OMPL VIII - Discussion Thread

[The Immortal]

Misdreavuses:

AAA: Thinkerino + itsKimbo
BH: PDT (w/ Matiss support)
Camo: Matiss
MnM: Redflix (w/ Chazm support)
NFE: Ho3n
STAB: Cam + Plas
Sub: Akashi

 

[MAMP]

wow real bh pr

the thing about bh this gen is that nobody is consistent at it, so i think picking up multiple players is really good and it may not be worth spending 20k on someone like me or sl42. there are lots of very good players who are relatively unknown and probably will be really undercosted

forbidden tier

• stresh

top tier: people with experience + proven success in team tours and individual tours. likely to be overcosted

• me, sl42

coles tier: people who are reliable and experienced in the metagame (but are not as skilled/talented as me). also likely to be overcosted

• good luck volkner, a loser

aldi tier: almost as good as the people in the tier above but likely to be way cheaper

• abriel gabram, df-shock, laballadedescieux, matiss98, chessking, superskylake, tack, damflame, ztest

ok tier: wouldn't recommend starting these players, but they'll go super cheap (except dragonillis) and be decent support

• darkbeserker, champion leon, pileosand, pyroshi2, alternatif, dragonillis

unknown tier: good in previous gens, no clue on knowledge/motivation in this gen

• sugarhigh, pdt, anaconja, jasp, willdbeast

 

[Ren]

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I've separated these rankings in categories as shown below. I've also included the average price each player has been going for in the mocks and my thoughts on these prices. Names listed in each category are alphabetical.

Great Starters + Great Support. Tournament Tested, Premier Gen 8 BH Players (Must Buys)

There isn't much else to say about these players. You'll want them on your team. They are each very experienced and proven BH Tour players and they should be first on your wish list when drafting for this tier. I'm not experienced with managing credits for a draft, but Volk and sl42 definitely seem like underpay for the quality of player you'll be getting when you draft them.

GL Volkner (Avg. Price 13000)
Gurpreet Patel (Sent you a Friend Request) (Avg. Price 12333)
MAMP (Avg. Price 18500)

Good Starters + Great Support. Experienced and Knowledgeable Gen 8 BH Players (Great Buys)

a loser (Avg. Price 15417)
Talk about OVERPAY! Y'all need to chill even pretending to spend this much on me.
I do feel like I can be a solid choice for BH as both a player and supporter. I've played a TON of games this gen (likely 3rd to dimrah and superskylake in games played) and am super familiar with the meta; how to build and what to prep for. I'm finally starting to find my footing when it comes to tournament play as well. I went 0-1 in my one opportunity in OMPL last year but I made the finals in the last Gen 7 BH Seasonal.

Chessking345 (Avg. Price 4667)
Chess would be an absolute steal at this price. He is most likely looking to improve upon his first OMPL experience last year and he's more than capable of doing so. Chess knows a lot about this meta and would be a great draft choice as a player along with team support.

SuperSkylake (Avg. Price 6700)
Skylake has also played a ton of BH this gen and is super familiar with the meta. I think he proved last OMPL that he's capable of performing in big tours and I think that his creative building styles can certainly give him in edge in Bo1 tours. This is definitely underpay, plus he seems to be great teammate to have as he's very friendly.

Good Subs + Good Support. Good, Capable Gen 8 BH Players (Good Buys)

DF-Shock (Avg. Price 3250)
DF-Shock is a solid player who seems to be very invested in the metagame. He's been an active tournament participant and usually fairs pretty well for a couple rounds at least, so he's got experience. It would do you well to pick him up and bolster your BH slot with a solid support option.

Matiss98 (Avg. Price 9833)
Siamato might not main BH, but he's very good at playing it. Siamato seems to be a very talented player in general and has had lots of success in tours for other tiers (you can't beat him in Camomons and would be dumb not to draft him for that). The price seems solid for a great deal you'd be getting by drafting him.

Tack :] (Avg. Price 7417)
Tack is a very solid BH player who has had recent success in tours, getting to the finals in the Gen 8 BH Open. He's got some cool teams and seems to have a good knowledge of the meta as well and I think he would be a very valuable resource to have on your team to help out with BH. This price seems like a steal too since apparently he can help you out in NFE as well.

Other Players to Consider

abriel gabram (Avg. Price 6167)
I don't know abriel as a player as much so I can't speak to their ability, but I know they are an active tour participant and are invested in Gen 8 BH. Looks like they play other tiers too, so it would probably be a pretty good choice in the draft to provide solid support.

Champion Leon (Avg. Price 3667)
Champion Leon is a very creative builder in BH. Some of their ideas are a little too off meta to work more than once, but if you saw any of sugarhigh's BH games last OMPL you'll know that this type of building can sometimes reap great rewards. They don't have a lot of tournament experience, but Champion Leon would be an interesting support option to add to your BH team that could potentially spark some cool ideas.

darkbeserker (Avg. Price 3500)
Ignite is a very capable and talented team pilot that can go out and get you a W. He's got some good ideas but can't always translate them to the builder, but when paired with a solid builder I think he'd make a formidable combo. He is definitely not a player you should sleep on in this draft and I don't think you could go wrong in picking him up.

LaBalladeDesCieux (Avg. Price 7500)
LaBallade is another player I'm not as familiar with but I always see around and active in tournaments. They had a great run in the BH Open, making it to the semifinals. They seem to have some neat team builds and could probably provide some good ideas and support in the BH slot. The price here makes me think they also play other tiers, and it never hurts to have a player who provides support for multiple metas.

pileosand (Avg. Price 3625)
Pileosand has been pretty active so far in Gen 8 BH and has come up with some cool sets and teams. I've only ran into them on the ladder a couple times this gen but they seem to be a solid player and would likely be a good support option in the draft.

