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Practicing Self-Discipline

Teachers overanalyze everything so much. I honestly doubt that every bit of punctuation Joseph Conrad put into his book has meaning to it. Do authors try putting in symbolism and stuff into their writings? Sure they do, but not to that degree. Not every single forest has to be a metaphor for entering a new world, sometimes people just put a forest in their story for the sake of putting a forest in the story. I swear, half the stuff about Shakespeare was just made up by English teachers so they wouldn't be unemployed. They can just b.s. stuff, say its "research" or "the ingenuity of language" and take their paycheck. Honestly? Analyzing significance of the length of each of Shakepeare's lines? I honestly doubt that Shakespeare intentionally made every line a certain length to signify something. His plays were freaking for people to watch! Who cares if the line ends in and or and Prospero. Analyzing the significance of every minute detail including punctuation, by the way, is in the IB Higher Level English curriculum, so its not just one person even.

Actually, these people put ridiculous amounts of detail into their work. Especially Shakespeare where every line of dialogue is important. People like you who say that these English teachers make this shit up are probably going to end up at a desk job as your profession, since you don't actually understand what the concept of what "hard work" really is.

I actually enjoy reading believe it or not. However, its the fact that English classes force you to not only read, but be able to quote it and analyze random symbolism and crap that pisses me off. Why do we need to analyze boring as hell books like Great Gatsby? In fact, its not just the boring books they ruined. Life of Pi for example, was an awesome story about a boy and his wanderings with a tiger. English class ruined that for me by turning it into a discussion about religion, they even broke down the freaking animals into nothing but religious metaphors. Nobody freaking reads because they like making religious connections to every last event, except maybe religious extremist, people read because they like the plot, and if they see symbolism occasionally, so be it. I don't see why we need to be able to know every last minute detail about a book we will never again touch in our lives.
They make you to do it because it teaches you to think critically and not take everything you are told literally. I honestly am suspicious that you might have asbergers or something since you are so dense when it comes to things that you aren't told to you straight out.
EDIT: To clarify, this statement was not meant to insult anybody with Asbergers. He just reminds me of a friend I have that has it.

Oh yeah, and to connect this to the topic. For those of you that have procrastination problems, if you're going to leave anything to the last minute, leave English. You can literally just b.s. stuff on the spot and still get as good a mark as some future Arts student who put like 5 hours into their work. In fact, most of the time you don't even need to read the book. I ended up with a 5 in IB Higher Level English exams just by going onto Sparknotes an hour before the exam.
Life isn't about grades it's about developing real skills. The people who only work to get good grades are the people who end up living unfulfilled lives in their adult years. And just because you got an A just like that "future Arts" student doesn't mean your work is anywhere near the quality of his.
 
In my opinion I can > IQ. Whats the point of being a genius if you can't be bothered too show it?

I am in the middle of writing 2 assignments for university. Both are 1750 words and I have too hand in my first on tuesday (wednesday really, but wed is my day off and i;m not going into uni for that) and my 2nd essay is due for the week after (the 3rd and 10th). I have had these assignments for 2 weeks.

I set myself goals too do and break the huge task into smaller bites. For example, 1 week before hand in date I want 1/2 of it done, then break that down even more. 1st day I will do research. 2nd day I will plan, 3rd day i will do the intro, 4th day I will have a day off and repeat the cycle.

The thing about work and self motivation is that it can be hard too fit 'me' time in and then you start too get anxious and you can end up doing a worse job, than if you simply relaxed and took a break.

so in short;

set yourself attainable goals
dedicate time for it, I like too work from 6PM-9PM and then relax with wii/PO until bedtime
Dont forget 'me' time, you want too relax so you can calm down and then the world seems easier too deal with
 
It is actually closer to "general" than not. The only real job you can get that focuses primarily on Literature is teacher. Legit. Lawyers mostly make use of debate skills and persuasive language, they don't need Shakespeare. Ditto for politicians. Whereas most students that complete a higher level Science degree will get a job unless they like have a criminal record or something.

