Because determining a player's ceiling isn't an exact science. It's an educated guess on what a player could become based on his (for pitchers anyway, since that's what we're talking about here) stuff, delivery, command, control, pitch sequencing, approach RELATIVE TO AGE AND EXPERIENCE LEVEL. It honestly seems like you didn't read my post. Young players (25 isn't young for someone who hasn't figured anything out) who don't show a certain skill or lack polish can be excused because they haven't had time to hone their skills, but that no longer applies for a 25 year old like Stewart. Your suggestion implies that everyone has super star ceiling, which isn't true, because that's not what ceiling is. It's a guess based on skill set and it's an assumption if players improve on their flaws. That's why looking at ceiling only is foolish because that's not what happens. Not only that, but since it's a guess, you don't know if players even have it in them to improve, and Stewart has shown zero improvement over the years. He's been with three organizations now and has gotten to work with a world class pitching coach in Don Cooper. It has nothing to do with declining (and again, pitchers peak early. Besides, Stewart was sitting in the low 90's when he was younger, and now he's upper 80's), it is a matter of progression and your polish based on how old you are. Ceiling DOES regress. It's not just based on characteristics. To be perfectly honest you just don't know what you're talking about here. You don't know what ceiling refers to, and you don't know the basic progression trends of prospects. And don't take that personally. I'm really not trying to demean you as a human being.
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Official MLB 2012 Season Thread
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Because determining a player's ceiling isn't an exact science. It's an educated guess on what a player could become based on his (for pitchers anyway, since that's what we're talking about here) stuff, delivery, command, control, pitch sequencing, approach RELATIVE TO AGE AND EXPERIENCE LEVEL. It honestly seems like you didn't read my post. Young players (25 isn't young for someone who hasn't figured anything out) who don't show a certain skill or lack polish can be excused because they haven't had time to hone their skills, but that no longer applies for a 25 year old like Stewart. Your suggestion implies that everyone has super star ceiling, which isn't true, because that's not what ceiling is. It's a guess based on skill set and it's an assumption if players improve on their flaws. That's why looking at ceiling only is foolish because that's not what happens. Not only that, but since it's a guess, you don't know if players even have it in them to improve, and Stewart has shown zero improvement over the years. He's been with three organizations now and has gotten to work with a world class pitching coach in Don Cooper. It has nothing to do with declining (and again, pitchers peak early. Besides, Stewart was sitting in the low 90's when he was younger, and now he's upper 80's), it is a matter of progression and your polish based on how old you are. Ceiling DOES regress. It's not just based on characteristics. To be perfectly honest you just don't know what you're talking about here. You don't know what ceiling refers to, and you don't know the basic progression trends of prospects. And don't take that personally. I'm really not trying to demean you as a human being.
I disagree with what you've implied from my messages, but I'll leave it at that. I do understand age/level, and I do disagree with your statements made toward my knowledge, as I feel you've been reading into my posts the way that goes against what I've been saying (the "implications" you've made have been pretty far off)
I can't see certain aspects the way you do, so that's that.
I can't see certain aspects the way you do, so that's that.
New worst call of the year.
Giancarlo Stanton out with knee injury, no new Marlins rep to replace him for the ASG. Harper replaces him, McCutchen for the Derby.
Giancarlo Stanton out with knee injury, no new Marlins rep to replace him for the ASG. Harper replaces him, McCutchen for the Derby.
Greinkie needed a touchdown dance to go with that spike.
Only thing that would have made that better would have been if the Hawk was calling the game...
Only thing that would have made that better would have been if the Hawk was calling the game...
They really need to stop letting umpires be dicks who get off on throwing people out. It was pretty clear that Greinkie was mad that he was off to a shit start. The play wasn't really close enough for him to be mad at the call. He knew he got beat. He should have just given Greinkie a warning and MLB should have fined him maybe suspended him for a game (not a start) or something. Throwing a starting pitcher out of a game in the first inning is basically handing the other team the game. Throwing out a manager isn't such a big deal since there are so many coaches who can fill in. But throwing out a starting pitcher is nuts.
Who are you guys picking for the Home Run Derby? I'm going Prince Fielder...
I'm going with the dark horse McCutchen. I think he can consistently hit HRs if that's what he puts his focus to.
Side note, Pirates and Yankees both in first place at the All-Star break?! Woo!
I like McCutchen as well. His contact combined with bp pitches and the special balls they use for the derby should come together for some splashy numbers. I also think he'll have the endurance to finish.
EDIT: Boy was I wrong. In my defense I blame his poor showing entirely on his choice to go out there with no hat/helmet.
EDIT: Boy was I wrong. In my defense I blame his poor showing entirely on his choice to go out there with no hat/helmet.
Really went out on a limb there. ^
In all seriousness, Trumbo hit some straight up bombs. Dude put on a show.
And could KC fans be classless? Booing a non-division rival and cheering him for not hitting a home-run just because you're butthurt your one representative at the game didn't get picked? GJ, bros.
In all seriousness, Trumbo hit some straight up bombs. Dude put on a show.
And could KC fans be classless? Booing a non-division rival and cheering him for not hitting a home-run just because you're butthurt your one representative at the game didn't get picked? GJ, bros.
Who would have thought Verlander of all people is gonna cost my Rangers home field yet again, after CJ did it last year......
This game sucks so bad, I'd be embarrassed to be a Royals fan. Utterly embarrassed.
I just read this article, and I have lost all respect for Justin Verlander. This makes Pete Rose look like Roberto Clemente. Verlander should be banned from baseball for life for throwing games and for being a stupid fuck.
I'm sorry, but in my opinion this is such a moronic stance and statement to make. He did not throw a game, he pitched the way he thought all of the fans wanted him to. This is strictly a result of Bud Selig's incessant desire to tie some sort of meaning to an exhibition game. If you want the game to mean anything, then all teams should not be represented and there should not be a concerted effort to get as many people there into the game as possible. If the game should mean something, then you should not permit a retired manager to come and manage a squad. To liken this to betting on games is sickening and idiocy at its finest.