Ztest (Avg. Price 6000)
I'm not sure how much tournament experience Ztest has, but I know they are always a formidable opponent in BH. They haven't been as active lately but they played a lot early in the gen and had some pretty cool ideas and lots of success on the ladder. I can't speak for their activity but I think Ztest would be an interesting addition to a team's BH slot.

Great BH Players from Past Gens

These players have made themselves known in past generations of BH and all have plenty of experience in tours. They haven't really delved into Gen 8 BH yet, but their knowledge of the tier in general is a valuable resource to either help build teams for a tour or to shake off the rust and get a W when provided with a team.

anaconja (Avg. Price 3900)
jasprose (Avg. Price 5125)
PinkDragonTamer (Avg. Price 11583)
Quantum Tesseract (Avg. Price 13803)
sugarhigh (Avg. Price 9000)
willdbeast (Avg. Price 3750)

Never done one of these so lets see how well this goes. Prices after player tag are the mock prices. 0 could mean undrafted or no sign up.
So apparently this is super similar to loser's, rip. Average price see loser's PR.

Chessking345's Low Effort Gen 8 Balanced Hackmons Power (Price?) Rankings
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0) The players you cannot get (teams with these managers have a lot more flexibility in picking up BH)
- xavgb
- Funbot28

1) The expensive top players (widely regarded as the most consistent players and provide good building support too)
- MAMP (16, 19.5, 16.5, 20, 17.5, 21.5)
One of the players that are most enthusiastic about SS, top tier builder, player, and requires very little support. Council and QC member.
- GL Volkner (10, 14.5, 15.5, 11, 14, 13)
Relatively active in the meta, top tier builder, player, potentially requires support for weeks he johns. QC member.
- Gurpreet Patel (sent you a friend request) (13, 13, 13.5, 9, 12, 13.5)
Low relative price, builds are very unpredictable, top tier player, downside is showing less interest for SS. QC member.
- a loser (17.5, 15, 14, 17, 14.5, 14.5)
Extremely active both in posts and ladder activity. Top tier builder and player. Can also play Camo. Council and QC member.

2) The not-so-expensive but not cheap mid-tier players (decent players that will go a fair price but overall require more support than 1) players, could work on teams with 0) players or multiple BH slots)
- Tack :] (8, 8.5, 8, 8, 8, 4)
BH Open finalist. Can also play NFE.
- SuperSkylake (4.5, 11, 7, 5, 6, 0)
Extremely active on ladder.
- Chessking345 (3, 6, 5, 5, 6, 3)
This guy sucks don't draft him. QC member.

3) The cheap but just as good as 2) players (generally are pretty cheap and are still very solid players and/or play other metas too)
- abriel gabram (8, 5.5, 4, 8, 4.5, 7)
All round player capable of playing several metas.
- pileosand (0, 4, 4.5, 3, 3, 0)
Active player on ladder.
- Ztest (0, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0)
Active player on ladder.
- darkbeserker (0, 3.5, 0, 0, 0, 0)
Active player on ladder.

4) The EU army (generally can play multiple metas which means versatility, prices range from low to high)
- DF-Shock (3, 3, 4, 3, 0, 0)
- damflame 3 (0, 3, 0, 3, 0, 0)
- Pyroshi02 (0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0)
- Alternatif (0, 6, 4.5, 3, 3, 0)
- Dragonillis (16.5, 9.5, 12, 14.5, 13, 17)
- LaBalladeDesCieux (8.5, 7, 9.5, 10, 3.5, 6.5)
- Matiss98 (0, 0, 0, 10, 10.5, 9)

5) The SM players but inactive in SS (consistent players overall but require support/time to adapt to the very distinct SS meta, drafting cheap active player as support is not a bad idea imo)
- PinkDragonTamer (14, 9.5, 12.5, 11, 8, 14.5)
- sugarhigh (0, 0, 0, 0, 8.5, 9.5)
- anaconja (5, 3, 3, 4.5, 4, 0)
- jasprose (7, 5, 4.5, 4, 0, 0)
- Magii (0, 3.5, 0, 0, 0, 0)

6) Willdbeast (probably won't play but is on BH resource council and has some degree of familiarity with SS)
- Willdbeast (0, 0, 4, 5, 3, 3)

7) The Champion
- Champion Leon (5, 3, 3, 0, 0, 0)

wow real bh pr

the thing about bh this gen is that nobody is consistent at it, so i think picking up multiple players is really good and it may not be worth spending 20k on someone like me or sl42. there are lots of very good players who are relatively unknown and probably will be really undercosted

forbidden tier

• stresh

top tier: people with experience + proven success in team tours and individual tours. likely to be overcosted

• me, sl42

coles tier: people who are reliable and experienced in the metagame (but are not as skilled/talented as me). also likely to be overcosted

• good luck volkner, a loser

aldi tier: almost as good as the people in the tier above but likely to be way cheaper

• abriel gabram, df-shock, laballadedescieux, matiss98, chessking, superskylake, tack, damflame, ztest

ok tier: wouldn't recommend starting these players, but they'll go super cheap (except dragonillis) and be decent support

• darkbeserker, champion leon, pileosand, pyroshi2, alternatif, dragonillis

unknown tier: good in previous gens, no clue on knowledge/motivation in this gen

• sugarhigh, pdt, anaconja, jasp, willdbeast

Sorry that you guys wasted your time you can throw these out now

 

[xavgb]

Sorry that you guys wasted your time you can throw these out now

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ompl-viii-commencement-thread.3661802/post-8408419

Can we keep this one though?

