and are more than capable of coming in and resisting whatever Dragon type attacks that Latios has to throw at them. As I said in my first general counters to Latios in the support capability paragraph, there are many Pokemon who can simply pick Latios off after predicting its attack and switching in (Scizor, Tyranitar, Metagross, other Pursuit users with decent defenses). When it comes to Calm Minding sets, those are a bit tougher to stop. However, status attacks usually do them in (TWave and Toxic mainly) and they are in constant fear of STAB Bullet Punch from Scizor, Extremespeed from Lucario, Scarfed SE attacks, and Ice Shard, to name a few. On the physical side, Latios is mainly a weaker version of Salamence, who himself is easily handled. His wide range of counters (most already mentioned in my voting submission) almost all apply to Latios.

Finally the defensive characteristic could likely be compared to that Latias as I did for the support characteristic. Latias is much more bulky and she did not prove to be uber on the defensive side of things. Latios in no way would be able to outdo Latias in the defense department. Again, he is in constant fear of STAB priority attacks and Pursuit. There are many better options out there with which to take hits. Latios is in no way even close to being uber due to its defenses.

Since Latios clearly does not meet any of the characteristics of an uber Pokemon, it will likely not be voted uber. I’ve seen it in play, I’ve adapted to how it operates, I’ve tried it out for myself, and I’m not that impressed. Latios has more than his fair share of counters and is not able to, under normal battle conditions, sweep, wall and stall, or often allow another Pokemon to sweep with ease against a major chunk of the metagame with little effort.
 
Thank god for this post. I hope its not too late.

"So now what you're assuming is that the Latios player is playing perfectly, Draco Meteoring/Surfing everything appropriately and Tricking Blissey switch ins. But you can't be perfect. And so I'll say, "I send in Bliss everytime you attack and send in a Choice Pursuit user everytime you Trick".

This is a beautiful argument. Jibaku is amazing.

Stop the idiocy vote OU.
Its beyond our power now, many have their minds made up. I do hope this changes someones opinion.

EDIT: HOLY SHIT FiveKRunner!!! Is that your Paragragh for getting voting rights? Mine was a quarter the length of that. I guess quality counts.
 
Its beyond our power now, many have their minds made up. I do hope this changes someones opinion.

EDIT: HOLY SHIT FiveKRunner!!! Is that your Paragragh for getting voting rights? Mine was a quarter the length of that. I guess quality counts.

That was my paragraph for the 2nd question. My answer to the first question was about 1/3 that in length.

I'm not so sure about the quality sentiment. I'm going to go ahead and guess that there was some "special" criteria that may have been applied to me and no one else.
 
That was my paragraph for the 2nd question. My answer to the first question was about 1/3 that in length.

I'm not so sure about the quality sentiment. I'm going to go ahead and guess that there was some "special" criteria that may have been applied to me and no one else.
wow, btw, how long did you play?
 
wow, btw, how long did you play?

1) Characterize your involvement in the test. Did you play consistently throughout the month, or did you gain all your experience at the end of the test? Did you use the suspect avidly yourself or concentrate on observing it in battle?


For the most part, I played consistently throughout the suspect testing month. I usually got in at least 5 battles a day on various accounts with the exception of the third week when I had limited Internet access. Subjecting myself to the suspect ladder nearly every day for the duration of the test allowed me to see how Latios performed in the OU metagame. My constant testing enabled me to observe how his role evolved and the resulting adaptations of his counters.

I both used the suspect and observed it during the testing period. Early on and again towards the end, I used a Timid Choice Specs set. With about a week to go, I found myself using a mixed Life Orb Dragon Dancer and a Life Orb Calm Mind set (which seemed to be the most effective but I’ll save evaluating their effectiveness for question #2). In addition, I used probably 4 different teams through the month, featuring around 20 different Pokemon. Because of this, I was able to determine what worked, what didn’t, and what had to adapt to Latios’ presence.

I must commend the suspect testing staff on their ability to influence ladderers to use the suspect during the last two tests. Even for those who chose not to use the suspect, they were bound to see the suspect in at least every other battle, forcing them to adapt. With the stress put on testing every option that the suspect has available, I am confident that these two Pokemon won’t end up like Deoxys-E with us realizing they they should have uber status after months of usage have passed, when a new moveset springs to life.
 
Stop the idiocy vote OU.

Brilliant, now everyone that votes uber is an idiot. Oh no guys, change your votes.

Latios isn't all that comparable to Latias. Don't try that (it's a serious sign of inexperience with the two).

