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OU CCAT - Mark III (Laddering/Discussing - See Post #547)
- Thread starter Electrolyte
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LO Mamoswine
Forretress
Whimsicott
*Why all this love for Rotom-W :(
We're so weak to Grass atack with Ttar Keldeo Gliscor already as Gliscor only has EQ. If we take Rotom-W (and I used him in the first tests I did), I don't see how Mamoswine would fit in this team. Breloom would just do a slaughter, even with Latios, having 5 pokemon that are 0HKO (well not Gliscor but he can do nothing back, not even sub-up and he's 2HKO). So basically we sacrifice Mamoswine for Rotom-W that's not something that seem good.. moreover Heatran would be doomed aswell by the mushroom..
Forretress
Whimsicott
*Why all this love for Rotom-W :(
We're so weak to Grass atack with Ttar Keldeo Gliscor already as Gliscor only has EQ. If we take Rotom-W (and I used him in the first tests I did), I don't see how Mamoswine would fit in this team. Breloom would just do a slaughter, even with Latios, having 5 pokemon that are 0HKO (well not Gliscor but he can do nothing back, not even sub-up and he's 2HKO). So basically we sacrifice Mamoswine for Rotom-W that's not something that seem good.. moreover Heatran would be doomed aswell by the mushroom..
Yeah I agree we really need to avoid adding any more Grass weaknesses. Like, really. Bronzong is just so much better as a Tornadus counter and general defensive mon than Rotom on this team. Same goes for Mamoswine to an extent, it really isn't making it easy for us to cover weaknesses.
Noms:
EBelt Abomasnow
SpDef Bronzong
LO Latias
Noms:
EBelt Abomasnow
SpDef Bronzong
LO Latias
tehy
Banned deucer.
I don't half-admit it. It's true. That gives them terrible, rather than godawful, synergy. Firstly, every time aboma comes in, CBtar must come in, or else gliscor heals 6% a turn. Secondly, if we pivot directly from aboma to gliscor, as you admit, we'll have 6% healing a turn, which means he might not actually beat stuff he could otherwise, and can have massive holes punched in him he won't soon regenerate off, especially considering his purpose is to SUBPASS.
Gliscor is the point of our team. With hail down, he's basically OU gliscor, who was... rarely used in OU, for a good reason-6% healing is just not enough for a defensive pokemon, and in our case it's even worse, since he subpasses.
Edit: I'm making loads of sense. The net loss is not zero, because A:We'll already have SS down and B: If our attack already KO's, which it should, then we lose but they don't. And it definitely is. If he subs twice, with SR down and hail down, half his health is gone. Meanwhile, we don't have enough revenge-killers/fast pokemon, even with abomasnow's ice shard, on this team to just sack stuff any time because gliscor's worn down.
I see gliscor on hail all the time. It's bad. I'm coming from a place where a pokemon that is designed to take hits, lose 25% of its health, and occasionally wall threats for us has only 6% healing a turn. I see you watching this right now, and i want you to see this appear:
NO DEFENSIVE POKEMON, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT SUBS, CAN FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY WITH 6% HEALING A TURN.
Also:
Baton Pass Jolteon
Forretress
Specially defensive bronzong
Kay I feel honorbound to defend Murk now because first of all he's defending my nomination :) and secondly, you're not making much sense (any, actually). So what if Gliscor only has 6% healing per turn? The opponent will have either 0, or -6% healing. The net "loss" from having Hail is therefore 0, except against Ice types (the most common member of which group, Mamoswine, never switches into EBelt Abomasnow, so in the hypothetical double switch scenario this is a non issue). Yes, Gliscor is abusing Substitute, so the net loss is actually minutely more than 0, but this is nowhere near enough to justify what you're saying. If you need more evidence, consider that Gliscor is one of the absolute most popular pokemon, using its SubToxic set, on defensive Hail teams.
Also yes, Gliscor's point is to SubPass, not to stall indefinitely. Recovering 6% less health, assuming Hail is up at all, isn't significantly impinging on its ability to SubPass a few times - and like Murk said, if you're switching from Aboma to Gliscor and thus have Hail up, the vast majority of the time you're going to be able to SubPass much more easily because you'll be facing something like Heatran, Jirachi, Scizor etc. So yeah, I just really don't get where you're coming from.
Also yes, Gliscor's point is to SubPass, not to stall indefinitely. Recovering 6% less health, assuming Hail is up at all, isn't significantly impinging on its ability to SubPass a few times - and like Murk said, if you're switching from Aboma to Gliscor and thus have Hail up, the vast majority of the time you're going to be able to SubPass much more easily because you'll be facing something like Heatran, Jirachi, Scizor etc. So yeah, I just really don't get where you're coming from.
ThePillsburyDoughBoy said:
Specially Defensive Skarmory
Specially Defensive Rotom-W
Expert Belt Abomasnow
Specially Defensive Rotom-W
Expert Belt Abomasnow
Specially Defensive Rotom-W
Specially Defensive Bronzong
Specially Defensive Bronzong
Sp. Def Bronzong
Specially defensive Skarmory
Sp. Def Rotom-W
Specially defensive Skarmory
Sp. Def Rotom-W
Bronzong
Hello I think you forgot about Sub CM Jirachi, along with pretty much everything in the fucking metagame that runs Substitute + Leftovers
Tally right now:
EDIT: updated, thanks to ginganinja. Didn't realized bubbly was banned.
Since we had only 1 voter in the last 24 hours I guess we can close here and go ahead picking the next poke. Electrolyte is having some problems with power outages due to the hurricane, if I'm not mistaken, so we're waiting Harsha I guess.
EDIT: updated, thanks to ginganinja. Didn't realized bubbly was banned.