 

[Ren]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ompl-viii-commencement-thread.3661802/post-8408419

Can we keep this one though?

Add Tier 0 and you're good

 

[xavgb]

Since HL signed up now I guess I've gotta do a real BH PR to honour his name and combat whatever nonsense is in the other ones. I'll try and be as inclusive as possible, but not to the point where I can't distinctly rank people due to their player skill being too close to each other. I'm sure I will be able to prove the unbiasedness of my power rankings as one cannot argue with the simple facts and logic that I have used to make these placements.


Number rank: 450 Dynamax - Unfortunately forum banned for being too good and getting 45-0 in the BH Dynamax suspect, but the amount of time and effort they would put into this tour is so high that I felt they were worth a mention anyway.

A rank: A loser - This is the most A rank pick i've ever seen. It just resonates complete A energy as even these other false PRs have effectively pointed out. The name definitely makes this draft worth it too; if a literal loser can win games then what excuse does the rest of the team have not to win?

B rank: Barraskewda - Before you get confused, yes I am ranking the pokemon and not any player of the same name. Not only is Barraskewda actually B rank in the gen 8 BH VR, it is sure to take some good wins this OMPL when backed by rain support. Our famous matchup fish definitely deserves its rank over any player that uses it, since it will be doing all the work anyway, practically using Fishious Rend of its own volition.

C rank: Chessking345 - Definitely a solid player who will think through all of his tactical choices. He excels in opening theory, with an innate ability to decide which Teleport mon he should lead with, but he is also capable of deciding when to sacrifice his assets and when he should preserve his remaining threats. He is however inexperienced in Blitz games, which may prove to be his downfall as this is OMPL's choice of time control.

D rank: DarkBeserker - With solid playing skills and a hunger to win I am convinced that this guy will be able to Ignite his opponents into flames. My information on him is a bit outdated however I can definitely say he's a real Joker (2019) who will be a valuable addition to any team cord. Except OM's team, who cannot draft him due to an incident regarding DarkBeserker's avatar.

E rank: Errrrr... pretty much no one - Come on guys this isn't my fault, blame the BH community for not nurturing enough new players for there to be an E rank option. Maybe there was an E rank SM BH player but that absolutely does not excuse the community's laziness. You guys have really dropped the ball on this one

EDIT: I have just realised that E4 Flint fits the categories necessary to be in this rank, despite shying away from Gen 8 in particular. Now you guys have really got me mad for that one.

F rank: Fishious Rend and Bolt Beak (henceforth referred to as Fossil Speed Moves or FSMs - thanks funbot) - I was originally going to put Funbot in this rank but then I decided to go for something that every manager can make use of to make a better PR. FSMs are sure to randomly pop up out of nowhere and surprise everyone, getting some cool wins that will surely make other people on this list salty at the council. Again since every team can make use of this the only option to really stop the destruction left in its wake will be to force your players to bring a Fur Coat Eternatus every week - make sure to draft two players in case one of them does not comply with these terms.

G rank: Gurpreet Patel (sent you a friend request) - People have been calling him a good draft but I have placed him slightly lower on my rankings due to that name. It's too long!!! In fact I'd really suggest that no manager drafts him due to the potential consequences of letting such a name into OMPL. Weekly match threads will be hours late, and the unlucky manager who drafts him will soon find that no prepping occurs in the BH channel due to the sheer difficulty any supporting pick will have referring to him by name. I don't think this will be much of a problem though, as no manager will have the patience to nom him in the draft in the first place.

H rank: Haylighter - this isn't the only player to be included in this rank. Other members include "Holy shit Haylighter came back for OMPL", "h" - Chazm, and Haylighter's good buddy Highlighter. This has been my personal highlight of the tour so far, adding all sorts of colours to the BH drafting potential. Highlighter is definitely a multi-meta threat too - he will be able to support other picks by outlining important information that will help them study for their games.

I rank: I seriously can't believe Highlighter signed up - THIS IS SO COOL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I hope he plays every week unlike that guy "GL Volkner" - don't draft that guy btw I heard he lost to Quagsire once.

J rank: Jasprose - They were solid in Gen 7 but the lack of ability to run 6 Kyogres due to both Forme Clause existing and Kyogre not existing makes me doubt their skill. He apparently won a BH Open too, but I don't see him anywhere in Willdbeast's well-known "BH Open winner" discord which makes me doubt the legitimacy of such a claim.

K rank: Klang - Sign up pussy. Highlighter did it so you can do it too.

L rank: LaBalladeDesCieux - Respectable all-around player though you may not want them in BH. I'll give him a pass on the name thing as he can be referred to as LBDC which doesn't sound stupid (unlike GP(Syafr) which I refuse to ever say again).

M rank: Megazard - Much like Jasp he is definitely a victim of the Gen 8 changes. Not only has he lost his best building support in Greenheroes, Mega Houndoom also isn't in Gen 8 which means he may struggle in this edition of BH. However, he is still definitely the best BH player of all the M rank candidates. There really isn't anyone else I can think of here - maybe like Mark K but I don't see him BHing in this.

EDIT: Wow i'm silly, I completely forgot motherlove. Sign up pussy.

N rank: NovaFish21 - Definitely a little rusty (welcome back btw) but could grab a win or two with some good support. They might end up in MnM though you never know.

O rank: OM! - Iconic member of the BH community the OG OM has supposedly signed up for OMPL, and he will definitely taking the O rank spot hands down. I'm not sure how they would stack up against people in other ranks so hopefully they don't change their smogon name that would be a real shame if that happened.

