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Pokémon Let's Go! - Pikachu and Eevee
- Thread starter Codraroll
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So true
So, some thoughts about the announcement:
0:30: Yes, this ancient box that has glowing neon red and blue strips on either side. Clearly primitive technology...
0:55: And you're not suspicious of that? All of the sudden there are dozens of Ditto who know what Meltan looks like? Like even if many are just imitating another Ditto they saw, that still means there has to be an originator. Either there's a wild Meltan somewhere or a really old Ditto that remembers Meltan and for some reason transformed into it. How old can a Ditto be?
0:59: Um, how do you know that? This is your first time seeing a Meltan. Also when you do see an actual one later it looks exactly as Ditto transformed into so what finer details are you talking about?
1:04: Sure Professor Oak, but where are we going to keep all that Moo Moo Milk?
1:26: Oh, and the ancient box also has a white glowing Poke Ball logo on top. Those nutty ancient civilizations with their tablet writing and electronic wiring.
2:01: So the natural habitat of Meltan, a Pokemon that eats metal, is a mountain forest? And I'm sure the moisture in the air did wonders for getting rid of that rust...
2:17: UM, THAT'S CONCERNING. They're multiplying pretty rapidly. What's causing them to multiply? Is the area Willow in full or natural underground metals that the Meltan are absorbing up? If so that's a natural disaster waiting to happen, on top of a metal eater rapidly multiplying and looking for more metal!
2:37: You know this box is sounding like it's the cousin to Pandora's Box...
And of course we gotta talk about this:
Now one thing I was going to comment on was how, for a Mythical Pokemon, sounds like Meltan is going to be VERY easy to get a lot of. Kind of defeats the point of it being a Mythical. Unless, of course, Meltan as we know it now isn't the goal. By now Meltan seems to be having a Grey Goo-thing going on. Grey Goo is actually an end-of-the-world scenario, where self-replicating nanomachines are created and they start to break things down and build more and more of themselves until they've converted everything they could into a copy of a self-replicating nanomachine. Whenever fiction uses this scenario, often they have the nanomachines create more complicated bodies, like how Zygarde is just a batch of Cells and Cores. So, maybe they're trying to do another Zygarde: while we can use Meltan on its own, what you actually want to do is get as many as you can so that they can fuse together and eventually make Perfect Forme Meltan. Pokemon Fusion isn't unheard of, you can fuse Reshiram or Zekrom with Kyurem and you can break down a 10% and 50% Zygarde that doesn't have Power Construct.
Of course, this does raise a few concerns. First off, how would this work stat wise? Do you have one main Meltan you just have absorbing all other Meltan so its Nature, IVs, and EVs are the one calculated for? When it becomes "Perfect Form" does it stay that way now or can it revert back, and if it can revert back do you get all the Meltan you used to make it back or are they gone for good but the main Meltan can now freely change between forms? If the latter is the case, making it similar to Zygarde, then how strong is base Meltan then? It can't have that good of stats because otherwise players wouldn't want to turn them into its "Perfect Form" and lose them, you want players to use all Meltan they get to turn it into its Perfect Form. But then what's the point of making Meltan its own Pokemon, why not make it unusable like the Zygarde Cells and Cores?
0:30: Yes, this ancient box that has glowing neon red and blue strips on either side. Clearly primitive technology...
0:55: And you're not suspicious of that? All of the sudden there are dozens of Ditto who know what Meltan looks like? Like even if many are just imitating another Ditto they saw, that still means there has to be an originator. Either there's a wild Meltan somewhere or a really old Ditto that remembers Meltan and for some reason transformed into it. How old can a Ditto be?
0:59: Um, how do you know that? This is your first time seeing a Meltan. Also when you do see an actual one later it looks exactly as Ditto transformed into so what finer details are you talking about?
1:04: Sure Professor Oak, but where are we going to keep all that Moo Moo Milk?
1:26: Oh, and the ancient box also has a white glowing Poke Ball logo on top. Those nutty ancient civilizations with their tablet writing and electronic wiring.
2:01: So the natural habitat of Meltan, a Pokemon that eats metal, is a mountain forest? And I'm sure the moisture in the air did wonders for getting rid of that rust...
2:17: UM, THAT'S CONCERNING. They're multiplying pretty rapidly. What's causing them to multiply? Is the area Willow in full or natural underground metals that the Meltan are absorbing up? If so that's a natural disaster waiting to happen, on top of a metal eater rapidly multiplying and looking for more metal!