Um, the Blissey argument doesn't fly with me. Guess what stops Dialga; Blissey. Oh snap. Dialga for OU. Because one OU pokemon stops it, it is automatically kept in check. Kyogre for OU, everyone can carry Parasect. Point is, not everybody carries Blissey and being required to just to compete is bullshit. And without Pursuit, Latios can continuously come in and rip massive holes in your team.
 
Brilliant, now everyone that votes uber is an idiot. Oh no guys, change your votes.

Latios isn't all that comparable to Latias. Don't try that (it's a serious sign of inexperience with the two).

Um, the Blissey argument doesn't fly with me. Guess what stops Dialga; Blissey. Oh snap. Dialga for OU. Point is, not everybody carries Blissey and being required to just to compete is bullshit. And without Pursuit, Latios can continuously come in and rip massive holes in your team.

Exactly. Just because Quagsire can wall Kyogre doesnt mean that Kyogre should be UU.

Also, look at the Offensive requirement please:

Offensive Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame with little effort.

Well, its pretty much self explanatory. It doesnt say it needs to sweep EVERY thing, although a SIGNIFICANT PORTION which Latios does, also with LITTLE effort. Clicking Draco Meteor is little effort IMO...
 
I disagree. First of all Blissey doesn't stop Dialga-more like people opting for the special sets where it has a physical option readily available and more viable than any physical set Latios can have.

And who said "one"? Specs Draco Meteor, for one, isn't that threatening. Just look at Salamence. It has Draco Meteor, and 1.12x something more does't seem a whole lot really when it gets other moves Latios doesn't. Draco Meteor is a lot like Outrage-you're going to get revenge killed. What do you do to absorb their assaults? What about Salamence? His offensive options are wider, so essentially swapping in the wrong stuff can end you. Oh and let's not forget it gets Fire Blast, enough to compensate for its drop in Special Attack. Seriously Specs DM is overrated. TTar can swap in and Latios dies. Scizor can swap in and Latios dies. Metagross can swap in and Latios dies. All you need is a change in EVs. And don't tell me that makes Latios centralizing, because a lot of stuff can be forced to EV differently because of the stuff that's already in OU. Don't tell me pressing Draco Meteor takes no skill. It's like in ubers where people mindlessly spam Water Spouts on Kyogre.

And also, let's look at the statistics without Latios. In the top ten, we have Scizor, Tyranitar, and Metagross. All of them can carry Pursuit

| Scizor | Move | Pursuit | 45.7 |
That's a lot of Pursuits. Sure, the Latios suspect has 64.8% and Tyranitar has 20% more Pursuits in standard, but I don't consider that a big change. Also, more Tyranitars had Pursuit in the Latias suspect than the Latios (54% vs 50%).

Also none of you have given the argument as to why Latios is more dangerous than Salamence on the offensive side. Salamence 2HKOes the game much easier. Or perhaps Kingdra. Or Gengar.

Also when did Latios suddenly get the ability to continously come in and rip massive holes in a team? Jsut because it isn't SR weak and has nice resists? Well a lot of things can prevent it from continously switching in, and I'm pretty sure no player wants Latios to continually switch in.

The Quagsire argument is really bad. Quagsire is extremely rare in Ubers even with Project uber going on (which some people are posting ridiculous sets like Hitmontop and Blaziken. Seriously, people.), and therefore doesn't make an impact unlike Blissey.

Sigh I guess it doesn't matter now. I'm just left speechless.
 
This is absolutely appaling.

From all of the arguments that I've read, most people are trying to vote Latios onto ubers, while ignoring the fact that Latios is so much similar to Latias. If Latias' vote was a landslide OU, I thought that the majority of us felt that Latios was just a more powerful version of Latias, except it's even more frail when it came to the defensive side.

Let's see, while Latios is perfectly capable of taking down a pokemon, it's even more prone to revenge kills from pokemon such as Scizor, Tyranitar, and Mamoswine. The latter is especially a concern since Mamoswine's CB Ice Shard can now OHKO Latios with Stealth Rock damage, unlike Latias.

If people are trying to use Latios as a mixed sweeper, the speed advantage that Latios might boast could benefit some people, but most of the time it's outclassed by Salamence entirely. DDLatios is just entirely outclassed by Salamence due to Salamence's massive Attack power and access to a more powerful Outrage.