P rank: PinkDragonTamer - As people have already pointed out, there is no such thing as a pink dragon. For this reason I have to rank this so-called "PinkDragon Tamer" low on my power rankings as they clearly have no clue what's real and what's not. There's a small chance that their belief in the existence of pink dragons may come in handy when attempting to rationalise the fact that a franchise with the slogan "Gotta Catch 'Em All" would dare to remove Pokemon from the game.

Q rank: Quantum Tesseract - As a self-proclaimed multi-meta player, QT is on this BH PR due to past strong results in BH. However, they only signed up for MnM and AAA so you should consider drafting them for Camomons instead.

R rank: Regirock - he's probably not signing up because he's busy playing old gens or something and old gens are not in this tour, but I expect to see a few games from them in the upcoming World Cup of Other Metagames II as well as potentially getting a managerial position whenever OMPL 7 rolls around. This is all just a hunch though.

S rank: SuperSkylake - Decent BH support pick who I might team with in the upcoming OMPL 7, trust me on this one guys I'm really good at predicting the future. An alternative here would be Sugarhigh, as sugar highs definitely help people power through writing unnecessarily long joke BH PRs, not that I'm joking or anything.

T rank: Tack :] - I don't know why there's a smiley face in his name but it'll be sure to inspire positivity in all of his teammates. He'll definitely be a great pick to tack on to the end of your draft as he supports the NFE slot too. Make sure that he doesn't bring the NFE team to BH though.

U rank: U-turn - one of the lowest ranks on here for a reason. It may have been the king of Gen 7 but you will look like a fool if you don't draft a player with the crucial ability to click Teleport 5 times in the space of 10 turns.

V rank: VoltDarkrai - This guy is super good at BH and he'll probably go for a lot as long as he doesn't change his name to something stupid like Goose Lips Volkner. I really hope that never happens, even with an abbreviation like "GL Volkner" no one's gonna know what GL stands for like that's just obvious come on man.

W rank: Willdbeast - May seem like a good pick even in Gen 8 as FC Kyu-B is still legal, however Thousand Waves has been removed from the game so he is unfortunately useless. Better luck next time bud.

X rank: Xavgb - X rank is fitting as it is well-known that the only good play that can be made against Xavgb is clicking the X button. Needs team support however, users with Discord Nitro are especially good partners as they will be able to spam :xavgb: in the OM discord with so much ferocity that TI will have no choice but to add :xavgb: to the OM discord for all users to spam. Apart from WhitePhoenixAce he'll probably spam that stupid jolteon again - stop reacting to everything with :jolt: or i will jolt you out of the OM discord i swear to god.

Y rank: Your BH pick - As my intellect is simply way bigger than yours it only stands to reason that your bh pick would be Y rank. Y being the 25th letter in the alphabet is fitting as I will undoubtedly be able to think of 24 BH players that are better than whoever you picked. Unless you use this immaculate list of course, then I will have no choice but to cower in fear of my own intellect biting me in the ass - and of course team matchup, welcome to BH.

Z rank: Ztest - I'm surprised that this guy signed up as I thought he was only a ladder player. Nonetheless he is pretty solid at BH in general, though his unfortunate name makes this PR a ladder he cannot climb.

As you can see I am very unbiased when it comes to power rankings, unflappable in the face of anything other than my one true weakness - bribes. I won't let this weakness get to me though; instead I will simply leave my PayPal link in the description. As this PR means I'm technically contributing to OMPL, I hope that all of you will be able to support me for my technical contributions. Thank you and good night.

P.S. don't draft anyone who calls themselves an "alpha" - alpha rank isn't included here since it's part of the wrong alphabet but to my knowledge there is no loophole that makes a self-proclaimed "alpha" stronger at Balanced Hackmons.

 

[Chessking345]

Sorry that you guys wasted your time you can throw these out now

......

Great BH Players from Past Gens

These players have made themselves known in past generations of BH and all have plenty of experience in tours. They haven't really delved into Gen 8 BH yet, but their knowledge of the tier in general is a valuable resource to either help build teams for a tour or to shake off the rust and get a W when provided with a team.

5) The SM players but inactive in SS (consistent players overall but require support/time to adapt to the very distinct SS meta, drafting cheap active player as support is not a bad idea imo)

unknown tier: good in previous gens, no clue on knowledge/motivation in this gen

the thing about bh this gen is that nobody is consistent at it, so i think picking up multiple players is really good and it may not be worth spending 20k on someone like me or sl42.

 

[Ren]

......

 

[Isaiah]

Head Honchkrows:

AAA: jrdn + (Sylveon.)
BH: Chessking345 + Polkot
MnM: Sylveon. + (jrdn)
NFE: blinkboy + Megazard
Camo: DugZa
Stab: The Number Man

First time giving managing a whirl--kinda threw out the balance, but it happens I guess

 

[berry]

moocc

pricelist

The Klink Shamers

Andyb0y	25000
highlighter	17500
Sabella	10500
betathunder	9500
Pigeons	8000
EviGaro	3500
itsKimbo	3000
BitchKicker	3000

The Pandemic Parasects

aesf	18000
w0rd	17500
Gurpreet Patel (Sent you a Friend Request)	13500
Euphonos	11000
Redflix	8000
TonyFlygon	6000
Anime Sans	3000
frisoeva	3000

The Head Honchkrows

Sylveon.	19000
blinkboy	13500
Megazard	11000
Chessking345	7000
DugZa	7000
Polkot	3500
The Number Man	3000

The Money Magearnas

a loser	14000
Skysolo	8500
Quantum Tesseract	8500
lax	8000
uhuhuhu7	6500
Cam	4500
jasprose	4500
Thimo	3500
anaconja	3000
TJ	3000

