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I have the almost exact average rating (if that's what you're using and not CRE) of 1775.5, but my deviation appears to be 46.5. Does my deviation have to be lower than 45 or higher? Sorry, this might seem like a pretty stupid question to ask, but I figured I'd ask now rather than later.

I'm doing this with a UU HO team I was trying out, too, so offense isn't that bad right now. I really don't know what you mean.
 
upper reqs is an easy task to do the first time around, but difficult to sustain it. i'm currently under two files that are in upper reqs, but one is slipping so i need to keep that one high 1775. though i have to agree that they should lower to the rating to 1750 or something, but that's just me.
 
I think that the upper reqs are pretty perfect as they are now. As of now i have uppers solidly on my bad ass account, and had them about all the way on my account that i dick around with but lost them using a sandstorm team. that's beside the point, though. The deviation wasn't hard to get if you just play like aldaron said. Having what is virtually a free pass to vote on all of the suspects is a pretty big thing, so it shouldn't be open to just anyone! Either work hard and take the big payoff, or just make lower reqs and write paragraphs.
 
I planned on getting the upper rec requirements, but my internet connection is horrible and I can barely play matches as it is, so there's absolutely no way I can do that. I might not even get to vote this round.

Just make sure you guys vote Froslass and Raikou BL and I'll be happy.
 
I planned on getting the upper rec requirements, but my internet connection is horrible and I can barely play matches as it is, so there's absolutely no way I can do that. I might not even get to vote this round.

Just make sure you guys vote Froslass and Raikou BL and I'll be happy.

moltres must go first...
 
my opinion fwiw (woo teifu for making me learn this acronym) is basically the same as aldaron's. upper reqs are supposed to be limited to the subset of players that are both very good and play a lot, not just players who are very good. based on how much I played in each UU metagame + my resulting rating/deviation, it seems like 1800/40 is a good fit.

it translates to a minimum of 1640 CRE for reference which essentially satisfies the good player requirement (to the extent that ratings can do that anyways). also, something I found in a few tests when I had multiple alts was that I would play somewhat recklessly on the majority of my alts but extremely carefully on ones that had higher ratings. it seems like the latter kind of laddering is quite popular among people with ~1900 rating accounts around the 50 or 60 deviation mark. while I don't see anything "wrong" with it from an idealistic standpoint, I wouldn't expect to qualify for the upper requirements with that kind of playstyle. on the other hand, when I queue somewhat recklessly (as in prioritizing quantity of games at the risk of possibly losing games due to [a] hax bad team matchups [c] playing lots of good players), reaching upper reqs is a lot easier relatively speaking -- I got it with around a deviation of ~37 in two days, not taking into account preserving it. maybe to make the upper requirements you have to make some sacrifices in your rating -- 1900/45 may not be very feasible unless you get "lucky" with hax and team matchups over the long period of time, but if your goal isn't to maximize rating at all costs then it's not that hard.

metagross66, your average rating must > 1775 and your deviation must < 45.
 
Um, Dugtrio's not the only way to beat Chansey. If I pack anything with a Choice Band, there's a 90% chance you're going to get the rest of your team severely weakened or killed just to make sure it stays alive in hopes you can counter Raikou. The match is probably going to be over before I even bring it out (yes, that's happened a few times before and it was friggin' hilarious).

If I have Shuca Berry, Chansey is the only damn Raikou counter in UU. If it has to die for any reason, you have no Raikou counters. I don't know of any other UUs with such extremely limited and circumstantial checks that you have to run one or two Pokemon one very team just to beat it. Dugtrio and Chansey are everywhere in UU because of that beast. There is nothing balanced about Raikou at all.
 
Raikou isn't that much of a problem, if it's giving you that much trouble just bring along shed shell Chansey

Which isn't pretty bad. Chansey needs that recovery, or else she'll be prone to some Special Attack 2HKO's with entry hazards.

Here are my opinions:
Froslass: BL
Raikou - BL for sure
Moltres - UU. It's not fair that it gets BL treatment because of Froslass tossing spikes left and right.
Dugtrio - Umm... It's a tough call but I'm leaning towards BL. I can see it being less annoying without Raikou.
 
SD Tentacruel appeals to me far more than a spinning set. The fourth moveslot can be used to make it a mixed wallbreaker or a hybrid spinner.


Tentacruel @ Life Orb
Clear Body
Lonely
252 ATK / 80 SpA / 176 Spe (EVs need to be changed for UU)
~ Swords Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Poison Jab
~ Rapid Spin/ Hydro Pump

Calcs:
(at +2)

Poison jab vs 252/252 bold Milotic: 52.7% - 62.1%
Poison jab vs 252/252 calm Venusaur: 79.1% - 93.4%
Poison jab vs 252/228 impish Tangrowth: 77.2% - 91.1%
Hydro pump (+0) vs 252/252 sassy Seelix: 81.4% - 96.6%
Waterfall vs Curse Tomb: 67.1% - 79.3%
Waterfall vs standard Registeel: 47.8% - 56.3%
Waterfall vs 252/252 calm chansey: 83.8% - 98.8%
 
Assuming that there will be suspects. I think that voting paragraphs should be made public. I'm curious to know what people with higher requirements know more/ better about this metagame than anyone else. I'm not saying that I am just as good or better then them, nor am I attempting to slander them in anyway. As of now, I simply think that it would be beneficial in multiple ways to multiple people to see the reasoning and thought processes behind paragraphs as well as the people who wrote them.
 