In short, the only things that Latios boast are the Specs set and the Memento set, which the latter might not even be that viable since, you need to sacrifice Latios in order to do it (I would actually use Latios for a better role mind you). The Specs set isn't all that powerful compare to Choice Specs Latias since Latios only boasts 40 more SpA points than his sister, which doesn't lead to anything significant at all; in fact, it still gets walled Bulky Steels and Special Walls. Salamence will outclass Latios entirely in mixed and DD sweeping sets, while the Dual Screen set is surpassed by Latias.

Also none of you have given the argument as to why Latios is more dangerous than Salamence on the offensive side. Salamence 2HKOes the game much easier. Or perhaps Kingdra. Or Gengar.
Don't forget that Salamence has a better ability to abuse in battle compared to Latios. While Latios is capable of Mixed Sweeping, I feel that Salamence just does it better with access to Fire Blast and a higher attack stat to boot.

This is the first time I'm saying this, but this whole "Latios" voting process seems to be even more ridiculous than the Skymin vote. I don't care if I have to get banned for this post, but I might as well man up and say it.

@FiveKRunner: A million internets for you sir. That paragraph is one of the most mindboggling thing that I have ever seen in my entire Pokemon Career. 10/10

Edit: I'm glad other people are on my side of view as well, especially Jibaku.
 
The problem is: every Pursuiter, even if invested heavily on Sdef and HP will get 2hkoed by Latios if they lose something like 10% of its health. And it's a guessing game, you can't be sure that Latios will stay... and if you guess wrongly you will lose your Pursuiter for the rest of the Battle...

Yeah, you can sacrifice something and bring your pursuiter but then
but then you be in great disadvantage: not only you have lost a pokemon, will have to guess what the adversary will do to not lose another, you will also give him a free turn locked in something liek Pursuit, MM or BP...

Not to mention the memento set which is the gayest thing ever because you will give him a free turn to set up since it's
unpredictable and it requires no skill AT ALL to use paired with Gliscor, Uxie at leat is predictable and you won't waste turns when you see it

And about Specs Mence thing: it don't have Trick and is weak to SR so it's not that big deal
 
And about Specs Mence thing: it don't have Trick and is weak to SR so it's not that big deal
Yes Specs Mence doesn't have Trick but Trick's quite a risky move to use anyways, especially since Latios might end up being killed immediately after using Trick in the process.

Latios isn't weak to SR, but it suffers from common moves like Pursuit and Scizor's bullet punch even more. (I forgot to add this in my other rant)
 
Wow, I actually agree with the decision of the Smogon voters for once/

And as someone who was absolutely outraged with what occurred with Skymin, I completely disagree with Misa and am completely applauding this vote, and arguing that these votes are far more valid than what occured under Skymin.

I'm not going to detail the arguments - LR pretty much covers anything I would say, in that we both agree that it is the Specs set which ultimately is the greatest argument for it being Uber, as well as the other shit it can pull. But the people who voted in the Latios poll had valid reasons and concerns, which was not something that we could say for the Skymin poll.

Also Veedrock pretty much sums up the Blissey thing: I hate using Blissey, as it allows way too many free turns as stuff like Luke and Gyarados can come in, set up as Bliss switches out, and run amok. Yet towards the end of the Suspect Test, I was carrying one, just to deal with Latios and nothing else. From my perspective, that was absolutely outrageous.
 
I'm not going to detail the arguments - LR pretty much covers anything I would say, in that we both agree that it is the Specs set which ultimately is the greatest argument for it being Uber, as well as the other shit it can pull. But the people who voted in the Latios poll had valid reasons and concerns, which was not something that we could say for the Skymin poll.
If you're saying that the specs set is mainly why Latios should be uber, that argument has been beaten down to the ground by Jibaku. Latias could also carry a Choice Specs, but unlike Latios, has more bulk to take hits unlike Latios.

It's not like a difference of 40 points made much of a difference anyways.
 
@Trick/Blissey/Specsmence-- let's keep in mind that not having SR weak does mean that Latios will have more opportunities to come in and out, and after a few times engaging in battle, the latios user's chances of guessing when blissey is coming in (and then tricking) will only increase. Also, +10 base speed makes a huge difference. Being revenge killed by infernape (who carries hp ice still in significance) and being a counter to infernape is a big difference.

@Pursuit-- as mentioned, yes anything with pursuit and heavy sp.def investment can revenge kill with relative ease, but these are generally CB scizor/ttar, who in turn get revenge killed with ease as a locked pursuit is even easier to set up on than an on-going outrage or a -2 draco meteor.

