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So, Smogon, I put this to you. Am I dealing with bad parents, a bad collection of teenage hormones, or some mixture of the two?

I was in your exact same situation a couple of years ago. I was angsty and such and hated my parents for everything they did. They favored my sister. They were hard on me. Then I went to college and started actually doing everything myself.

I hope you realize exactly how wrong the bolded part of your quote is. From your post, it is very apparent that your parents do not physically or emotionally abuse you in any way. Your parents have financially and emotionally supported you for (guessing) 16 years. They gave you food, clothing, and shelter.

Think of it this way: do you think your father wanted to be working from 4 am till late at night? No, he did it because he needed to support his family and put food on the table. I would bet my bottom dollar that if he was given the choice between work and his family, he would choose his family every. single. time.

So if your parents snap at you, think of it from their view. They changed your shitty ass diapers for years. They shouldn't have to put up with your crap when you're 16.

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After calmly foregoing some of the sandwiches my mum had made (knowing that I don't like them, as I've told her at least thrice in the past two months)

#whitepeopleproblems my mom makes me food but i told her i dont like it she must hate me she never listens to me
 
hi i'm vader and i make long posts about myself even though i have class at 8am

From a young age, I have had to deal with a TIGER MOM and an alcoholic father. I was taught my alphabet at 18 months, and could read by the time I was 3 years old. I knew addition and subtraction by age 5 and multiplication by the time I entered the first grade at 6. My parents pushed me to succeed and, at the beginning, it worked. I stopped doing what they wanted around 7, and it went downhill from there.

My father was supportive when I was younger, and my mother accepting and caring. There were some hiccups, like when my father tried teaching 3-year-old me how to box, or when my mother lost her shit that I threw up every time she gave me vegetables, but that was fine. I would not have objected to living in that household. That changed when my father was laid off. For a year and a half, all he did was sit around the house, drinking and looking for jobs. I had been spanked as a child, but never hit. That changed too. My mother became unhappy, and started to get bitchier and bitchier. She baked less. She treated me worse.

I was bullied a lot in school. It started to follow me home. It was pretty innocuous at first, just mild jabs like "soccerball head" from a buzzed dad, "dumbshit" from a frustrated mom. It got worse. They started yelling at each other constantly, "drunken failure," "dumb chink," etc were thrown around. They started calling me retarded when I did poorly on tests, and I was frequently hit.

I had "behavioral issues" in school and, rather than medicating me as the school recommended, I was sent to therapy. I was given a "star sheet" in school, and for each third of the day was given a star if I listened intently and behaved. I preferred to read Harry Potter and Calvin and Hobbes. I learned everything, but they couldn't accept that I wanted to read while I did so. If I got less than 2 stars, I would spend my afternoon locked in the dark basement until dinner. I cried at first, mostly from fear of imagined monsters, but eventually I accepted it and made the most of it. I brought down flashlights to read, etc.

My father eventually got back on his feet and got a job. It was a better one than before, but had a long commute. He didn't get home until after I was asleep and left before I awoke. It was like heaven. My mother was still consistently a bitch, who would forbid me from social interaction if I didn't do all of my homework. To be fair, I was only around 9 at this point and should have been doing it, but I did not WANT to.

My father got a better job, yadda yadda, and eventually was laid off again. Why? Part of it was the alcoholism he never shook. A shot in the morning that wore off before he got to work, sure, but going out to the bar in the middle of the day? He was competent, but when they needed to cut some people out, the drunk arab was first on the chopping block. It was a dark time for the family.

I was 12 when he was laid off again. I was a lot more defiant than when I was younger, but also a lot bigger. He hit me more often and harder. It was awful. My mother continually snipped away at my crumbling self-esteem. I decided I didn't want to be like my parents, ever. I buried myself deeper into reading things, lots of it Wikipedia, and eventually I found the internet.

My father stopped hitting me when I turned 18, and I rarely speak with him. He started trying to spend more "quality time" with me before I left for college, but the memories of every game turning into a shouting match and eventually a beating made me a little sour to the idea.

I don't talk to them much now. I leech their money, but I don't want to associate with them beyond that. I'm grateful on some level that they finance me, but I also want to be a writer and they have expressly told me they disapprove, and incessantly remind me of it. But it's better than it's been. My mother is, overall, a good mother who always packed me lunch and made sure my ass was wiped. She just happened to whittle away at my self-esteem.

As for you, it sounds like your parents are just normal parents. They don't passive-aggressively attack you for every single mistake you make until the end of time. They don't consistently deliver ultimatums to kick you out of the house. They don't hit you or belittle you or even try and stop you from having friends.