2:37: You know this box is sounding like it's the cousin to Pandora's Box...
And of course we gotta talk about this:
Now one thing I was going to comment on was how, for a Mythical Pokemon, sounds like Meltan is going to be VERY easy to get a lot of. Kind of defeats the point of it being a Mythical. Unless, of course, Meltan as we know it now isn't the goal. By now Meltan seems to be having a Grey Goo-thing going on. Grey Goo is actually an end-of-the-world scenario, where self-replicating nanomachines are created and they start to break things down and build more and more of themselves until they've converted everything they could into a copy of a self-replicating nanomachine. Whenever fiction uses this scenario, often they have the nanomachines create more complicated bodies, like how Zygarde is just a batch of Cells and Cores. So, maybe they're trying to do another Zygarde: while we can use Meltan on its own, what you actually want to do is get as many as you can so that they can fuse together and eventually make Perfect Forme Meltan. Pokemon Fusion isn't unheard of, you can fuse Reshiram or Zekrom with Kyurem and you can break down a 10% and 50% Zygarde that doesn't have Power Construct.
Of course, this does raise a few concerns. First off, how would this work stat wise? Do you have one main Meltan you just have absorbing all other Meltan so its Nature, IVs, and EVs are the one calculated for? When it becomes "Perfect Form" does it stay that way now or can it revert back, and if it can revert back do you get all the Meltan you used to make it back or are they gone for good but the main Meltan can now freely change between forms? If the latter is the case, making it similar to Zygarde, then how strong is base Meltan then? It can't have that good of stats because otherwise players wouldn't want to turn them into its "Perfect Form" and lose them, you want players to use all Meltan they get to turn it into its Perfect Form. But then what's the point of making Meltan its own Pokemon, why not make it unusable like the Zygarde Cells and Cores?
Tecnically Mythicals are defined by their limited and generally event-wide availability.
If the availability of Meltan in Go is temporary, it will eventually become unobtainable / rare.
It's not much different than having the mon distributed via wi-fi or at a big eveng.
Honestly I think they gave up with the "poke ball lore" ages ago. The existance of two pokemon lines strictly resembling Pokeballs one of which was already existing before pokeballs got invented (Voltorb/Electrode family) already breaks any possible "lore" behind them :D
I'm fine with it having the Poke Ball logo. We've established that somehow the Poke Ball logo had existed a long time before the actual Poke Ball was invented (maybe Arceus inserted the knowledge of the Poke Ball into the human subconscious and it wasn't until modern times were humans finally able to create the Poke Ball, the ultimate tool that bonded people with Pokemon). But, like with the red and blue strips, it's glowing like a LED light.
Aliens bro :D
...I mean... it's not impossible to have pre-existing alien civilizations technically, several extraterrestrial pokemon exist (without even mentioning UBs) and Deoxys itself is shown to be able to survive in space, so ultimately the idea of a extinct ancient civilization isn't impossible in Pokemon world.
.....I really think trying to find logic in Pokemon universe is a excessive and not worthy task :D
I just realized something. The title for these games isn't a strange variant of Pokémon Go's title, as I had assumed ever since it was announced.
Go back to the very beginning of Pokémon. Aaaaaall the way back to RBY. The first thing that greets you after you click "New Game" is Professor Oak giving a short introduction speech It is recorded beautifully here, background music at all. What is the last thing Oak says in this introduction speech?
They had planned this all along...
Go back to the very beginning of Pokémon. Aaaaaall the way back to RBY. The first thing that greets you after you click "New Game" is Professor Oak giving a short introduction speech It is recorded beautifully here, background music at all. What is the last thing Oak says in this introduction speech?
They had planned this all along...
Lockstin: "It all comes together!"
Damn I didn't even think of mystery gifts or events being in this game since it feels so different and the mythicals were already accounted for. I guess they could release some item packs for pre-order or some event moves or shinies later. Chansey's actually alright as a prize because it's probably going to be hard to find without Go transferring, we've at least seen it as a 1% in route 6.
I mulled about making a thread for this, but ehh that might be a bit extreme!
So with Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee going on tour in several locations, I was wondering if anyone here whose located close to the demos wanted to test to see if EV boosts are being applied. All of the demo footage I've seen are of people who haven't really been playing with that in mind.
I think the way to set up this experiment is to record the demo (this seems to be allowed but I could be wrong), check the stats of a Pokemon that isnt Pikachu or Eevee (this is because we don't have their exact base stats for the starters), and check again after you get 4 EVs of something.
