I think Drug duck just stated that there is no point for anybody outside of Smogon and the English-speaking Pokemon scene to care about Smogon's metagame. Which is 100% true. Not really bashing per se.
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Duck was never attacking anyone directly as a person. He said "it's the right way to play Pokemon" which is a perfectly valid opinion. No other way of playing Pokemon offers prizes like the VGC offers, a chance to meet fellow Pokemon players, or play in a real competitive tournament where you're actually playing for something. The fact that the Smogon metagame can be called competitive is misleading. Similar to how many people don't consider play money Poker to be competitive, when nothing is on the line, who cares if you win or lose?
But, like you said, I don't care whether people decide to play Smogon's metagame, VGC, or strictly ingame. It's just, in my opinion, that the best way to play Pokemon is playing in the VGC metagame.
No point in arguing over it, either, since any of us will change how we play for a tournament. VGC has its own rules. Smogoners adapt to it and play. People who play VGC may join Smogon and start playing by our rules. They have to adapt to it.
Even so, wasn't really bashing. There isn't a "best way" to play since that's an opinion, but it's not like us players can't multitask. We play by these rules in these tournaments and the Smogon rules in places like Shoddy. Nothing wrong with playing only one kind. Nothing wrong with playing multiple ones, either.
Even so, wasn't really bashing. There isn't a "best way" to play since that's an opinion, but it's not like us players can't multitask. We play by these rules in these tournaments and the Smogon rules in places like Shoddy. Nothing wrong with playing only one kind. Nothing wrong with playing multiple ones, either.
True, he did not attack anyone directly. I got a bit ahead of myself in that respect, and I apologize. I do, however, disagree that what he said was acceptable. He implied that the VGC style of playing was "better" than all other ways of playing the game. This is simply not true. There is no "best" format for playing the game. There is only different ways to play the same game and produce the same result: fun. Look at this way: It's like you wear that shirt, and I wear this shirt, but it doesn't mean one of us is wrong. It just means that you're the one doing it. As long as what you're doing is producing pleasure and enjoyment for you (and perhaps for others as well), and is not negatively affecting anyone else, then it is perfectly acceptable. To say that one particular format is "better" than others is not OK. Each format has it's own positive characteristics and negative characteristics. Each person is entitled to play whichever format they most enjoy, or both if they do not have a preference (this is the category that I would fall into).
Agreed, this is exactly what I said in a paraphrased form.
This is entirely false. They have their own Smogon-like tiers, like at one point Heracross was banned. They have tiers and clauses, they do not solely follow Nintendo tiers and clauses.
Sources? Or hearsay?
Not meant to be rude, but I'd like to look that up for myself =)
I didn't mean to offend anyone, just stating my opinion. Whether people accept that is entirely up to them. I also did not "imply" that playing the Smogon metagame is wrong but consider in what metagame there are free trips and other prizes on the line - no matter how "competitive" these official rules are. What is more important - the respect of fellow Shoddy Battlers for successful participation in Smogon's WCOP or winning free trips to other countries, to places which I would never go to without the VGC? Hanging around with characters which I would never get to know otherwise?
I hope you get my point, tad38, of course people should play what they want and neither way to play should be labeled wrong or right. But please note that there at least in Germany are people who look down on the VGCs and the people who won there because for them this isn't more than an event for nubs.
Not meant to be rude, but I'd like to look that up for myself =)
I didn't mean to offend anyone, just stating my opinion. Whether people accept that is entirely up to them. I also did not "imply" that playing the Smogon metagame is wrong but consider in what metagame there are free trips and other prizes on the line - no matter how "competitive" these official rules are. What is more important - the respect of fellow Shoddy Battlers for successful participation in Smogon's WCOP or winning free trips to other countries, to places which I would never go to without the VGC? Hanging around with characters which I would never get to know otherwise?
I hope you get my point, tad38, of course people should play what they want and neither way to play should be labeled wrong or right. But please note that there at least in Germany are people who look down on the VGCs and the people who won there because for them this isn't more than an event for nubs.
