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Official NBA 2010-11 Season Thread

That "goaltend" is never called, especially in the closing minutes of close games. It was falling off the rim so they let it go.

The reffing in this game pretty much balanced out, Lakers fans are just focusing on the last minute of the game (remember that blatantly incorrect out of bounds call that lead to a Derek Fisher 3 pointer? That call wasn't even open to interpretation, it was just completely miscalled)

What makes this win especially impressive was Lebron and Wade combining for a relatively pedestrian 39 points. Not only do they not win big games, they also rarely win without huge production out of one or both of those guys (Bosh's big game obviously helped)
 
The only disappointing thing that comes from this is some people may start to think the Heat aren't as bad as they thought they are.
 
Phizzlax said:
That "goaltend" is never called, especially in the closing minutes of close games. It was falling off the rim so they let it go.

The reffing in this game pretty much balanced out, Lakers fans are just focusing on the last minute of the game (remember that blatantly incorrect out of bounds call that lead to a Derek Fisher 3 pointer? That call wasn't even open to interpretation, it was just completely miscalled)

What makes this win especially impressive was Lebron and Wade combining for a relatively pedestrian 39 points. Not only do they not win big games, they also rarely win without huge production out of one or both of those guys (Bosh's big game obviously helped)
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You're right, but thats why I said I wouldnt blame the refs for this one.... Im just pointing out the number of missed calls they had at the end, including Artest's lay up which was still on the rim even if it was gonna roll off anyway. Realistically the only thing that killed LA this game was first half rebounding and Gasol getting destroyed last night. Bynum only had 1 rebound in the first half and Gasol collectively probably had 40 points at least dropped on him between Bosh and others coming into the lane
 
It being on the rim doesn't mean it was a goaltend. It just has to at least bounce and have no chance of going in. There's no way you can tell that when they didn't zoom that far in it.

NBA.com said:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.
b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.
c. For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.
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It was still blatantly on the rim though.... It was probably going to roll off anyway, but theres no way to judge when it was literally still left on the rim and couldve rolled in... There was literally any amount of calls they could've made in that last minute. Kobes 3 that they never showed a replay on if there was a foul or not, the goaltend, Lebron throwing a forearm after setting a pick on Kobe to toss him the other way, and Wade literally grabbing arm to stop Kobe from getting an easy lay up.
 
fmsyeah, the Heat are not bad, they are just humorously worse than they probably would have been with either lebron+wade or wade+bosh alone, and worse than the Bulls, Celtics, Spurs, Lakers, Mavericks who have each: 1 star 2 semi-stars, 4 semi-stars?, 1 star 2 semi-stars and an incredible depth, 1 star 1 semi-star and a great #3, and 1 star and no other real stars at this point unless you count Chandler's season as star level...so basically 2 stars and 1 semi-star <1 star and more semi-stars...

(I am counting "star" more like superstar, and if you are a team's clear #2, you are really probably not good enough to be that level anyway, even though Gasol/Bosh/Boozer/Ginobili this season/et cetera are all very high level players).

Also I love that this has so far been "proven", I hope the Heat never win a title (even better, never be #2 either) just for what it would prove about team construction.

(Worry not Lakers fans, I am including the Lakers as better against the other 28 teams, not necessarily the Heat...)
 
Off topic - I am really starting to think the Pistons's run in the middle of the last decade was a complete and utter fluke, and that Joe Dumars is actually a terrible GM, just like most former players who enter the front office.

Think about how that team was built:

Ben Wallace, undrafted guy with no offense, all of a sudden he's a top 3-5 defensive C of all time
Getting Sheed when he was damaged goods
Getting Chauncey when he looked like a complete bust of a player
Tayshaun with #23 in the draft
Trading Rip for Stackhouse because the Wizards happened to have Michael Jordan as player-GM at the time.

The more I think about it, especially in light of his recent performance, the more it seems that his amazing run in the middle part of the decade was a matter of lucking into 4 vets playing WELL under their potential, and then getting a quality coach to win a title with.

Let's face it, Dumars has arguably been the worst GM in basketball starting from 2008 (the Billups trade was terribad), and had they kept the core together they could have made at least one more ECF before the decline. Instead, he starts trying to blow it up...and then decides to overpay Gordon and Charlie V, extend Rip, hire horrendous coaches, and so forth.

He sucks at drafting too; I won't fault him for Darko, as Darko was projected to be a franchise big by EVERYONE, but Daye sucks, Stuckey is mediocre (inefficient scoring PG 4 years in, who puts up 5 APG/36), and Monroe is unknown.

