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Pokemon VGC 2010 DATES / rules announced for the US!
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whats going on on pg.26 that makes me need admin rights?
Edit: lol, didnt see the white lettering xP
It's the future.
But upon thinking about the European release date of HGSS- anyone else noticed that the alleged date is pretty earlier in comparison to Platinum? Makes me think that Europe is using the same carts as everyone else now, and the release was pushed back to a bit to perhaps compensate for Platinum's late release and its effects on the European VGCs (which may be more severe this year what with the level reversion and everything that's present in HGSS). That look about right to everyone else?
Also with the implied expansion in Europe, I wonder if they'll do a proper European championship. While it'd be nice to have an extra round, I don't like how it's an extra hurdle to pass. So I'm not sure if I'd like one. Better overall if you win, worse if you lose. Like anything I guess. I'd rather have three holidays than two, lol. If there's a Euro championship and I become world champion. In my dreams, heh.
But upon thinking about the European release date of HGSS- anyone else noticed that the alleged date is pretty earlier in comparison to Platinum? Makes me think that Europe is using the same carts as everyone else now, and the release was pushed back to a bit to perhaps compensate for Platinum's late release and its effects on the European VGCs (which may be more severe this year what with the level reversion and everything that's present in HGSS). That look about right to everyone else?
Also with the implied expansion in Europe, I wonder if they'll do a proper European championship. While it'd be nice to have an extra round, I don't like how it's an extra hurdle to pass. So I'm not sure if I'd like one. Better overall if you win, worse if you lose. Like anything I guess. I'd rather have three holidays than two, lol. If there's a Euro championship and I become world champion. In my dreams, heh.
Haha your back!
Anyways finding a japanese tier list is hard enough as is, i think a VGC tier list is almost impossible to find.
Ho-Oh and Groudon, Kyogre and Palkia, Kyogre and Dialga, Kyogre and Mewtwo and Ho-Oh and Giratina-A seem to be the commonest uber combinations from what I've seen. Kyogre is the most-used, with Ho-Oh closely following (interestingly) as well as Dialga. Mewtwo, Giratina-A, Groudon and Rayquaza are seeing sporadic use too with the very occasional Lugia.
Kyogre is almost always run as bulky offense @leftovers (I've seen very few scarfed ones) as is Ho-Oh, which often has jolly substitute/roost/sacred fire/brave bird@leftovers as a moveset. Palkia is pretty much always straight-out offensive but you do get the odd substituting one. Groudon and Giratina-A too are regularly bulky offense and not really ever anything else. Mewtwo and Rayquaza are in the same boat as Palkia, being simple offensive pokémon (though specs Mewtwo is uncommon). Dialga is virtually always bulky with trick room. Lugia is pretty much just a bulkier and less versatile Cresselia also, and I've never seen one do much in a battle.
With the non-ubers, tried and tested favourites like Smeargle, Metagross, Ludicolo and Latios are still as popular while other like Garchomp, Zapdos, Salamence and Gyarados have fallen a lot in popularity. Cresselia is very mildly popular as a partner to Groudon, as is Shiftry. Water spout Octillery and Blastoise are seen occasionally but rarely and when they do, they tend to be disappointing.
So yeah that's my quick analysis of the last few months of Japanese VGC. I've been watching a lot of battle videos (about 50 in total I would say) and that's what I've seen.
Good information there, Zog.
I'm new to the whole competitive thing and hoping to at least win one round at VGC this year. I've been mulling over my team and such.
From what you said, running a team consisting of Zapdos, Palkia, Metagross and Kyogre wouldn't be out of the question? Maybe leading with Palkia and Zapdos or Palkia and Metagross?
I'm new to the whole competitive thing and hoping to at least win one round at VGC this year. I've been mulling over my team and such.
From what you said, running a team consisting of Zapdos, Palkia, Metagross and Kyogre wouldn't be out of the question? Maybe leading with Palkia and Zapdos or Palkia and Metagross?
If you're going to use Choice Scarf Kyogre, then you definitely want to lead with a combination of the other 3 pokemon and bring in Kyogre on a later turn (or turn 1 if you so desire). Otherwise, you could still lead with him, but that would give away your strategy very quickly. That seems like a pretty solid team to me from a glance, but I would have to see it in action before I made any real judgements about it.
Well, I wasn't planning on running a Rain Dance team, so leading with Kyogre doesn't seem that worthwhile, anyways. Especially when, like you said, Kyogre lead would be pretty predictable.
At this point, I'm pretty sure having Zapdos as a lead would work well, but to pair with Metagross or Palkia is the question (assuming Choice Scarf Kyogre is not leading). I could use a sub-Palkia, which could throw off my opponent if they aren't considering it, since it seems less common.
I don't want to turn this into a team building discussion, so my apologies, but I'm trying to figure into what's already been seen at the Japanese VGC before I get rolling with a team to use.
At this point, I'm pretty sure having Zapdos as a lead would work well, but to pair with Metagross or Palkia is the question (assuming Choice Scarf Kyogre is not leading). I could use a sub-Palkia, which could throw off my opponent if they aren't considering it, since it seems less common.
I don't want to turn this into a team building discussion, so my apologies, but I'm trying to figure into what's already been seen at the Japanese VGC before I get rolling with a team to use.
TO be honest, i think the Japanese VGC metagame is probably still developing. 2-3 months isn't really enough time to RNG all the pokes, beat the game, and develop a metagame over an entire country. :/ Unfortunately, the US and European competitors will have even less time than that (not me, but as a whole).
