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Pokemon Platinum - The definitive thread: Mach 3 (Competitive Discussion)
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Celebi fails . Go go signal beam.
Poor entei, wonder what it could possibly get.
Poor entei, wonder what it could possibly get.
Just remember not to get too excited too fast. In theory, this is theorymon til most of this gets tested. I can see the big improvements, but we don't know for sure how well they'll actually do, and if what we have right now actually has a way around it.
My biggest concern is that this is going to take a lot of the Pokemon we use now, down a notch or two (or even three).
But I can also see a lot more diversity coming. A lot of UU people got some great moves, which means we might be seeing a lot of new stuff. Which sounds like fun. And we're all for that, aren't we?
My biggest concern is that this is going to take a lot of the Pokemon we use now, down a notch or two (or even three).
But I can also see a lot more diversity coming. A lot of UU people got some great moves, which means we might be seeing a lot of new stuff. Which sounds like fun. And we're all for that, aren't we?
It's a little better than that! Lucario no longer needs to decide between Crunch/Stone Edge/Hidden Power Ice in that last slot as Ice Punch neatly wraps up the best qualities of those three moves. +2 Ice Punch OHKO's Gengar and is only marginally weaker against Celebi. Bulky Zapdos is no longer a counter and Salamence seriously needs to watch it's step when switching in. Best of all Gliscor has got no chance. Bullet Punch is the only other move worth considering now.
Choice Band Lucario is also looking pretty viable now. RIP SpecsLuke. :(
I really did like specsluke ,I never even used SD luke. Shocking, I know. But choice band Luke is looking like the way I'm going to be going.
Also, Empoleon get's knock off? I already find that special wall empoleon fits 4 moves nicely. Knock is going to fit him well though.
I agree with you Johto. That was the first thing I thought when I saw his name up there.
According to the Smogon description as it is, Drifblim can't speed itself up when getting rid of its item through Trick. I guess this is because he'd be getting a new item in return or something.
Signal Beam is kind of crappy, I see little use for it outside of killing Celebi. It does hit SE on two things that fare well against Psychics, but generally Focus Blast does the job against Dark dudes anyway.
Outrage on Salamence is obviously awesome. For Nidoking, it's unSTABed, so often I would prefer to be able to switch between effective or neutral moves, rather than being locked into Outrage that never surpasses 120 base power. I'm not seeing the hype.
To be honest, I'm really not seeing any drastic tier changes through this at all. It's Emerald's Metal Sound Zapdos all over again, rather than the huge shift FRLG's Seismic Toss/Thunder Wave/Substitute caused.
That said, this is all theorymon.
Signal Beam is kind of crappy, I see little use for it outside of killing Celebi. It does hit SE on two things that fare well against Psychics, but generally Focus Blast does the job against Dark dudes anyway.
Outrage on Salamence is obviously awesome. For Nidoking, it's unSTABed, so often I would prefer to be able to switch between effective or neutral moves, rather than being locked into Outrage that never surpasses 120 base power. I'm not seeing the hype.
To be honest, I'm really not seeing any drastic tier changes through this at all. It's Emerald's Metal Sound Zapdos all over again, rather than the huge shift FRLG's Seismic Toss/Thunder Wave/Substitute caused.
That said, this is all theorymon.
Could you check to see if Breloom can still learn ThunderPunch from the tutor?
outrage mence is pretty cool but im more excited about bibarel / crobat / scizor / lucario and to an extent gallade (;_;)
also shiftry as noted below ;D
the problem with cb luke is that we take his high attack for garnted but id probably want to use jolly and with cb that's only a net like.... 10% gain in power over the regular adamant lifeorb set =|
sdless luke?
also shiftry as noted below ;D
the problem with cb luke is that we take his high attack for garnted but id probably want to use jolly and with cb that's only a net like.... 10% gain in power over the regular adamant lifeorb set =|
sdless luke?
Reason #126748 why Poliwrath is Tyranitar's best general counter? (Along with Hariyama for similar reasons)
Nothing says "lolTar" like getting stuck Aqua Tailing Poliwrath.
This is only a list of Pokemon confirmed when used by the CPU in Battle Frontier. It's hardly all-inclusive.