The Malevolent Misdreavuses

Matiss98	15000
Dragonillis	15000
LaBalladeDesCieux	10000
gmansour20	6500
Marjane	6000
Fardin	5000
Alternatif	5000
DF-Shock	4500
kuyukihime	4000
Lancer Fr	3000
a fruitshop owner	3000
damflame 3	3000

The Temper Tyrantrums

MAMP	19500
MultiAmmiratore	18500
Thinkerino	11500
MetaRiolu7	8500
drampa's grandpa	7500
Crystalites	5000
pileosand	5000
Akashi	4500

The Crown Jewel Corviknights

rozes	17000
Racool	16000
GL Volkner	11500
Tack :]	10000
Havens	7000
Terracotta	6500
Mark K	5500
SuperSkylake	3500
TectonicDestroyer	3000

The Spinda Wheels

PinkDragonTamer	8000
Ho3nConfirm3d	7500
sugarhigh	7000
Jordy	5500
Plas	5000
Highlord	5000
vivalospride	5000
Dj Breloominati♬	4500
Zesty43	4500
Karl Dude Guy	4000
Lasen	4000
abriel gabram	4000

Overall

Andyb0y	25000
MAMP	19500
Sylveon.	19000
MultiAmmiratore	18500
aesf	18000
highlighter	17500
w0rd	17500
rozes	17000
Racool	16000
Matiss98	15000
Dragonillis	15000
a loser	14000
blinkboy	13500
Gurpreet Patel (Sent you a Friend Request)	13500
Thinkerino	11500
GL Volkner	11500
Megazard	11000
Euphonos	11000
Sabella	10500
Tack :]	10000
LaBalladeDesCieux	10000
betathunder	9500
MetaRiolu7	8500
Quantum Tesseract	8500
Skysolo	8500
Pigeons	8000
lax	8000
Redflix	8000
PinkDragonTamer	8000
drampa's grandpa	7500
Ho3nConfirm3d	7500
Chessking345	7000
Havens	7000
DugZa	7000
sugarhigh	7000
uhuhuhu7	6500
gmansour20	6500
Terracotta	6500
Marjane	6000
TonyFlygon	6000
Mark K	5500
Jordy	5500
Alternatif	5000
Fardin	5000
Crystalites	5000
vivalospride	5000
Highlord	5000
Plas	5000
pileosand	5000
Akashi	4500
jasprose	4500
Cam	4500
Zesty43	4500
Dj Breloominati♬	4500
DF-Shock	4500
Karl Dude Guy	4000
abriel gabram	4000
kuyukihime	4000
Lasen	4000
EviGaro	3500
Polkot	3500
SuperSkylake	3500
Thimo	3500
The Number Man	3000
Anime Sans	3000
TectonicDestroyer	3000
BitchKicker	3000
itsKimbo	3000
anaconja	3000
TJ	3000
damflame 3	3000
a fruitshop owner	3000
Lancer Fr	3000
frisoeva	3000

aaa: funbot / qt
mnm: skysolo
bh: loser / jasp
stab: lax / cam
camo: cam / funbot
nfe: uhuhuhu7 / tj
subs: thimo, anaconja
or something like that

 

[Ren]

klink shamers
BH: itsKimbo
AAA: BitchKicker
NFE: highlighter
MnM: Sabella
Camomons: betathunder
STABmons: Andyb0y

 

[Ren]

why are people wow and haha reacting my extremely optimal lineup

 

[Dragonillis]

The Malevolent Misdreavuses :

AAA : LaBalladeDesCieux (+Dragonillis)
BH : DF-Shock (+Alternatif)
MnM : gmansour20 (+damflame 3/Fardin)
NFE : Marjane (+ a fruitshop owner)
Camo : Matiss98/Siamato (+Dragonillis)
STAB : Lancer Fr (+ Kuyukihime)

Sub : Fardin, Dragonillis, a fruitshop owner, kuyukihime, Alternatif, damflame 3

Team baguette : done

 

[Racool]

BH: SL42
AAA: aesf
STAB: w0rd (+aesf support)
MnM: Redflix
Camo: Euphonos
NFE: Tony (+anime sans and frisoeva support)
Subs: Anime sans, Frisoeva

gg

 

[Mark K]

AAA: Thinkerino
BH: MAMPTHECHAMP, pileosand
Camomons: MetaRiolu7
NFE: Crystalites
MnM: Multi, Jeran
STABmons: Drampa

Freest mock of all time

 

[Jrdn]

NOW HE'S 3k?

swearing rant inside

FRICKING FRICK

 

[xavgb]

AAA: Xavgb/Vivalospride/Plas (fuck volkner btw)
BH: Pinkdragontamer/Sugarhigh/Xavgb/Abriel Gabram (fuck volkner btw)
Camomons: Highlord/Karl Dude Guy/DJ Breloominati(fuck volkner btw)
NFE: Ho3nconfirm3d (fuck volkner btw)
MnM: Jordy/Xavgb/abriel gabram (fuck volkner btw)
STAB: Plas/Vivalospride/Lasen

Super sub everywhere + builder: Zesty43

How2army

 

[drampa's grandpa]

Gonna split this post into two parts.

Part 1: Underrated Players

I've been noticing a number of people who have been going undrafted that definitely deserve to be drafted. These people are usually not the absolute top players, but they're people who, if I was managing, I would be scoping out as possible buys due to people just ignoring their existence. Note that I a) know nothing about NFE players and haven't made a point of actually learning, so anyone who plays NFE and is getting ignored in MOCC?!?!?s is gonna get ignored here too and b) I'm inevitably going to overlook some people I should know. This list isn't in any particular order, although I guess I may bother to alphabetize it. Any player on this list has either gone undrafted in a mock or is going for a much lower average price than they warrant.

