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NP: UU - Silent Night

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anti404 said:
Kabutops and Torterra is a pretty potent offensive pair; I personally use Azumarill with Torterra, but both have their advantages.
on a similar note, Sub Punchers are pretty awesome; I've been putting Poliwrath or Azumarill, depending mostly upon my team's weakness to Moltres, on every team I have. I pair mine with LO Manectric and they break through a lot of annoying cores(e.g. Registeel, Milotic, Slowbro, Tangrowth, etc.)
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I've been wanting to try out SubPunch Hariyama myself, but I keep putting it off because I'm terrible at building teams.
 
SJCrew said:
Do all of you guys just not ladder when I'm on or are you the ones using all of the terrible gimmicks I keep facing? I'm not seeing what we've actually gained in banning Raikou and Froslass when so few players actually bother to build cohesive teams these days that the metagame really isn't competitive anymore. I'd rather have infinite Spikes and an offense-killer running around if it pressures players enough to actually put some thought into the teambuilding process so that when I click "find match", the first thing I don't see is a random, horrible NU followed by more random, horrible NUs. If I didn't look at the usernames, I'd swear almost everyone I faced was the same.

in other news i used raticate the other day i mean swellow is obviously better but who cares its nu!!!
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I have actually seen very very few nu gimmick teams once I got off the very bottom of the ladder.

The teams I seem to face MAY have one nu, weird sweeper poke and that is it. or they have one poke that gets mentioned in this thread (like scyther) that is overrated jjust because of this thread.

Seriously, most of the teams I face are lead monkey/uxie/spikers/weather/mespirit, milotic, venusaur, mismagious, and insert weird NU like urasing/tauros/raichu/ect.
 
most of the NU things I've seen aren't like Armaldo or Clamperl, but rather useful sweepers in their own right, such as Kangaskhan, Tauros, Sharpedo, Manectric, Magmortar, Primeape etc.; basically, all are good sweepers who don't have better versions of themselves already in the tier.
on a related note, Choice Scarf Primeape is something I've seen a lot of recently.
 
Mesprit has decided to become one of the most annoying fuckers in the world to me since it now carries Lum Berry for Venusaur, making it a great counter to a ton of teams (like mine -.-). The set I have been seeing is:

Mesprit - Lum Berry
Modest
252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
- Psychic
- Grass Knot
- Thunder Wave
- Ice Beam/Thunderbolt/Stealth Rock/U-Turn

damn mesprit -.-, not even lo missy stopped him with shadow ball.
 
archp said:
what is a good check for CB scyther??
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Get SR up and then bring out the big guns. Force them to decide between spinning and stopping you from setting up. Something like Moltres that scares Hitmontop and Donphan works well, too. I haven't seen Blastoise much at all this round. You can try luring Scyther with Uxie when it thinks you are setting up SR. Usually they want to come in as you set up SR, then force you to go to Rhyperior / Arcanine to take U-turn, so their Donphan can come in and spin. Slap 'em with a T-wave instead. Problem solved. Also, if you can get a feel for just how double-switch happy they are, you can just spam an attack next time you have a logical switch to Uxie. They're probably going to try and catch you with a super-clever double switch, so make them pay for it.

Also, whats up with people telling me that I'm playing wrong when I beat them? I've noticed an alarming amount of this behavior this period. The best I can figure is it stems from arrogance. Apparently people think they're so good that even when they make the wrong prediction, they still think they've made the right prediction and that it was the opponent who did something wrong. On the same token, they think the only thing that can cause them to lose is not that they did something wrong, but rather that the opponent did something wrong (though I notice that the same people will sooner admit that they messed up than that the opponent was playing well). I have a few things to say to these people:

- Everybody gets outplayed sometimes. Get over yourself.
- I am not a freaking bot. If I think you're trying to predict me, I might act unpredictable.
- For the love of God, consider whether your opponent might be willing to sack what he has out before you try to do a double switch. I cannot believe how many times I get a free kill with a pokemon I had given up on, because the opponent assumed I would switch. Then I get berated for it.

Seriously, if you're one of the people who does this, learn some damn sportsmanship. I know it's hard, and it feels like a slap in the face when you make the wrong move or get out-predicted, but just take a deep breath and say "okay, someone played a better game of pokemon than me". That's all it fucking means. There's no sense trying to prove/justify that you're still the best most ultimate pokemon master by saying something stupid, and there's definitely no sense in telling someone that a move that worked out very well for them was the wrong move.
 