I skipped over a lot of nice stuff my mom did, and I'm not sure if I made it clear that my father did TRY to connect with me and do father/son stuff. It just never ended well. This might sound like a "wah wah my life is so bad" post, but I don't mean it to, and idk I figured it'd be ok to post about myself since that's my favorite thing to talk about and I don't really like talking about my problems irl...........................................................sry
 
also once they caught me doin drugs and almost kicked me out but that one was not so bad in my book
 
I'm typing this all as I read through the thread.

Maybe your parents treat you differently intentionally. If your sister is immature like you say, perhaps they don't want you to become like that. It could just be tough love. If they think that you're mature they might be giving you the space to succeed on your own.

I don't know anything about your family though. Alternatively, your isolation might be alienating them. Try being cute/happy/friendly/positive around them (without straying from your regular behavior) and see if your rapport reestablishes/improves.

I agree with Jumpluff. Simply saying "no" could be construed as dismissive or rude.

I didn't have time to read the whole thread, but I'll post this stuff now and edit later.
 
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Not giving my life story or anything, if only because I need to go to bed, so take it with a grain of salt if you will but here goes.

I didn't have the worst parents ever. It's true. But for an autistic child, I had some of the worst parents at handling that. What I needed was things explained to me, but what I got was passive-aggressiveness from my mother and physical threats from my father when I persisted. Only after I moved out did they start to figure things out, because they treat my normal little brother like he is autistic (also not good).

Its not like I don't remember each and every awful thing they did, but forgiveness is a part of my beliefs so we are friendly. I'm just going to remember not to be like they were when I have kids.
 
I guess you have to remember that your parents when having your sister (who I assume is your eldest sibling, were trying to be the best possible parents they could be, and because they have (at the time) never had a kid before, then it is a whole new experience for them, maybe they dont want to be bad parents, which is why your dad worked (or still does) from morning to midnight. Im sure they want the best for you and your sister, and I 100% agree with JT Swift, at the possiblity because you are very mature you can handle yourself better than your sister.
 
If people doubt you I would suggest that you don't bother arguing as their minds are made up, you can only disprove them with actions rather than words.

Having read your post I have to conclude you've got a bit of a problem with the fact you feel your sister gets more parental attention from you. My mother once felt the same way about her older sister, thought she later realised that with all the attention comes a lot of unnecessary pressure too. What I'm getting at is just look to succeed and disregard if your parents are paying attention to you; if they don't have expectations or support you then their opinions on what you do can be safely ignored.


This being said; if someone (anyone) launched a tirade of insults at me (especially when I was your age), I'd explode back at them verbally (if not physically). I would not recommend this, especially if it's not your nature anyway.
 
Having read your post I have to conclude you've got a bit of a problem with the fact you feel your sister gets more parental attention from you. My mother once felt the same way about her older sister, thought she later realised that with all the attention comes a lot of unnecessary pressure too. What I'm getting at is just look to succeed and disregard if your parents are paying attention to you; if they don't have expectations or support you then their opinions on what you do can be safely ignored.

This is true, and a very good point. Impress them if they aren't expecting it, or even if they are -- you should succeed for yourself.

I can relate from the other side of the story. I grew up with very dysfunctional parents, in particular an emotionally and physically abusive father. Their relationship broke up when my mother had my one-year-younger brother (who my father did not want) and my doctors blamed my disability on my mother. This is because my father expected me, the daughter he wanted so badly, to make him proud, and now an obstacle was before me. My brother grew up with my father hating him for no reason, and until he was about ten, he craved the affection he didn't get, and after that, he began to despise my father and actively reject him back. Meanwhile, I was constantly praised for my successes, and I began to develop a fear that I would not be perfect enough and be rejected like my brother. That fear persists to this day, but I'm trying to work on succeeding for myself and not for others, and not relying so much on external validation. (When I became homeschooled, my father called me a dropout and jeered at me.)

Do I prefer my lot to that of my brother? Absolutely, I'm not complaining about being the favourite! I didn't grow up in anyone's shadow (probably felt more acutely because he's only a year younger than me) or ever felt like I was loved less, because I knew, and I still know (with my mother even admitting her guilt over it to me), that that's not the truth. On the other hand, I grew up desperately trying to meet inflated expectations of my talents, under pressure from my parents to follow my skills in a given area I never wanted to touch again (I talked to my mother about it many times and it finally stuck when I left school and wallowed in misery for a few years), feeling the constant need to win, because I saw what happened to my brother, and in my head, there evolved the idea that if I lost, I would not be loved.

I think I've told you that story before, Alch, but I couldn't remember, and I wanted to give you some food for thought, so that was the purpose of this story. If you don't have their pressure, you have the freedom to develop your talent for writing. Sucker punch them with it. What your teacher said is true: you lack self-confidence. It's hard to have it when your parents, who are supposed to emotionally nurture you and be supportive at least some of the time (constructive criticism, if not unadulterated praise), are whittling away at it, but you know yourself, and your successes, even if they don't bring the validation you may even subconsciously seek, should feel good for you too. Ultimately it's your life, and even if your parents won't praise you, you should develop your own path.