Teachers overanalyze everything so much. I honestly doubt that every bit of punctuation Joseph Conrad put into his book has meaning to it. Do authors try putting in symbolism and stuff into their writings? Sure they do, but not to that degree. Not every single forest has to be a metaphor for entering a new world, sometimes people just put a forest in their story for the sake of putting a forest in the story. I swear, half the stuff about Shakespeare was just made up by English teachers so they wouldn't be unemployed. They can just b.s. stuff, say its "research" or "the ingenuity of language" and take their paycheck. Honestly? Analyzing significance of the length of each of Shakepeare's lines? I honestly doubt that Shakespeare intentionally made every line a certain length to signify something. His plays were freaking for people to watch! Who cares if the line ends in and or and Prospero. Analyzing the significance of every minute detail including punctuation, by the way, is in the IB Higher Level English curriculum, so its not just one person even.

I actually enjoy reading believe it or not. However, its the fact that English classes force you to not only read, but be able to quote it and analyze random symbolism and crap that pisses me off. Why do we need to analyze boring as hell books like Great Gatsby? In fact, its not just the boring books they ruined. Life of Pi for example, was an awesome story about a boy and his wanderings with a tiger. English class ruined that for me by turning it into a discussion about religion, they even broke down the freaking animals into nothing but religious metaphors. Nobody freaking reads because they like making religious connections to every last event, except maybe religious extremist, people read because they like the plot, and if they see symbolism occasionally, so be it. I don't see why we need to be able to know every last minute detail about a book we will never again touch in our lives.

Oh yeah, and to connect this to the topic. For those of you that have procrastination problems, if you're going to leave anything to the last minute, leave English. You can literally just b.s. stuff on the spot and still get as good a mark as some future Arts student who put like 5 hours into their work. In fact, most of the time you don't even need to read the book. I ended up with a 5 in IB Higher Level English exams just by going onto Sparknotes an hour before the exam.

I feel compelled to reply to this post, since you really haven't picked up the intrinsic value of literature. Literature isn't just about "HURR DURR FOREST MEANS LIFE" etc as you keep implying in your post. Rather, literature contains a wide range of sociological factors, cultural values, historical facts, life lessons and much more within it. Furthermore, it teaches you to critically analyze something and develop skills to argue against it.

English IB HL doesn't just teach you to read a book and spit bullshit out. It teaches you to see how aspects of literature can affect other subjects (I guarantee the books you've read had significant cultural aspects of not just your own nation, but other nations as well). Furthermore, it's supposed to teach you how to write critically and analytically, and also, speak fluently, eloquently and with critical thought. The fact that you've failed to pick up these intrinsic values that IB has tried to teach you, shows that you pretty much, in your own arrogance and your own supposed "own intelligence and views," failed to see the bigger picture of your education.

It's very sad that you aren't able to pick up basic themes from great books such as the Great Gatsby and see how they apply to real life situations, especially in this global economic recession we live in. Clearly you were not cut out for IB.

Shakespeare and Fitzgerald were literature icons and had major impact in all areas of study and yet you fail to see their significance in them. I guess you can call your years in IB pretty fucking useless.

Edit: And... you just proved my point exactly with your post below me.
 
Actually, these people put ridiculous amounts of detail into their work. Especially Shakespeare where every line of dialogue is important. People like you who say that these English teachers make this shit up are probably going to end up at a desk job as your profession, since you don't actually understand what the concept of what "hard work" really is.

Like I've said, I seriously doubt that Shakespeare actually made every freaking caesura and endstop significant. He didn't even freaking write the play for it to be read! He wrote the play for Royalty to watch and whatnot. By the time Shakspeare died, the number of people who actually "read Shakespeare" bar actors could probably be counted on your fingers. As well, what the hell are you talking about with "desk jobs" not being considered hard work. Yeah, stuff they show on The Office does happen IRL, but that doesn't mean that every single White collar worker is a scumbag who does nothing but dick around on a computer all day. You know what IMO the hardest job is? Janitorial work. Many people who studied Literature and whatnot in College end up doing that.