Isn't the whole point of upper reqs that there is no paragraphs for people who reach them (at least not huge ones)?
 
Voting paragraphs HAVE been made public before. They were publicized in the Stage 2 Latios Suspect test, and some were publicized in the Honchkrow/Gallade metagame.
 
I was unaware of the Stage 2 Latios test but I know that the Honchkrow/ Gallade meta the ones who posted were the players, ones that were accepted, and (irrc) were votes to kick the suspects out.

I want to be able see the all of the paragraphs the accepted/ rejected and the for/ against.
 
SD Tentacruel appeals to me far more than a spinning set. The fourth moveslot can be used to make it a mixed wallbreaker or a hybrid spinner.


Tentacruel @ Life Orb
Clear Body
Lonely
252 ATK / 80 SpA / 176 Spe (EVs need to be changed for UU)
~ Swords Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Poison Jab
~ Rapid Spin/ Hydro Pump

Calcs:
(at +2)

Poison jab vs 252/252 bold Milotic: 52.7% - 62.1%
Poison jab vs 252/252 calm Venusaur: 79.1% - 93.4%
Poison jab vs 252/228 impish Tangrowth: 77.2% - 91.1%
Hydro pump (+0) vs 252/252 sassy Seelix: 81.4% - 96.6%
Waterfall vs Curse Tomb: 67.1% - 79.3%
Waterfall vs standard Registeel: 47.8% - 56.3%
Waterfall vs 252/252 calm chansey: 83.8% - 98.8%
Agreed. Although the wall/tspiker is useful, it is substantially less so due to all the poisons around UU. SD is the set that I will be using if Tentacruel drops. I probably won't even meet voting reqs this round due to me being obsessive with programming this time around, but eh.
 
When are the tiers updated? I was looking forward to seeing the OU rejects and UU rejects. And the NU graduates and possibly the UU graduates, although there are almost never any Pokemon who move from UU to OU. There are occasionally, but not very often.
 
If I have Shuca Berry, Chansey is the only damn Raikou counter in UU. If it has to die for any reason, you have no Raikou counters. I don't know of any other UUs with such extremely limited and circumstantial checks that you have to run one or two Pokemon one very team just to beat it. Dugtrio and Chansey are everywhere in UU because of that beast. There is nothing balanced about Raikou at all.

Yay, I'm not the only one running ShucaKou!! I mean seriously, the number of times people have gone "LOL Goodbye Mr Raikou" when they switch in Dugtrio as I CM and gets their Duggy completely assraped because Raikou has Shuca is absurd. Although, I'm still on the fence with Raikou, because he hasn't been extremely overwhelming (At least not overwhelming enough) when I play using him, or play against it. When I play HO, Raikou hasn't swept nearly as much as say, Torterra or Moltres, and when I play my Semi-Stall team (The Ragequit one), it has been played around most of the time anyway.
 
Speaking about Tentacruel,If it dropped I can see that Tangrowth will rising in popularity.The two perform a nice core (Mojonbo handle physical,Tenta handle Special) and have nice synergy.They also checks rain teams well.
Oh and speaking about Raikou,I can see that Umbreon is a pretty "decent" check,with it's great special bulk it can't even OHKOed by +2 T-bolt and Payback will 2HKO after LO damage (assuming standard curse set)
 
Okay. Thanks Dragon Boy. I managed to meet the reqs. ;)

Raikou is really difficult to counter when using an offensive team. I've resorted to Dugtrio on mine, but even then, it seems I would have problems with shucakou. I haven't seen one yet, though.

Tentacruel would be fun to use. I really see some potential in the SD set. :)
 
GBA said:
I was unaware of the Stage 2 Latios test but I know that the Honchkrow/ Gallade meta the ones who posted were the players, ones that were accepted, and (irrc) were votes to kick the suspects out.

I want to be able see the all of the paragraphs the accepted/ rejected and the for/ against.

There were a couple that were posted for voting Raikou and Froslass UU IIRC. I distinctly remember Lemmiwinks's Raikou paragraph.

It would be really hard to justify publicizing rejected paragraphs, especially without the writer's consent. I think 5KR was the only user for which rejection reasons were given, but that was mainly because he was lying about using Latios often and pretending that he was as qualified as the other people who voted.
 
Now Shuca Berry Raikou, that's a set with something to argue about. SubCM has been voted UU twice, LO dies way too easily. But Shuca Kou. That's an excellent idea.
 
Yeah, I've used ShucaKou for a bit now, and it's pretty good. Being able to run past Dugtrio is great. The only problem is that without Life Orb, the damage output can get disappointing at times. Probably the thing holding me back from voting it BL at the moment.
 
No way guys. ShucaKou my fire burned arse. LO Raikou is still extremely strong, and ignoring it is just ridiculous. It's power is extremely mean, it deals like 30% on the Registeel switch in and just plain ole hurts.
Its 1+ LO T-bolts hurt like a maniac, OHKO a good amount of the the tier on site.
Sure you stop Duggy but come on. He's not on like every team. (He really isn't)
 
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