DurzaOffTopic - Durza always seems to get ignored. He's a good player, and seems likely to go cheaper than someone as good at mons as he is would normally. There are downsides, IE there are a number of people in our community who have issues with Durza for whatever reason, but a good manager should be able to develop a team atmosphere where that isn't an issue ;)

Flaming Deoxys - A solid player. Unfortunately didn't make it to signups in MnM open but they seem to have overcome that here already, so presumably they'll do a bit better. I don't believe they've played much this generation, but that's true of a lot of people. Should make a good support / sub slot.

Jasprose - While Jasprose hasn't been that active this generation, they're adorable formerly a starter-quality player with tournament experience. I wouldn't draft him without the support of someone familiar with Gen 8, preferably someone who can start especially in the early weeks, but he would make an excellent addition to a BH squad and is super cute.

Kris - Long-time consistently active STABmons player who regularly brings non-standard and creative mons to the table. Would make excellent building support and in a pinch can code the server to hax your opponent.

SuperSkyLake - As seen in the BH viability rankings that were just posted, this guy is a good buy. Knowledgeable about Gen 8, with tour success under his belt. I don't have much to add to the two posts above, so go read them for more BH info.

The Number Man - While I primarily know The Number Man from mashups, they're a pretty terrifying player there. I suppose it's not that surprising TNM is getting overlooked, as they're not super well known and haven't had a ton of tour experience, but I know they are capable of building super solid teams and playing well. I fully anticipate them kicking my ass later this week when I have to play them for a different tour

...
There are a number of players who I rate very highly in general who I didn't add to this list despite them not being drafted pretty consistently. Players such as PurpleGatorade, Freddy Kyogre, Alakazam, and many others. I know these people as players of metagames that are not included in this tour, and while they're good at mons as a whole, I don't know how transferable those metagames will prove to be here. While I would love to see them involved and excel, and wouldn't be surprised to see them kick butt, I just don't know how to predict that they'll do.

I don't think I'll be adding to this list, but if you have any underrated players of your own to mention (especially in NFE because again, I know jack about that playerbase) feel free to drop the names!

Part 2: STABmons Player Viability

I've been putting this off because I'm not super confident in rating everyone but hey, I'm gonna do it. This is one person's judgment, so use at your discretion.

A QUICK NOTE BEFORE YOU READ THIS:
STABmons is super-duper centralized, at levels almost similar to RBY OU. The parallels are kinda funny actually; we have a big four just like gen 1 OU did.
As such, anyone who has proven they can play in the past will likely be able to pick up the metagame again fairly quickly.

Ranks are alphabetical within themselves.
Why Does He Get To Buy Himself He's The Best At Like 3 Metas Rank
xavgb :xavgb: - You hate him cuz you ain't him. Yeh you don't get to buy him. STAB open champion, number 1 seed and current finalist (and IMO favorite to win) in OMGS, overall excellent player, knowledgeable about the metagame. He would absolutely go for like almost 30k if he was up to be bought.

You also don't get to buy him but at least you don't have to face him Rank
In The Hills - This nerd is the best active STABmons player this generation. He didn't sign up though despite me telling him to do so repeatedly.

S Rank - The Start Of People You Can Actually Buy
w0rd - The legendary word. Hasn't played Gen 8 STABmons much, but if you draft someone who actually knows the metagame alongside him (or can teach him AKA you're Stresh, Chazm, or Funbot) there's no doubt word will start strong and only get stronger from there. He has proven his quality generation after generation, and has a reputation as being historically the best STABmons player.

A Rank - People Who Rock But Aren't Quite The Top Of The Top
betathunder - The former tier leader, and a solid STAB player. Like word, Beta hasn't played gen 8, so support of some form is pretty mandatory, but beta should be worth it.

multiammiratore - Multi made it to finals in the STAB open and semi-finals in OMGS. They're definitely a very solid all-round buy, also being a good Mix and Mega player and being able to provide support in some other metagames. While STABmons isn't their main metagame, they have more experience with gen 8 than many of the less active players on this list. They beat me up pretty easily in STAB open so they're better than me

Borderline - People I can't decide whether they're A or B
aesf - Part of the overall much more threatening AAA pool of players, where you honestly probably want them playing. Aesf is a powerhouse of a player in STABmons as in general, but it isn't their main tier and they hasn't played much this generation to my knowledge. Killer STAB support if you draft them for AAA though.

B Rank - Players Who Are Good Enough But Not Top Priorities For Your STAB Slot
chazm - Yes he plays STAB, no he probably won't be here because he plays more Mix and Mega. You don't get to buy him because he's managing. Chazm is a good player. He isn't as into STABmons as his other metagames, and IMO wouldn't justify the 16k he would have to spend for himself in this particular slot. However he would certainly produce good results and will be good support.
drampa's grandpa* - Drampa's Grandpa is the best active generation 8 STABmons main who signed up for this tour. He's also the only one. Drampa is a STAB open semi-finalist and STAB council member. He's knowledgeable about the metagame thanks to being active but isn't the world's greatest player, having a tendency to lose his head if things go wrong or take unnecessary risks and is relatively unproven in team tours. Not a bad budget option and good support for a better player, but not a top player by any means.

funbot28 - The tier leader. You don't get to buy her because she's managing. Funbot is knowledgeable about the metagame and will undoubtedly be an asset to her team's STAB slot whether she plays or not. She regularly produces solid but usually not outstanding results, and her biggest strength in a tour like this is her top tier meta flexibility, which isn't really taken into account here.