I kinda feel it's just being the team being loyal to Dumars for what he did in the Bad Boys days, but like most player-GMs, he sucks.
 
You have to realize that with the Pistons in the middle of trading ownership, Dumars can't do much. And also with the new CBA around the corner. We have no idea if there will be a hard cap or how much it will be lowered or raised. He's pretty much stuck with what he's got through this season. I"m not giving him a pass on signing a billion wings and no real PG or Big, but right now the team is in limbo.

On a related note, Ryan Russillo stated on the ESPN Radio NBA Today Podcast that he thought Dumars was the best GM of the decade. Recently he has questioned whether that still stands since it blew up in Detroit.

I personally think former Portland Trailblazers GM Kevin Pritchard is best GM of the decade. Even with all the horrible injuries and bad luck that has plagued the Blazers of late, they still got a rising franchise player out of it. I mean how good would that team be if Oden, Camby, Roy, etc were all healthy?! You gotta give him credit for keeping that team afloat despite all the poor luck.
 
fmsYEAH said:
Considering they're suppose to be competing for a championship, they honestly are bad. It's not just bad balance in the roster; it's bad coaching too. Spoelstra just isn't ready to coach a championship level team.
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I think you're confusing "bad" with "underachieving" or "not living up to the hype". They are not the same thing and a team with a very high ceiling that is beating most of the teams they're supposed to beat and still evolving is definitely a "good" team.

Also IMO Austin Daye is a decent player :)

Everything else the Pistons have done in the last 2-3 years has been horrible, though. Rip declining the trade to Cleveland was just a ridiculous WTF moment, at least Detroit tried to do something.

All of the Trailblazers facilities were built on the same grounds where mystics made sacrifices to the knee gods.
 
fmsyeah is not confused, he is just arguing really bad semantics that I already dealt with...they are not bad, except compared to how good they decided they should be together (i.e. instant dynasty), or some sort of perceptions other people agreed to adopt. Technically they are bad with that specification tacked on, I guess, but it is a really frivolous idea to bring up.
 
The Heat said they're ready to win multiple championships, so I'm judging their team based on them being championship contenders.

I'm not mistaking "bad" with "underachieving" either Phizzlax; the team is legit bad (for a contender!). If bad is too strong a word, then highly unbalanced. Spoelstra hasn't shown that he's capable of coaching this team to a championship...yet. This could change with time, but how long are the Heat willing to wait for him?

Besides, what was the point of signing Wade, Lebron, and Bosh together if the best you can manage is just "good team if we're not talking about contenders"? This is a bad team. Most of the league is too, but at least most of them aren't having delusions of being a contender.
 
The Heat are clowning the Spurs right now. Good defense, lots of ball movement, everyone involved in the offense, this game really represents their potential. If they could play like this every game... Well that's a pretty big "if"
 
Lamar Odom is making a strong bid for SMOY. He may not have as much scoring as Jamal Crawford or Jason Terry, but he's head and shoulders the highest rebounder, is the top or tied for both offensive and defensive ratings, and the second best +/- ratio. Really, the only reason he isn't in more serious conversation is that he's often outshadowed by Kobe, Artest, Pau and lately Bynum. Give this man his candy props! http://losangeles.sbnation.com/2011...award-jason-terry-jamal-crawford-james-harden
 
Are the Sixers relevant enough to talk about in this thread yet?

I'm really pleased with Doug Collins. The roster is basically the same as last year (swap Dalembert for Hawes and add Turner off the bench), yet the team is in considerably more games and they actually have a winning record. Coming after a 3-13 start. I have optimism as a Sixers fan; it's a pretty weird feeling.
 
CaptKirby said:
Lamar Odom has the third most minutes on the Lakers, how is that even remotely a sixth man...
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Lamar has started 32 games this season and come off the bench for 36. In the NBA, it only matters that a player has had more bench games to be eligible for SMOY. And barring some kind of injury to one of LA's bigs, it looks like he'll be staying on the bench for the remainder of the season. Minutes per Game has nothing to do with it...
 
lol terry with #2...the sixth man of the year process is a freaking joke; top three minute holders seems like about the right place to be banned from the process

(please keep in mind that my lack of knowledge on the subject is because I do not give a shit about pointless awards; I know that manu probably had a lot of minutes the years he won, but this is actually outrageous now that I have looked at data, hence my genuine surprise)
 
Golden State at one point was shooting 80% from the field, had an 18 point lead, a 17 point lead at another point, lucked into a cold shooting first half from Dirk Nowitzki and still managed to lose on their home court. Incredible meltdown or a young team that's "learning how to win games"?
 
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