The thing about the doubles 'metagame' is that it never gets a chance to fully develop. Since singles is more of Pokemon X beats Pokemon Y, and doubles is more of situation A beats situation B and there's more options for those situations, that you can't really stay with one strategy for too long. We saw this alot this year, with it shifting from trick room, to anti-trick room, to Zapchomp thanks to zerowing.
Yeah it's definitely viable. I would do as tad recommends and not lead with Kyogre, instead with Zapdos and Metagross. Then you give away very little about your team from the start, and can deal out huge damage later with fresh ubers.
And you'll be able to beat one person easy: my complete noob brother got to round 3 (and should've got to round 4 as his round 3 opponent got disqualified after) using a team of Bronzong/Scizor/Lickilicky/Parasect. The team was made by me and was EVed with high IVs and stuff, but still. He lucked out massively in getting easy opponents though.
First round he fought a kid from Northern Ireland who'd brought all his family over to see, and had them cheering him on from the sidelines. Too bad he used an ember Ninetales amongst other pathetic Pokémon, leading to a 4-0 and the kid crying and going home (oh dear lol). Second round he rather amusingly beat a guy named Abbas that I'd done a lot of practise matches with on SPP (and who was showing off about being really good lol). Then third round he fought Luigi, who he lost to. But Luigi then got disqualified due to having 2 lum berries on his teamsheet, which was really unfair. But still either of them would have lost to Shoe next round. Both had bad team matchups and weren't as good players (Luigi used shadow ball on Lickilicky for example).
Meta/Zapdos are slaughtered by Spout Ogre + Ludicolo/Kingdra and do not do too well vs Groudon/Zapdos either. Metagross though is decent vs Hail (Abomasnow + Blizzard partner such as Dialga), especially with Hammer Arm to batter Dialga and Abomasnow. Palkia/Zapdos sounds solid to me but you need take care of Smeargle strategies then as they were used by some American players this year.
I have tested Palkia(scarf)/Croak(orb)/Azu(Band)/Kyogre(specs) to decent success so far. Scarfed Palkia is wonderful, especially with Croak Faking Stuff Out as support. Use a Bulky Quiet 0spd Kyogre to guarantee the rain + Surf instead of Waterspouting for base 95 (yeah, the doubles effect too), plus healing Croak. Banded Azu spamming Aqua Jet in the rain is amazing too!
This team just screams "Shedinja rapes us due to our 3 choice items!" You can have all the moveslot variety you want, but I implore you, NEVER use 3 choice items on one team.
Well, this is what I was considering if I decided to lead with Kyogre:
Palkia w/ Lustrous Orb
Hasty
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-Surf
-Spacial Rend
-Outrage
-Thunder
Kyogre w/ Leftovers
Modest
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-Calm Mind
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunder
Metagross w/ Lum Berry
Adamant
EVs: 124 HP / 252 ATK / 132 SPD
-Agility
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake
-Explosion
Gengar w/ Life Orb
Timid
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-ShadowBall
-Thunder
-Focus Blast
-Explosion
Palkia w/ Lustrous Orb
Hasty
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-Surf
-Spacial Rend
-Outrage
-Thunder
Kyogre w/ Leftovers
Modest
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-Calm Mind
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunder
Metagross w/ Lum Berry
Adamant
EVs: 124 HP / 252 ATK / 132 SPD
-Agility
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake
-Explosion
Gengar w/ Life Orb
Timid
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-ShadowBall
-Thunder
-Focus Blast
-Explosion
I see many things wrong:
1. you have no one with protect
2. outrage is very bad and unreliable in doubles as it picks a random target
3. you only have ONE person who can kill sheddy
4. you don't need 3 thunders
5. you have no priority moves
EDIT: 6. lastly i wouldn't recommend agiligross as he is meant for singles and won't work as well in doubles
make some changes and this team has potential
Alright, made some changes to it.
-Outrage replaced by Fire Blast on Palkia
-Explosion replaced by Protect on Gengar
-Thunder replaced by Sucker Punch on Gengar
-Metagross revamped to Choice Bander
Palkia w/ Lustrous Orb
Hasty
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-Surf
-Spacial Rend
-Fire Blast
-Thunder
Kyogre w/ Leftovers
Modest
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-Calm Mind
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunder
Metagross w/Choice Band
Adamant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 SPD
-Bullet Punch
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake
-Explosion
Gengar w/ Life Orb
Timid
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-ShadowBall
-Sucker Punch
-Focus Blast
-Protect
-Outrage replaced by Fire Blast on Palkia
-Explosion replaced by Protect on Gengar
-Thunder replaced by Sucker Punch on Gengar
-Metagross revamped to Choice Bander
Palkia w/ Lustrous Orb
Hasty
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-Surf
-Spacial Rend
-Fire Blast
-Thunder
Kyogre w/ Leftovers
Modest
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-Calm Mind
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunder
Metagross w/Choice Band
Adamant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 SPD
-Bullet Punch
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake
-Explosion
Gengar w/ Life Orb
Timid
EVs: 252 SPATK / 252 SPD / 4 HP
-ShadowBall
-Sucker Punch
-Focus Blast
-Protect
Everybody tries to make regigigas and slaking work but they just don't. Gimmick teams are not worth it because if something goes wrong all hope is lost. You're better off just going with Sunny Day, Trick Room, Goodstuff/anti-trickroom, or Rain Dance.
ahhhh damn, my common sense was right heh heh, well still, its not like ALL hope is lost when they would just be my leads and I can hold some uber sweepers in the last 2 slots to clean up/take over in case regi fails. IDK, sceptile is outspeeding all these common leads so the worry seed is nearly garanteed so I dont know how it will completely fail, and gigas has some nice bulk in combination with his atk.
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