But I also agree with tennisace. When you grew up, I'm sure your father didn't want to work such long hours and miss his children growing up. Might it have created a rift? Absolutely, such distance is horrible in your formative years. Yet I'm sure that he loves you, even if he struggles to express it, and even as trite as that sounds. I'm pretty sure most parents love their children. It's common to clash when you're adolescent and hopefully your relationship will improve, even if it's only after you leave home. You're not beyond reconciliation, so retreating into yourself will only make the barrier between you that hard to destroy.
 
My Mum usually never listens to me and always sticks up for my sister but my dad is just too cool and I do like him but I hate when he talks about his life story.

Woot 100 POSTS
 
O.O Holy shit.
I can see you being possibly a quiet loner-type who is friendly, but intimidating. You have friends and people like you but you prefer being alone because you find socializing taxing. You respect authority, but you only do so on your own terms. You are the type that seeks criticism in search of praise which leads me to believe that you know how intelligent you are. Due to this fact, I could discern that you may regularly display this intelligence to your parents, expecting them to praise you when you do.
2 years ago this is me. As in complete dead ringer me. Now I'm a bit friendlier, more open, more mature but still, fuck thats creepy.
 
Alch, I feel you. Besides the part where you have a brain and wrote a novel and shit and i'm sort of an imbecile, my parents totally flip a shit every time I try to do anything. Basically, all I can say is that talking to them will most likely do shit all, so your best bet is to have good friends in lieu of a good family. That's what I try and do. Sorry for being the debbie downer on your relationship.
 
I'd just like to say two things.

I am very grateful for the number of responses to this thread, and to those people who are contributing their own experiences.

I do not think that my situation is the worst it could be, nor am I some sort of suicidal teenager. I did not make this thread for some sort of ego-inflation, or to solely combat my own problems -- which, I suppose, are quite minor in comparison to those which Tennisace described. What I have done is compiled in a post what I feel, and that is all.
 
Being a teenager can be rough because you (almost) have the mind of an adult, yet you aren't completely independent and still have to rely on your parents for things. Just remember your parents aren't perfect since they are human just like you, and don't try to let them treating you less than you would hope get you down. You do you and let them do them, you can be free from them once you're 18.

Personally for me when I was like 8-15 I hated my parents and thought they were terrible people because they just sat around all day and didn't want to do anything and yelled at me about school and chores, etc. Now I'm on pretty good terms with both of them and like them although my mom is still pretty naggy sometimes and they are kind of christian and uneducated which is annoying sometimes but oh well they are good people and they raise me and feed me so I can't complain.
 
i used to think my parents were delusional and at times extremely annoying... in retrospect i see that it was only my own immaturity
 
Is it something indicative of age when I somehow thought this thread would be about becoming a parent??? (not that I've got settling down anywhere on the radar yet)

serious response coming later.
 
First off, it's great that you decided to post this and get people's opinions.

We sound like around the same age. Loneliness (or at least an unrelenting feeling of it) is something I'm fighting right now as well. Now I haven't read every word of this thread so it may have slipped past me, but I have to wonder how you feel at school? At home I'm alone a lot of the time because of varying interests and introverted tendencies, but I do feel loved (I have a hard time relating to troubled home situations). At school, it's the desire for a real close relationship but the inability to find one yet that gets me. Bottom line is, are you finding that support with friends if not at home?

About your novel (with intrigues me from an artistic standpoint too :P), it's obvious you have a lot of jealousy toward your sister. Does she ever stand up for you, or go along with your parents? In any event, we've got the cliche case of an artist never appreciated in his time, or a prophet in his hometown, or a salmon in its birth stream. Now I don't know a thing about your novel, but it's very possible that because of the generation gap your parents aren't going to be as understanding and supportive. English teachers are a diverse bunch, but they in my experience they aren't fans of wordiness but that's just being professional. Bottom line for this one: Your accomplishments are important, you just need to find the people who also see that.

My third and final point to comment on is that you can't give up! You have, what, two years until independence, which you can live through even if they stay brutal. But as hard as it is don't write off your parents as irreconcilable. Be a good person to them and the rest of your family, and if things don't improve it's perfectly ok to say "I feel neglected" or something to that effect. It doesn't sound like your parents could possibly be naive to this but depending on your personality it really might be unnoticed.

Despite this probably being the first time I've talked to you, we at Smogon appreciate you!
 
You're parents are fucking awful Vader. Jesus christ, I can say that if I had that childhood i'd probably run away from home or worse. I feel like giving you an IRL hug. I know I shouldn't be saying this about other parents but URGH.

I was going to whine about my parents but they're aren't even that bad in retrospect.
 