So it's going like this:

-latios comes in, kills (1 kill v 0 kills)
-TTar comes in, pursuits Latios (1 kill v. 1 kill)
-Scizor comes in, U-Turns TTar (2 kills v. 1 kill)

In any case, I think it's without a doubt true that Specs Latios is a big jump up from Specs Salamence (which imo is still a fantastic set). Jibaku seems to want to ignore it, but the +20 base attack and +10 base speed alone is not something to laugh at.
 
If you're saying that the specs set is mainly why Latios should be uber, that argument has been beaten down to the ground by Jibaku. Latias could also carry a Choice Specs, but unlike Latios, has more bulk to take hits unlike Latios.

It's not like a difference of 40 points made much of a difference anyways.
The extra 20 Sp. Atk. really does make a difference, contrary to what one would expect, as it makes killing Scizor and Tar sooo much easier.
As for why CB Mence is not a valid argument: to put it quite simply, SR. Choice Pokemon, for better or for worse, are Pokemon that come in, make a massive hit or two, and then switch out - and then come back out and do it, again and again. Salamence really cannot do that losing 25% of its health every time it switches out. The 10 extra base speed for Latios is just an additional bonus, letting one outspeed the 100s easily, which Salamence cannot do reliably
 
Any argument or attempt at comparing Latios to Latias should be ignored. They're as far apart as Dragonite and Salamence, and that is not an exaggeration. I don't mind if you debate it's tier status (though it's already set), but saying "it's OU because Latias is OU" is 100% complete utter bologna.
 
I disagree. First of all Blissey doesn't stop Dialga-more like people opting for the special sets where it has a physical option readily available and more viable than any physical set Latios can have.

And who said "one"? Specs Draco Meteor, for one, isn't that threatening. Just look at Salamence. It has Draco Meteor, and 1.12x something more does't seem a whole lot really when it gets other moves Latios doesn't. Draco Meteor is a lot like Outrage-you're going to get revenge killed. What do you do to absorb their assaults? What about Salamence? His offensive options are wider, so essentially swapping in the wrong stuff can end you. Oh and let's not forget it gets Fire Blast, enough to compensate for its drop in Special Attack. Seriously Specs DM is overrated. TTar can swap in and Latios dies. Scizor can swap in and Latios dies. Metagross can swap in and Latios dies. All you need is a change in EVs. And don't tell me that makes Latios centralizing, because a lot of stuff can be forced to EV differently because of the stuff that's already in OU. Don't tell me pressing Draco Meteor takes no skill. It's like in ubers where people mindlessly spam Water Spouts on Kyogre.

And also, let's look at the statistics without Latios. In the top ten, we have Scizor, Tyranitar, and Metagross. All of them can carry Pursuit

| Scizor | Move | Pursuit | 45.7 |
That's a lot of Pursuits. Sure, the Latios suspect has 64.8% and Tyranitar has 20% more Pursuits in standard, but I don't consider that a big change. Also, more Tyranitars had Pursuit in the Latias suspect than the Latios (54% vs 50%).

Also none of you have given the argument as to why Latios is more dangerous than Salamence on the offensive side. Salamence 2HKOes the game much easier. Or perhaps Kingdra. Or Gengar.

Also when did Latios suddenly get the ability to continously come in and rip massive holes in a team? Jsut because it isn't SR weak and has nice resists? Well a lot of things can prevent it from continously switching in, and I'm pretty sure no player wants Latios to continually switch in.

The Quagsire argument is really bad. Quagsire is extremely rare in Ubers even with Project uber going on (which some people are posting ridiculous sets like Hitmontop and Blaziken. Seriously, people.), and therefore doesn't make an impact unlike Blissey.

Sigh I guess it doesn't matter now. I'm just left speechless.

jibaku, how about instead of bitching after the fact, you actually participate in the suspect test process next time? unless you were on a different ip with some alt that performed terribly anyway, you didn't play one single battle on the suspect test ladder. not one. why should anybody listen to you?

and even then, you had every right to apply for special permission to me weeks ago, as i encouraged, instead of sounding off here and now when it could not matter less what you or anyone one else has to say about a suspect's tiering.

which brings me to this:

Do not question the tiering of any Suspect that has gone through Stages 1 and 2 of the Suspect Test process. Besides the fact that all Suspects will be retested in Stage 3, weeks and weeks go into a respective Suspect's actual testing, and this grants those who qualify the fair right to vote on the Suspect. To think that your complaints are going to or should have any actual sway after this process is somewhat insulting to the community at large.

seriously? i have to quote a rule i added to the stark mountain rules months and months ago? to a member not only of your evident "status", but one who is literally a moderator of the very forum of whose rules he is apparently in such blatant ignorance?
 
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