• Check out the relaunch of our general collection, with classic designs and new ones by our very own Pissog!

Pokemon Black and White (SPECULATIONS ALLOWED HERE)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Enygma said:
http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/pokemon/v001.html

According to that official website, there's a new Pokemon with Dex #000 (first tab on the left, last drop-down), known as the "Phantom Pokemon". What do you guys think about it? I mean, why is it so special that it deserves Dex #000. Does it really exist? Or is it all just an inception planted in our minds?

The only Pokemon with Dex #000... Interesting...
Click to expand...

Let's get this misconception out of the way immediately-- "Phantom Pokemon" is localized as "Mirage Pokemon" as of 4th gen (and Mew has always been callled a mirage I believe). This is the official name for the archetype of Pokemon with base 100-in-everything, like Mew and Shaymin.


Since you seem to be late to the party, Victiny is Fire/Psychic.
 
While the idea of a 'cow flamethrowing from its butt' would be cool, I highly doubt they'd make it.

As for Water/Fire, it's an interesting typing, it could be an underwater volcano, or a steam Pokemon with a signature water move that has a chance to burn, now that I want.
 
Ming-Ming said:
B/W are confirmed to be DS games, not DSi games. They're simply enhanced on the DSi.

I've been making a comic of my run in PBR tbh, so it'd be interesting to see some "blind" runs of B/W around, hopefully without my style of comedy of mocking the RNG for letting the opponent CH/Cause 10% Status Effect/Etc. on me.
Click to expand...

I know that. I meant that the implementation of these DSi features would make emulation harder. My bad for being so inaccurate, sry.

@HolyChipmunk It´s some kind of labyrinth game, where you can get eveelutions, which can be sent to your B/W game later, if you have the japanese version.
I didn´t try it yet. The link should be on one of the last few pages as well as a translation for the registration window.
 
water/fire torkoal with 'blast furnace' ability where when it get hit by a water move it does damage but its evasion goes up by one o.O
 
Breludicolo said:
Problem is torkoal is so lackluster because of his fire type

Sticking a water type there does not help because at the end of the day, torkoal still has a weakness to rock and ground... sure he has STAB to hit them with but something like rhyperior will not care, will sub, and will EQ.
Click to expand...


Why wouldn't Rhyperior care? We are talking about a potential evolution of Torkoal, not Torkoal. The evolution could have enough defensive stats to take an EQ, and high enough special attack to 1HKO Rhyperior with STAB Surf.

Also how exactly would Rhyperior get a substitute up? What 4x effective move is going to do less than 25% to Rhyperior?
 
if it did get a 3 evo line i want a ROM hack of pokemon turtle edition where the starters could be blastoise, torkoal, and torterra
 
Seriin said:
Torkoal burning coal inside its body for energy does however allude to a steam engine, as well the pokedex does make mention of a locomotive. It isn't completely unfounded to relate Torkoal to steam. I'm not saying he is steam incarnate, but a subtle connection is there.
Click to expand...

Yes but there's no steam, at all. You can even Ctrl + F on his Bulbapedia page; you won't find anything.

Bulbapedia said:
Like many fire Pokémon, it has a place inside its body where it keeps its fire. This system is powered by burning coal.

Torkoal are usually calm if left undisturbed. If angered, they belch black smoke from the burning coal inside their shells and flee.

Torkoal lives in mountains near volcanoes in search of coal.

This Pokémon feeds mostly on coal for internal combustion. It fills hollow spaces on its shell with the coal and burns it to generate energy.
Click to expand...

A steam engine, meanwhile, burns coal in order to boil water. Torkoal really has no relation to it at all. Besides, why have Fire/Water when you can have Fire/Steel or Fire/Ground? Those seem like much more likely bets, and they'd help it more competitively. It's not like it'd be outclassed by Heatran, either, since it has a gigantic Defense stat, Rapid Spin, and Yawn.
 
Even though it wouldn't be very useful in the current metagame (Rock, Ground and Electric attacks are very common), I've always wanted a Fire/Water type. If Torkoal's evo was Fire/Water I guess it could learn Water Spout and Eruption! Now we just need an ability that raises speed! I probs want a Grass/Fire type more though, as they actually cover each other very well (Overheat + Leaf Storm ftw).
 
Voltres said:
Even though it wouldn't be very useful in the current metagame (Rock, Ground and Electric attacks are very common), I've always wanted a Fire/Water type. If Torkoal's evo was Fire/Water I guess it could learn Water Spout and Eruption! Now we just need an ability that raises speed! I probs want a Grass/Fire type more though, as they actually cover each other very well (Overheat + Leaf Storm ftw).
Click to expand...

Fire/Grass with Chlorophyll is my dream pokemon.
 
torkoal doesn't release steam, its smoke. but i do like the idea of a torkoal evo.
fire/water or ground or steel all soud like interesting combos...

@NGC-2024: that is an unstoppable power house of awesomeness.
 
Just a thought. . . What if Torkoal could only evolve in Black City/White Forest, and it's evos were a cleaner energy source (steam), and an industrial one (a steel furnace)?

@"Torkoal releases smoke not steam"

Yeah that's why it evolves.
 
Chateau said:
Just a thought. . . What if Torkoal could only evolve in Black City/White Forest, and it's evos were a cleaner energy source (steam), and an industrial one (a steel furnace)?

@"Torkoal releases smoke not steam"

Yeah that's why it evolves.
Click to expand...

There's usually some sort of flavor connection between evolutions. A land tortoise that uses coal to fuel its own fire evolving into a part Water-type tortoise (which in itself doesn't make much sense) that uses steam. First of all, tortoises don't live in water. It's kind of hard to be a Water-type without having a pre-evolution that lives in water, too, or at the very least can swim in water (see Poliwag > Poliwrath).