Since the Pokemon are low leveled, this is gonna be pretty tough, but there are a few scenarios where 4 EVs would make a difference (such as a Charmander with perfect HP at level 10). I'd also check the Pokemon's first stage page for their characterisic (which could let us narrow the IV range down), and after a level up in case this game doesn't apply EVs till level up.
Here are the demo locations for the US at least, it'd be great if we got some Smogonites to test stuff out in the demo!
https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/d...-trip-across-the-us-to-demo-new-pokemon-games
One last thing: the main reason I'm interested is mostly because of that infamous screenshot on the American site that gives Pikachu a higher SpA stat than either Alakazam (if Modest), or Mewtwo (if neutral natured), which is nuts and WAY beyond estimates of other starter chu's stats (which tend to be in similar ranges). Makes me think that either the stat system was changed, or something funky is going on with Pikachu (maybe upgradable stats?)
So with Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee going on tour in several locations, I was wondering if anyone here whose located close to the demos wanted to test to see if EV boosts are being applied. All of the demo footage I've seen are of people who haven't really been playing with that in mind.
I think the way to set up this experiment is to record the demo (this seems to be allowed but I could be wrong), check the stats of a Pokemon that isnt Pikachu or Eevee (this is because we don't have their exact base stats for the starters), and check again after you get 4 EVs of something.
Since the Pokemon are low leveled, this is gonna be pretty tough, but there are a few scenarios where 4 EVs would make a difference (such as a Charmander with perfect HP at level 10). I'd also check the Pokemon's first stage page for their characterisic (which could let us narrow the IV range down), and after a level up in case this game doesn't apply EVs till level up.
Here are the demo locations for the US at least, it'd be great if we got some Smogonites to test stuff out in the demo!
https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/d...-trip-across-the-us-to-demo-new-pokemon-games
One last thing: the main reason I'm interested is mostly because of that infamous screenshot on the American site that gives Pikachu a higher SpA stat than either Alakazam (if Modest), or Mewtwo (if neutral natured), which is nuts and WAY beyond estimates of other starter chu's stats (which tend to be in similar ranges). Makes me think that either the stat system was changed, or something funky is going on with Pikachu (maybe upgradable stats?)
I am glad to see several animations got updated and fancier versions but....
The actual fuck is this D:
I think it’s Guillotine.
I am more on the lines of it being Fissure.
Guillotine is supposed to "cut the pokemon in half" or something on those lines, while Fissure was about being swallowed to the ground.
Also quoting from serebii:
@ 16:56: In addition to this, the first details have come out from a media tour game director Junichi Masuda held in Frankfurt Germany and in New York. Not much new information was revealed here, but to Polygon, Masuda mentioned that the post-game contains various Master Trainers, some really powerful trainers that you will have to power up your Pokémon to defeat
@ 17:14: The Spanish site, Vandal, elaborates on this further and states that there are 151 Master Trainers, one for each of the original Pokémon. Each of these will focus on the species of Pokémon so you have to defeat them all. So if you find the Squirtle Master Trainer, you will defeat him and gain the title
Poggers, actual postgame? 6 magikarp guy is this you finally getting things done?
I dunno. It sounds like a simplified battle tower if it’s about defeating Pokémon in a row. Though I wonder how challenging it will be.
It sounds more like simply having "specialists" like the Eevee specialists in USUM than a battle facility.
Though, while some could be interesting, others feel... pointless. What's the use for a Caterpie or Kakuna specialist? It'd make more sense to have "evolutive family" specialists instead.
To me it sounds like you go around in the world after the game's done and you can find new trainers that have super EV'd mons/movesets, maybe also taking advantage of the candy statboosts. Can't wait for the 6 Mew and Mewtwo trainer fights. Who knows, maybe they'll take the opportunity to have some moveset buffs. I'd say the trainers with pokemon next to them in the videos could be some of these Master Trainers.
By the way the exact polygon quote is “A good portion of the more difficult stuff is in the post-game. There’s ways to strengthen your Pokémon, and the reason you wanna do that is, you take on these master trainers, these really powerful trainers that you encounter after the main story.”
EDIT: Just noticed the website calls them Partner Pikachu/Eevee, with all that other partner talk I guess those will be the forme names.
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It's nice to see there's actually going to be a post-game of sorts instead of just Mewtwo. It actually makes me a little more interested into this game.