It'll be interesting to see how restrictive the better moves like Vacuum Wave and Earth Power end up being distributed. The most remarkable aspect of the current list is surely how widespread Superpower is given out, even on stuff like Flareon and Luxray that have been screwed for movepools in the past.
It'll be interesting to see how restrictive the better moves like Vacuum Wave and Earth Power end up being distributed. The most remarkable aspect of the current list is surely how widespread Superpower is given out, even on stuff like Flareon and Luxray that have been screwed for movepools in the past.
*keeps chanting for icepunch/superpower azumarill*
STAB Priority moves are always a plus. Also, VICTREEBEL! FUCK YEAH!
Scyther could care less about Priority moves, but Scizor always enjoys more Priority moves to take advantage of Technician.
Satoshi Tajiri, get over the fact that Flareon killed your parents when you were a child already. IT WANTS FLARE BLITZ, NOT FUCKING LAVA PLUME!
Espeon could really take advantage of anyone slower that uses Nasty Plot thanks to its 110 Speed.
WTF AWESOMESAUCE! Damn, with this, Scizor now has an 80 Base Power Priority move. SD Scizor is going to rock with this move.
My thoughts exactly. Raikou might be able to get some use out of Rain Dance, as long as Tyranitar doesn't come in and ruin its fun. Entei gets a decent addition to its movepool. Suicune is now better on Hail Teams?
GIVE DIVE BACK TO IT ALREADY!
Overlooked this at first, but now Bibarel can make much better usage of Simple, since before all it had was Defense Curl. +2 Attack and +2 Defense is very attractive.
We have ourselves a winnar. Now we're gonna have even more Darkrai usage in Ubers.
More moves might still be in the list of battle Frontier Pokemon: http://pokedex-br.info/battlefrontier-pokemon.csv
New Base Stats!
Shaymin's Land Forme100/100/100/100/100/100 : Shaymin's Sky Forme
100/103/75/120/75/127
Code:Sky Forme's Ability = Serene Grace Sky Forme's move list 1 | Growth 10 | Magical Leaf 19 | Leech Seed 28 | Quick Attack 37 | Sweet Scent 46 | Natural Gift 55 | Worry Seed 64 | Air Slash 73 | Energy Ball 82 | Sweet Kiss 91 | Leaf Storm 100| Seed Flare[/quote] I don't really have anything to say that hasn't been said in the Skymin topic already. If it gets Roost, most likely it's gonna be Uber with its stats and 80% SpDef Drop rate. [quote="RB Golbat, post: 1473700"]Giratina Another Forme [IMG]http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/icon/487.gif[/IMG] 150/100/120/100/120/90 : Giratina Origin Forme [IMG]http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/icon/487-o.gif[/IMG]150/120/100/120/100/90[LIST] [*]Giratina can appear both as Another Forme and Origin Forme in Platinum. It will appear in Origin Forme while in the Torn World, and in Another Forme while out of it. [*][B]A Platinum orb now exists. When you attach it to Giratina, its Dragon and Ghost-type moves are boosted. Giratina changes into its Origin Forme when it is attached as well.[/B] [*][B]The ability of the Origin Forme is Levitate and it can learn the moves Mud Slap, Spite and Outrage.[/B] [*]I [Pokebeach] setup a trade between Platinum and Pearl. I wanted to trade my Giratina Origin Forme with its Platinum Orb to Pearl. When entering the trading room, Giratina Origin Forme reverts back to Giratina and its Platinum Orb goes back into the backpack. When you leave the room, you have to put the Orb back on yourself to transform it into its Origin Forme. [*]The same thing happens with a local battle. Giratina reverts to its regular form and the Platinum Orb goes into your backpack. It does not seem like any of the new forms can be traded or battled with while in their forms. They are exclusive to Platinum for this generation it seems.[/LIST][/quote]Hello better Groudon counter. [quote="RB Golbat, post: 1473700"]Rotom's Base Forme [IMG]http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/icon/479.gif[/IMG] 50/50/77/95/77/91 : Rotom's Other Formes [IMG]http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/icon/479-i.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/icon/479-w.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/icon/479-f.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/icon/479-l.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/icon/479-t.gif[/IMG] 50/65/107/105/107/86[/quote] Hmm, better attacking stats, but I'd like to know what its secondary secondary type is to all those forms, Electric or Ghost? Probably Electric.