They make you to do it because it teaches you to think critically and not take everything you are told literally. I honestly am suspicious that you might have asbergers or something since you are so dense when it comes to things that you aren't told to you straight out.
EDIT: To clarify, this statement was not meant to insult anybody with Asbergers. He just reminds me of a friend I have that has it.

First of all, its Aspergers. Asbergers makes it sound like that South Park episoe that came out a few weeks ago that make fun of people with Aspergers. Oh yeah, and I have no problem with critical thinking at all. I do just fine on those English assignments, doesn't change the fact that I think they're useless. Furthermore, there are more ways to teach critical thinking than telling students to annotate the shading and tones of pictures. I would much rather be studying something involving Social Studies. History, Political Science, subjects like that are actually interesting, and give you so many more perspectives on life. Plus, many of them have helped shape our modern day societies, whether they be historical legacies that have carried on, or current events that are currently shaking up the landscape. More importantly, there is something interesting for everyone, we all have events/ causes that we are passionate about, social studies gives us an opportunity to explore them. Whereas with English, they toss you some 80 year old book, ask you to read it, and then write shit with no logic to back it up. I couldn't care less that freaking Gatsby realized he'll never get Daisy.

Life isn't about grades it's about developing real skills. The people who only work to get good grades are the people who end up living unfulfilled lives in their adult years. And just because you got an A just like that "future Arts" student doesn't mean your work is anywhere near the quality of his.

True, life isn't about grades, but I don't see how memorizing Jane Eyre is developing more skills than say creating your own Experimental Design. If anything, creating the Experimental Design is more helpful to one's development. Not only do you have a better understanding of the course material, but you also learn to apply your knowledge critically. Wait! Hold on a second? Science can't incorporate critical thinking! What blasphemy is this! I'm also sure that all those students who put in 4 years and thousands of dollars only to end up on a garbage route that happens to include his former Med School bound roomate's house is living a very very fulfilling life. As well, according to the marks, the "quality of my work" is equivalent to the "quality of work" of the "future Arts student". Don't kid yourself, in academics, the marks are the quantitative measurement for quality. Did he put in a greater effort? Without a doubt. Does the teacher know? No. All the teacher sees is that the "quality" of the response is about equal, and they get the same mark.

Dear IDunno,

Just Kidding, you actually made an effort to make an intelligent post. However, there are fallacies in your argument. Are there fallacies in mine? Absolutely. But you know what lets you clean up these fallacies? Logic. Logic is what shapes Science based studies, which is why Scientific knowledge is so much more difficult to argue against than Arts "knowledge".

EDIT: Well, if you "wouldn't have let yourself give such a subjective argument" why are you not giving a coherent response? Clearly you lack the capacity for the same critical thinking as you have questioned me for. "I can guarantee you that I am right and you are wrong. End of story." is without a doubt the most convincing argument I have ever heard in my life? How on Earth are you not winning debate tournament after debate tournament? As well, many of Shakespeare's plays were intended for a higher class audience. Macbeth for one, was written during King James' reign and first shown to the king. The play references and gives a positive portrayal of Banquo, who is believed to have a blood relationship with King James. In the play, Banquo's future generations were supposedly a long line of kings, which is clearly dick sucking on Shakespeare's part. I assure you I am not diagnosed with Aspergers, but iDunno about you.

I feel compelled to reply to this post, since you really haven't picked up the intrinsic value of literature. Literature isn't just about "HURR DURR FOREST MEANS LIFE" etc as you keep implying in your post. Rather, literature contains a wide range of sociological factors, cultural values, historical facts, life lessons and much more within it. Furthermore, it teaches you to critically analyze something and develop skills to argue against it.