Also, the requirement to face Misty's gym is... to have at least one Pokemon at level 15 or above in your party. Most pointless requirement ever, as you'd have to be doing it on purpose to not fulfill it in older games.
Also, the requirement to face Misty's gym is... to have at least one Pokemon at level 15 or above in your party. Most pointless requirement ever, as you'd have to be doing it on purpose to not fulfill it in older games.
Commercial didn't really show anything new (except the appearance of some trainer classes), couple of things I noticed:
1. They really advertised the Alolan variants are in the game.
2. Looks like the Seafoam Islands are keeping their icy makeover they got from HGSS (granted it always had an association with ice due to being the nest of Articuno, but it wasn't until HGSS did they actually add ice to it).
Like, at least with Brock's requirement it does tell you the two Types that would be very effective against Brock's Pokemon, which to new players would be helpful advice. But this? This is like asking if one of your Pokemon has a STAB move. Maybe if it asked for like half or even all your team to be over Level 15 then maybe it would have some purpose, teaching a player they shouldn't be going into a battle with only one strong Pokemon just in case it faints and you're left with all low level Pokemon, but just seeing one at a level that isn't even sufficient to fight Misty is completely pointless.
GameFreak, what's your thinking here? Because what I'm getting is that you have feelings of contempt toward the players.
1. They really advertised the Alolan variants are in the game.
2. Looks like the Seafoam Islands are keeping their icy makeover they got from HGSS (granted it always had an association with ice due to being the nest of Articuno, but it wasn't until HGSS did they actually add ice to it).
It's Guillotine. Guillotine's Japanese name is "Pincer Guillotine" with the description "A vicious, tearing attack with big pincers". While Gen VII for some reason made the animation giant scissors, older animations looked like this:
Hmm, I agree with Worldie that 151 trainers are a bit much and they should have just had one trainer for each evolution family (maybe a few extra for the Alolan variants or maybe some other themes). But it does sound like a neat little scavenger hunt, especially if their locations aren't based on where you find their Pokemon so you could encounter any trainer (like the Mewtwo Master is right next to the Caterpie Master). Though still that's more of a side activity than any meaty post game content. I don't think we've yet heard word on their being a post game "Episode" like we had for other recent games.
Unless they're all Level 100 I still don't see players having much difficulty with Magikarp or Caterpie and the many other basic stages.
Level 15... Misty's weakest Pokemon is her Staryu at Level 18. Brock's Pokemon are only a few levels below 15. Why the nearby wild Pokemon are probably at or above 15! As you said, you'd have to be on purposely either not battling or constantly switching out your Pokemon so none get to Level 15...
Like, at least with Brock's requirement it does tell you the two Types that would be very effective against Brock's Pokemon, which to new players would be helpful advice. But this? This is like asking if one of your Pokemon has a STAB move. Maybe if it asked for like half or even all your team to be over Level 15 then maybe it would have some purpose, teaching a player they shouldn't be going into a battle with only one strong Pokemon just in case it faints and you're left with all low level Pokemon, but just seeing one at a level that isn't even sufficient to fight Misty is completely pointless.
GameFreak, what's your thinking here? Because what I'm getting is that you have feelings of contempt toward the players.
I've never been so uninterested/unexcited about a Pokemon game that I'm still debating whether or not to get it a month before release. Few, if not none, of the features and elements they've implemented into the game entice me, and every new piece of information lately just seems to be extra. Tying it in with Go is just unnecessary, I'd much rather the two be completely separate. While the game does look aesthetically pleasing, graphics and details have always been pretty low on my priority list when it comes to games. Getting to ride on certain Pokemon is cool, but for sure that'll get old after two or three rides.
Also, 151 trainers? Yeah after a certain point, quests just become chores.
Maybe I'll get it if it ever goes on sale...
Also, 151 trainers? Yeah after a certain point, quests just become chores.
Maybe I'll get it if it ever goes on sale...
Thinking of it, seeing the game borrows a few things from Go, i could see those "Master Trainers" potentially be similar to Go Raids, with particularly buffed up version of the Pokemon. Ultimately Go Raids themselves arent that much different from Totem battles in concept either so it's not particularly new...
This.
But I kind of see where Nintendo are going with this. Why wouldn't you want the hundreds of millions of Pokemon Go players to buy a Switch? If you see it as primarily a business enterprise rather than an artistic endeavour, it makes an awful lot more sense.