*Disclaimer: I fully admit I have a bit of a hard time being objective here. I think this is a fair ranking though. Let me know if you think I'm overselling myself. Or underselling ig but I really don't think I under-ranked myself.

C Rank - Good support / sub choices for STAB
Kris - As I say in the other section of this post, Kris comes up with some really off-meta stuff. He would be excellent for assisting in building and testing.

The Number Man - TNM is an absolutely terrifying STAAAB player, good at both building and battling. I don't know for sure how far their experience goes with regular STABmons but they're certainly worth picking up

IDK Rank - People where I'm really not that sure how good they are :(
This rank is not intended to be a list of everyone not mentioned who signed up. It's a list of people who I know / think play STABmons or are general OM all-rounders and I don't have a good sense of how good at STAB specifically they are. Please don't judge people harshly because they're here, this is genuinely just for people I didn't want to give an unfair rank to.

highlord - plays camo and mnm and apparently STAB. Not a bad player.
dragonilis - our esteemed permaroomstar
matiss98 - play him in camo tho, they're a goat there
akashi - Jeran is good at OMs
lax - lax has a super solid reputation as a player. I don't know much about their STAB career.
volcanionisgood - another om all-rounder and multi-time roomstar winner
fardin - yet ANOTHER all-rounder at oms. I wouldn't play fardin in STAB unless you have no other place to put him, but I imagine he'd do decently with some building support.

I've had some people telling me "you forgot x person". Yeh I didn't get everyone. Have at it, tell me how good they are.

 

[a loser]

Just realized that my BH Player Ranking was post #69 on this thread and that is pretty funny and cool don't y'all think? It probably means that my PR is the best and most accurate too but maybe that's just me. Anyway, that's all I had to say

 

[pdt]

i want highlighter

 

[Sectonia]

Earlier today, I conducted a survey that had simply one question. This was done so I could assess each manager and see which one could establish dominance over the rest- and which would be dominated by the other managers. What was the question, you may ask?

"What is your opinion on 'Bad Romance' by Lady Gaga?"

This question allowed me to see the strength of each manager, and I will use that to make a totally accurate power ranking that isn't subjective at all, and is 100% unbiased.

Without further ado, I present to you...

Sectonia's Pre-Draft Power Rankings (100% unbiased and completely objective)

1. OM
OM was chosen as the top dog of this power ranking because his response to my survey question was simply the best. He expressed a level of culture that couldn't be matched by any other managers, and managed to convey to me that he would be able to take his team to the next level, and claim the trophy for the Tyrantrums. Truly, the competition will fall down flat against OM's extremely cultured team.

2. SBPC
SBPC made it to second place because their opinion, while very impressively expressed, failed to match the level of detail that OM did. However, they still managed to showcase their level of culture, and their opinion expressed to me that they would definitely go very far in this OMPL, if not take it all. The competition is stiff, though, and OM has already shown to me that he is prepared to do everything he can to take it all, but I don't doubt that SBPC won't back down from a challenge!

3. Catalystic
Although they did not go in detail in their response, the response led me to believe that they're certainly prepared to fight their way though the crowd, beating down the unworthy, and to try and take the trophy, although the top 2 will definitely not let Catalystic do this without a fight. Catalystic will definitely be able to put up a strong fight, however, and this will be reflected in the team he will draft.

4. Chloe
A humble opinion came from their response, and while it doesn't give me much insight, the insight I do have tells me that while Chloe will do her best, it may not be enough to overcome the top 3. However, Chloe rises above the rest of the other managers due to how they humbly express their opinion, and has a level of culture to them that tells me that I may be surprised in the end!

5. Jrdn
Although his response to my survey showed a lack of culture, jrdn surprised me with a follow up response that made me reconsider if he was truly uncultured. He acknowledged his shortcoming, and that, in my eyes, rose him above the rest of the uncultured people on this list. jrdn will have an interesting draft, that's for sure.

6. Chazm
The first of the truly uncultured people, his response told me that while he could listen to music, he certainly couldn't tell me an educated opinion on it, and his draft is likely to suffer from it. However, he saved himself by only appearing to be unaware. Perhaps if he educated himself before the draft, he could save his team.

7. Funbot28
Alas, the sand of times are cruel, and have worn down the level of culture Funbot had. Unfortunately, their response made me fear for their draft. It's not likely that they'll be able to bounce back in time to pull off a stellar draft, unless a miracle occurs. Best of luck to Funbot. Perhaps they could draft someone to save their team, and show them the light.

8. xavgb
fucking hate him, his response to my survey showed that he was uncultured as fuck, and although his mocks showed promise, the truth is, he'll flop so hard. i hope xavgb places last in OMPL as karma for the response he send in for my survey.


Disclaimer: No harm was meant- I hope everyone has a great draft, and I wish everyone the best of luck! That being said, fuck xavgb, hope he dies in a ditch somewhere

 

[betathunder]

Camomons: betathunder

?????

 

[OM]

Earlier today, I conducted a survey that had simply one question. This was done so I could assess each manager and see which one could establish dominance over the rest- and which would be dominated by the other managers. What was the question, you may ask?

"What is your opinion on 'Bad Romance' by Lady Gaga?"

This question allowed me to see the strength of each manager, and I will use that to make a totally accurate power ranking that isn't subjective at all, and is 100% unbiased.

Without further ado, I present to you...

Sectonia's Pre-Draft Power Rankings (100% unbiased and completely objective)

1. OM
OM was chosen as the top dog of this power ranking because his response to my survey question was simply the best. He expressed a level of culture that couldn't be matched by any other managers, and managed to convey to me that he would be able to take his team to the next level, and claim the trophy for the Tyrantrums. Truly, the competition will fall down flat against OM's extremely cultured team.