I mean, you guys are really stretching this idea. You could technically claim ANY Pokemon could evolve into a part Water-type Pokemon, but of course we're not out there speculating a Camerupt evolution.
 
who said a tortiose can't swim. i kno its aint likely to have a part water evo, but it i haven't seen anything saying "torkoal can't swim", If it can it probaly doesn't cuz it'll hurt it. but if it had to, i bet torkoal would swim away (then again, so would charmander). but im not saying it can swim (rhydon can, so why not?), or that it'll have a water evo. but it'd be cool if it did. and there are sea turtles. im definately saying there are sea turtles.
 
@blasphemy1

That is why I said it was a subtle connection or an allusion toward. It wouldn't be an allusion if it was directly stated. Moreso, the idea of them being linked is there so the idea itself isn't wrong. I didn't say it was right either, though. What I'm getting it is that I don't disagree with you, but I also don't dismiss the opposing idea.

Right now we're at a "it isn't confirmed, so it is false". It doesn't say he uses is coal fuel like a steam engine does, it also doesn't say that is doesn't. All it says is that he burns coal for energy and produces thick smoke in doing so. These are two properties of coal burning power plants, which is why I called it an allusion. Now I kinda want to dissect a Torkoal to find out how it makes energy out of coal. -.-;

With all that derailing nonesense being said, I agree with you that Fire/Steel is preferable. Fire/water wouldn't help him much at all. Flavour wise, /water would only hinder the energy producing process whereas /steel would allow Tork to better contain the energy it produces.

EDIT: I spent a lot of time writing this lol, it was a reply to Blasphemy1's reply to my reply.
Also @Torkoal making smoke not steam: So did steam trains and so do coal power plants (which use a steam turbine). If they released the steam as exhaust then it would be much much less efficient.
 
blasphemy1 said:
There's usually some sort of flavor connection between evolutions. A land tortoise that uses coal to fuel its own fire evolving into a part Water-type tortoise (which in itself doesn't make much sense) that uses steam. First of all, tortoises don't live in water. It's kind of hard to be a Water-type without having a pre-evolution that lives in water, too, or at the very least can swim in water (see Poliwag > Poliwrath).

I mean, you guys are really stretching this idea. You could technically claim ANY Pokemon could evolve into a part Water-type Pokemon, but of course we're not out there speculating a Camerupt evolution.
Click to expand...

Let's just reduce it to the mechanism inside Torkoal. We know there are hot coals which produce "White Smoke". That could reasonably evolve into hot coals which heat water to produce steam. And there have been plenty of changes through evolution that technically change the species of the base animal, but without any aesthetic consequence. (See Charmander -> Charmeleon, Cyndaquil -> Quilava -> Typhlosion, etc) Furthermore, GF uses turtles and tortoises pretty much interchangably. Squirtle evolves into Blastoise, Turtwig into Torterra. The two families aren't really different in the pokeworld.
 
satchmo said:
who said a tortiose can't swim. i kno its aint likely to have a part water evo, but it i haven't seen anything saying "torkoal can't swim", If it can it probaly doesn't cuz it'll hurt it. but if it had to, i bet torkoal would swim away (then again, so would charmander). but im not saying it can swim (rhydon can, so why not?), or that it'll have a water evo. but it'd be cool if it did. and there are sea turtles. im definately saying there are sea turtles.
Click to expand...

Tortoises are terrestrial; they live on land. Their shells are too large and their limbs aren't powerful enough to move through water. Turtles live in the water and on land. Turtles have much smaller shells and their limbs are more adept for swimming. Sea turtles are not tortoises, they have flippers.

@ Chateau: Pokemon names really mean nothing. I don't know what Blastoise's Japanese name is, but that's besides the point. Blastoise can swim, so he's obviously more based upon a turtle rather than a tortoise (Blastoise just sounds better than Blasturtle).

Look, we can argue about this all day, but in the end there is absolutely nothing suggesting Torkoal would evolve into a Fire/Water Pokemon. You cannot argue something by stating "there's precedence, therefore it could happen" otherwise everything that has happened would happen again.
 
blasphemy1 said:
@ Chateau: Pokemon names really mean nothing. I don't know what Blastoise's Japanese name is, but that's besides the point. Blastoise can swim, so he's obviously more based upon a turtle rather than a tortoise (Blastoise just sounds better than Blasturtle).
Click to expand...

My point is that by using turtles' and tortoises' names for the same meaning, they clearly don't care whether a Pokemon is a turtle or tortoise.

Also, Torkoal is neither a turtle, nor a tortoise. It's a pokemon that looks like a tortoise. So it can evolve into a Pokemon that looks like a flying tortoise if it feels like it. (Actually a really cool myth) Or a pokemon that looks like a dragon in a tortoise shell. Or even a Pokekemon that more closely resembles. . . a turtle.

And you're right, there's nothing suggesting Torkoal -> Fire/Water. But there's nothing suggesting anything else, so we can dream.
 
1: anything is possible.
2: species evolution--> wingull to peliper. type evolution--> seedot to nuzleaf
3: its just speculation. whether or not he gets an evolution doesnt mean a damn to me. we can hope. or just not think about it. speaking of which how did the "fire/water" subject start? i came late to the discussion.
 
R_N said:
The anime and PBR show Skuntank shooting flamethrower out of its mouth

but we know

deep down we know the truth.
Click to expand...

Negative, captain. Skunktank shoots poison and flames from the tip of it's tail, not from it's butt. It's tail happens to rest on it's head.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top