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I'm hoping for a Manchester qualifier too, since i'm not sure if i can afford to go to London if thats the only one. From what i've read here its seems the later rounds are best of 3 (ie last 16 i think i saw it started), if thats true then having 6 pokes is important since your final 2 should be ones you can use to counter other teams or to switch your team to a different style for the later games after you've seen their team and they have seen yours.
I'm hoping for a Manchester qualifier too, since i'm not sure if i can afford to go to London if thats the only one. From what i've read here its seems the later rounds are best of 3 (ie last 16 i think i saw it started), if thats true then having 6 pokes is important since your final 2 should be ones you can use to counter other teams or to switch your team to a different style for the later games after you've seen their team and they have seen yours.
That was at Worlds and US Nationals. At the European Qualifiers they only did K.O. because the Qualifiers weren't more than a field experiment how it could work in Europe. That why they were named Qualifiers over National Championship.
For this year I predict Swiss to be there but probably Best-of-one in the preliminary Swiss round just like how they did at nats.
Anyway, 6 Pokémon is advisable in any case if you notice during the tourney that a certain lead combination with one of your substitutes might net you a bigger advantage.
For this year I predict Swiss to be there but probably Best-of-one in the preliminary Swiss round just like how they did at nats.
Anyway, 6 Pokémon is advisable in any case if you notice during the tourney that a certain lead combination with one of your substitutes might net you a bigger advantage.
Yeah. Would I be right in thinking you were one of the unlucky 4 at London?
You're forgetting that the US Regionals were also single elimination and it wasn't just an 'experiment' for Europe. Fact of the matter is, the quickest and most efficient way to get through these things is single-elimination. It would take far too long to run a swiss tournament with that many people and it would end up screwing alot of people over like it did at Nationals.
I already have a plan.
Step 1:
Make a team.
Step 2:
Kick LF's ass.
Step 3:
Champion!
Step 1:
Make a team.
Step 2:
Kick LF's ass.
Step 3:
Champion!
That's where the phrase " it's easy as 1 2 3 " is Not true ;o
The amount of fear over weather (or just rain in general) is kinda funny. I saw some japanese teams utilizing Kyogre/Groudon + abomasnow + tyranitar on one team. Where in the hell is the synergy/supporters in that?? Your team just basicaly becomes a weather/kyogre counter, rather then working together and having a stradigy.
there is a reason as to why people see the rd team as a huge threat.
it's just that good. hence, A LOT of japanese players (yes aside from the youtube videos, i see a lot of these in local tournies here in japan) playing with kyogre, palkia, and others for the rd team. sunny day team is also very powerful while ss and hail teams aren't nearly as popular but still quite used. where did you see the kyogre/groudon + abomasnow+tar team? that's a very weird team in a glance atm.
it's just that good. hence, A LOT of japanese players (yes aside from the youtube videos, i see a lot of these in local tournies here in japan) playing with kyogre, palkia, and others for the rd team. sunny day team is also very powerful while ss and hail teams aren't nearly as popular but still quite used. where did you see the kyogre/groudon + abomasnow+tar team? that's a very weird team in a glance atm.
I saw that combo on the VTS (or whatever its called), I came across a number of teams that used a combo of 3 weather indusers (including Rayquaza), I understand the power of rain dance teams, its just that 2-3 different weather inducing pokemon seem a little overkill IMO.
Yeah, from what I have seen and from what I can judge based on testing with other VGC players here, I can just quote what Lordkira says. In addition, the amount of random fighting moves people use on Pokémon like Tyranitar and Weavile and the amount of anti-metagaming taking place with specially defensive Abomasnow just shows how good Raindance as well as Dialga is. Do you, Lordkira know by chance more from the Chiba finals and which teams the semifinalists used?
Also, I agree that Abomasnow is not the perfect solution since it gets hammered by Steels as well as other Pokémon which it cannot attack for good damage.
Also, I agree that Abomasnow is not the perfect solution since it gets hammered by Steels as well as other Pokémon which it cannot attack for good damage.
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