Well, vader, at least your dad tried to get to know you for a short while when you were leaving for college, not that it matters. He probably didn't really see you as an actual unique person before but when he realized that you were actually leaving, it probably dawned on him that you were an adult who would most likely go through the same life he had. It might have been some kind of last ditch effort to break the chain of aggression that he had linked to you.

Don't take it out on yourself. You are better than your parents. Live your life happily and healthily; make friends; live up to your potential. Maybe try to apply for a job writing for sitcoms or comedy shows - you would probably be fantastic at that. Or would you rather write novels?


Also alchemator, i'm sorry, I didn't actually think you wrote this to inflate your ego.
 
You shouldn't care less about anyone thinks about you other than yourself...

Loneliness is always horrible, and feeling that you're alone and that even your "safe zone" is awful, complete crap, still parents (at least ok ones, the decent-human-being kind) never stop loving their children, even if they don't show it they do, for what i read i would say they're stressed out, even for financial or work issues or their own marriage, they just need a scape valve, and sadly that was you right there, talking it's the only thing you could do that has a chance of working since everything else will probably result in something that will hurt you more than anyone else

i shall now, i lived the whole absent working father with a mother thing, little sister that took all the attention (while i got all the shouts whenever i got an anything below nine), and to top it all, i knew that i likes guys since i was like 4 (damn telenovelas), which made all the much harder to connect with my father whenever he actually was in here, everything i did was to please them, i only got high notes, got into the honor roll, win national math contest, all to get just a little bit of attention, and in the end what they said was "why couldn't you beat that kid?" or "i told you, you should have studied more", that's the kind of stuff that beats your self steem when you're in middle school, that and bullying is what made me such an unhappy person for so many years, yet, high school came and i said FUCK IT!, i stopped caring about the things everyone tought about me, i lost weight and started caring more about me, everyone elses opinions could suck it, in the end, i ended coming out (and going to teraphy) but after all that my relationship with my parents is at least ok (they ignore the whole secual part but whatever), and now that i'm alone in college i have to say that i somehow miss them (altough i don't want to go back anytime soon since i saw them every other weekend), and now my little sister (little miss perfect that never got shout in her life even when she got 7s) is now passing for the same, their relationship is like mine with them for the past 6 years, and it's a little refresing to see it from here, and to pass some of the information that helped me survive, i think parents just want the best for their kids, even if that best is not really true, just don't let them get into you whenever they explode on you and try to talk with them, i think it will at least help to start a new relationship

PS: look out for yourslef, for whatever makes you happy, and what YOU want for YOUR life, anyone else can f*** their opinions
 
you'll realize around the time you turn 18 that your parents are pretty smart and do the things they do because they don't want you to become a douchemissile. Until then they really will annoy you because teenagers don't care about their future, they care about the present (high school) and nothing is more important.
 
Well, I suppose I should chip in as a resident old fart, even though a few others have already kinda touched on what I want to say. Basically, you're not wrong to feel upset about this shit, but you are wildly misinterpreting your parents motivations (imo), which is pretty typical for a teen. You seem to think that they're out to get you or that whenever they do something that upsets you, it must be on purpose because they don't care about you. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that's totally off the mark.

It's especially noticable in that paragraph about the sandwiches (unintentionally hilarious, btw) and your mum asking about your homework. First off, uncaring/bad parents don't usually go out of their way to make food especially for their kids, nor do they ask whether they've been doing their homework. Second of all, you seemed to take both of these things as an attack, when it's really just an issue of making sure you're fed and you're getting the most out of your education.

Thirdly, which links into my next point, I think you're like most teens and don't really understand the power dynamics while you're living with your parents. You play by their rules unless you can muster up the money to move out and support yourself, because you can't be an independent person while living off their dime in their house. I don't think isolation is the key because, you know, you're still getting fed and supported by them (I heard this was one of Stalin's preferred torture techniques).

I think the key to fixing your issues is to sit down with both your parents and talk to them about how you're feeling, mostly in regards to the lack of support for your writing. Tell them you don't feel like they're being supportive enough, and try and avoid bringing up your sister, who probably doesn't deserve all this scorn on your end. If that doesn't work? Well, to be blunt, your issues are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. You'll get over it. I'm sure you'll look back on this in 5-10 years and laugh about it, no matter how deathly serious things seem to you right now.

Now, on a final, and kind of douchey note (can't really work out a nice way to say this)... I'd recommend going back to your dad and asking what he thought was weird about your novel, if you haven't already. None of us can really give any sort of feedback on it without reading it, but I will say that if you write novels like you wrote that original post... I would find it incredibly difficult to get through. I have a feeling that your sister probably writes in more accessible language... that or she writes Twilight fanfiction and your parents both wish they had an Edward in their lives.
 
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