2. SBPC
SBPC made it to second place because their opinion, while very impressively expressed, failed to match the level of detail that OM did. However, they still managed to showcase their level of culture, and their opinion expressed to me that they would definitely go very far in this OMPL, if not take it all. The competition is stiff, though, and OM has already shown to me that he is prepared to do everything he can to take it all, but I don't doubt that SBPC won't back down from a challenge!

3. Catalystic
Although they did not go in detail in their response, the response led me to believe that they're certainly prepared to fight their way though the crowd, beating down the unworthy, and to try and take the trophy, although the top 2 will definitely not let Catalystic do this without a fight. Catalystic will definitely be able to put up a strong fight, however, and this will be reflected in the team he will draft.

4. Chloe
A humble opinion came from their response, and while it doesn't give me much insight, the insight I do have tells me that while Chloe will do her best, it may not be enough to overcome the top 3. However, Chloe rises above the rest of the other managers due to how they humbly express their opinion, and has a level of culture to them that tells me that I may be surprised in the end!

5. Jrdn
Although his response to my survey showed a lack of culture, jrdn surprised me with a follow up response that made me reconsider if he was truly uncultured. He acknowledged his shortcoming, and that, in my eyes, rose him above the rest of the uncultured people on this list. jrdn will have an interesting draft, that's for sure.

6. Chazm
The first of the truly uncultured people, his response told me that while he could listen to music, he certainly couldn't tell me an educated opinion on it, and his draft is likely to suffer from it. However, he saved himself by only appearing to be unaware. Perhaps if he educated himself before the draft, he could save his team.

7. Funbot28
Alas, the sand of times are cruel, and have worn down the level of culture Funbot had. Unfortunately, their response made me fear for their draft. It's not likely that they'll be able to bounce back in time to pull off a stellar draft, unless a miracle occurs. Best of luck to Funbot. Perhaps they could draft someone to save their team, and show them the light.

8. xavgb
fucking hate him, his response to my survey showed that he was uncultured as fuck, and although his mocks showed promise, the truth is, he'll flop so hard. i hope xavgb places last in OMPL as karma for the response he send in for my survey.


Disclaimer: No harm was meant- I hope everyone has a great draft, and I wish everyone the best of luck! That being said, fuck xavgb, hope he dies in a ditch somewhere

Leak what we said???

 

[vivalospride]

holy shit I just realized we're missing motherlove, PLEASE COME BACK FOR OMPL MOTHERLOVE

 

[willdbeast]

Pre-Draft team Power Rankings!

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1. Hamhamhamham(ham) - The Kinglax

With a great deal of experience running teams in OMs, Captaining for both OMWC and winning the most recent, Ham^5 has proved himself to be capable at organising teams and bringing out the best from his players. However his talents don't end at running a team, he is also a very skilled player with many tournament successes under his belt both in OMs and outside including perhaps most noticeably winning OMGS. With his knowledge particularly of AAA, but also other OMs, he's sure to be a strong supporting role in any team with building and testing even if he doesn't draft himself.

2. Mark K - THE TIC-TAC-TERRAKS

Another manager with past experience in OMWC, he however hasn't achieved quite the same level of results at the head of a team. That being said he is more than competent at organising a team and I'm sure will be relishing the chance to prove himself. As a player Mark K is perhaps not a standout in any one meta, but has wide all round knowledge and is a very solid player in many OMs which will be invaluable especially if he chooses to draft a single player for any one slot.

3. MAMP(THECHAMP) - The Partying Poliwags

Another strong manager with experience in both OMWC and both OM snake drafts, notably reaching the final in both snakes as manager. Needless to say this manager has shown he has what it takes to run a team and will be keen achieve a different outcome in these finals. On the battlefield MAMP is a dangerous BH player, rightfully earning the epithet "THECHAMP" for his strong performances in BH across half a decade which will surely help his team either as a sure pick player or if he chooses to save the 16k in a support role.

4. Jasprose - The Social Distancing Solgaleos

Another prominent BH player, Jasprose has not had the same consistent results in recent years as MAMP has and is probably not looking to draft himself for 16k. However he will still play a useful support role and is well known for his friendly persona, which will doubtless help his team's motivation. However lack of managerial experience might be problematic.

5. Kris - Harden Haxorus

With past experience managing WCo1v1, Kris is certainly no novice to the managing game and as someone active in the OM scene who plays a variety of metas he will certainly know who to draft and will be able to provide some testing and teambuilding help.

6. damflame 3 - Omastar Academia

A keen player and a member of the active French community, he will certainly know who he should be drafting - including some maybe lesser known french players who can be bargain drafts. However despite having experience in a wide variety of metas, damflame is not prominent in many of them so his role will be limited to support, and as someone without managing experience he might struggle to stay on top of things.

7. Champion Leon - #Slaykings

Another BH player, though I think it's fair to say not yet as accomplished as those earlier on the list, Champion Leon aka OM! is a creative player who can certainly provide good testing for his BH slot and give some spicy team ideas to get a surprise edge. However not playing most of the OMs in the lineup and having no former managing experience will hurt his ability to judge every player in the draft and will limit his supporting abilities.

8. Whitephoenixace - Tumultous Toxtricities

WPA is another active member of the OM community, however he has no previous experience managing and is not the most prominent player. That being said, he does have knowledge of a variety of meta which will help him to support many slots on his team. The biggest weakness of this player is the quantity and (minimal) quality of the memes he posts, which are sure to disrupt team preparation and in depth discussions while derailing attempts to prepare.