Lol @ Scoopapa. I've actually only found one person like that and they like to troll too. ~.~ I've been known to get a little rage also, but I can admit when I've been beaten. Most times when I rage is because of hax...which I have been getting a lot lately -.- (against me)

And I've noticed the skill on ladder is significantly worse than that of last round or any other round for that matter. I'm seeing so many gimmicks that it's getting extremely annoying. And the worst part about that is they're often pretty bad ones. =/ FYI if you're going to use something new or whatever, please, please, PLEASE make sure it actually works.

Just so this contributes: Scyther is not a bad pokemon and he's definately not overrated. It's just the people using it who are just idiots. It's a very good pokemon and he carries more than just U-turn! Wake up people! Moving on....Alakazam is quite good this metagame. Once that annoying ass spiritomb is gone, he sweeps so many teams. I've been using a Sub +3 attacks set to really decent success for anyone who cares.
 
Sub Alakazam is great, especially since a lot of player's teams only check to it is Sucker Punch or Spiritomb. I wish CM was more viable, with his massive SpA and all, but Substitute is practically necessary to dodge status, Pursuit, and Sucker Punch, in my opinion, and the loss in coverage really hurts.

Lead Guts Hariyama is also still awesome, hitting most common leads for Super Effective offa massive Atk stat. He's very useful midgame as well if he faces a lead he can survive against, acting as a check to the likes of Registeel (especially if using a status orb, since you can switch into T-waves or Toxics with ease), and a lure for bulky -Psychics like Uxie (which get met with a powerful Payback).
 
subzam is THE set IMO. Just have to bring it out later game when its counters are kinda weakened/gone. Stomb and the like can't hide all game as they check a lot of stuff.

cm zam sucks... yes +1 is powerful as heck but its too easy to kill. If you are gonna run CM, you need encore IMO
 
=/ FYI if you're going to use something new or whatever, please, please, PLEASE make sure it actually works.
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Well before you know that it works, you need to test it a few times just to make sure that it's not horrible. So yeah, you just might be unlucky (Or lucky) enough to catch someone testing out a new set. I remember when I was testing my Sub-Wave Dunsparce against Smurf and failed epicly. You don't see me using it again, though.
 
shrang said:
Well before you know that it works, you need to test it a few times just to make sure that it's not horrible. So yeah, you just might be unlucky (Or lucky) enough to catch someone testing out a new set. I remember when I was testing my Sub-Wave Dunsparce against Smurf and failed epicly. You don't see me using it again, though.
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And that's mostly what I meant, but at 3am I wasn't thinking straight. =) So, if it doesn't work consistently because God knows you may get lucky once, stop using it!
 
for those supporting sub zam, are you using LO? is the sub and recoil too much or is it negligible to the killing power
 
I've been using Wise Glasses on Zam instead of Life Orb because of the recoil, I don't think you miss out on many (if any) 2/OHKOs using it...although I'm probably wrong. Would be awesome if Zam got Pain Split!
 
He gets Recover, which is probably a 10x better move if weren't for Kazam's shitty defenses.
 
shrang said:
He gets Recover, which is probably a 10x better move if weren't for Kazam's shitty defenses.
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Pain Split works very well for stuff like Gengar and Rotom (other frail, powerful things like Zam) because it weakens the enemy while healing you, often putting them into range for a KO. Otherwise, though, it's certainly just about being able to Sub a few more times, not about trying to tank hits. I suppose it may work better on Rotom and Gengar than potentially on Zam because they at least have some resistances.

Okay, maybe Rotom doesn't fall into the "powerful" category, but the LO set with Sub / Pain Split / T-bolt / Shadow Ball is pretty sweet and functions a lot like Gengar.

Edit: I'm talking about Gengar in OU, and Rotom in UU.
 
Gengar and Rotom have immunities, and there are things in OU they can setup on that either don't exist in UU or that can actually hit it (Blissey, Gliscor and stuff).
 
Is it just me or does this round feel much easier to ladder in? I think there are so much gimmicks it is easy to win with a serious team or maybe it's because I am a better player than last round.
 
It's just a more relaxed metagame. I hardly ever use my main team anymore, instead using teams that are more non-standard but frankly inferior as well. Balanced metagames are going to be less competitive simply by virtue of there not being as much incentive to get reqs, and with that comes greater emphasis on fun.
 
What FB said. When there is nothing to fight for or work up too... people are going to take more chances with their team instead of just throwing the top 6 pokes on their. Like me for instance, instead of the challenge of just getting to the top of the ladder (never happened/never will just not that good o fa player), my challenge is to try to make the leader with a team that is focused on "insert non-standard threat." Just a different, fun challenge instead.

But one thing people should be careful of... you might want those voting rights if venu/moltres/milotic/any other poke DUE end up getting nominated and the only people who actually have rights are the people who want them gone. You might want those rights to keep them around.

Just a thought.
 
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