This is fair, I'll give you that. As well, I don't actually hate every last book I see. I really enjoyed Brave New World to be honest, I actually put a fair bit of effort into writing those essays (and didn't get much higher marks wise but whatever). With Literature, you need to actually give a shit about what issues the book is presenting to be able to "appreciate it". I couldn't give a shit about Elizabeth Bennet or Daisy Buchanan deciding between romance and wealth. "Orwellian type books" as I like to call them, present much more provokative issues that we can connect to, and perhaps learn from. While it is true that Literature examines aspects of the human condition, there are aspects of human nature that just plain matter less than others. Once again, Literature is not the only friggin thing on Earth that enhances your critical thinking skills.

English IB HL doesn't just teach you to read a book and spit bullshit out. For me and most of my classmates, yes it did. It teaches you to see how aspects of literature can affect other subjects (I guarantee the books you've read had significant cultural aspects of not just your own nation, but other nations as well). Furthermore, it's supposed to teach you how to write critically and analytically, and also, speak fluently, eloquently and with critical thought. The fact that you've failed to pick up these intrinsic values that IB has tried to teach you, shows that you pretty much, in your own arrogance and your own supposed "own intelligence and views," failed to see the bigger picture of your education.

For a cultural reference to matter, it actually needs to have some significance in this world. Yeah, I learned the names of traditional Japanese clothing attire and the names of random rivers in India. But those are things you could learn with a simple Google search. If the Western education system wants us to appreciate other cultures. Instead of tossing random books at students, why not stop sucking on "the Corporation cock", raise taxes to get funding for important institutions such as education, and organize trips to these places. I'm certain that I'd gain much more appreciation of the Congo jungle by actually seeing it first hand, than reading about some emo and his conquest and exploitation of Africans. I'd also learn much more about imperialism in a social studies course than reading some random book. As for the "bigger picture of your education" comment, at the end of the day, its not about what IB wants to teach you. Its what you want to get out of IB. The only reason I took English HL IB was because the alternative was French HL IB, which would've been brutal. If I wanted to get critical thinking skills out of it, Courses like Theory of Knowledge are more than enough.

It's very sad that you aren't able to pick up basic themes from great books such as the Great Gatsby and see how they apply to real life situations, especially in this global economic recession we live in. Clearly you were not cut out for IB.

First of all, the Great Gatsby is a terrible basis to understand today's economic crisis. As much as I feel the gap between rich and poor is too wide, we as humanity have grown a lot since Fitzgerald's time. Cases where marriages are based 100% on wealth and social standing are getting more and more rare. The "social circle of the rich" is also growing steadily to encompass the "social circle of the poor". Lets continue taking education as an example. A century ago, if your father wasn't Charlie Big Bucks, you were going to have trouble getting education period. Now, while most Ivy Leagues schools etc. still give free passes to relatives of contributors, many more people are getting in because of their talents and abilities. Society has progressed, and will continue to progress. If you have interest in conditions from long ago, than by all means, read Gatsby over and over again. But what has passed cannot be recreated, quit dwelling in the past. Instead of worrying about Gatsby's gay little green light will guide you through life, worry about how the collapse of the Lybian green flag will impact you, your friends, and your family.

Shakespeare and Fitzgerald were literature icons and had major impact in all areas of study and yet you fail to see their significance in them. I guess you can call your years in IB pretty fucking useless.

Give me one example where Shakespeare/ Fitzgerald had significant impact on the following areas of study: Agriculture, Biochemistry, Biomedical Engineering, Cell Biology, Chemical Engineering, Civil Engineering, Computing Sciences, Data and Information Studies, Dentistry, Electrical Engineering Environmental Studies, Forestry, Genetics, Geology, Geophysics, Immunology, Materials Engineering, Mathematics, Mechanical Engineering, Medicine, Neuroscience, Newtonian Physics, Nutrition Studies, Organic Chemistry, Pharmacy and Pharmaceuticals, Physiology, Statistics, Theoretical Physics, Veteranarianism

Definately had an impact on all areas of study.
 
wtf are you talking about? what argument? I wasn't debating with you I was blatantly criticizing you lol. If I were actually debating with you I wouldn't let myself give such a subjective argument -_-

As a fellow human being who takes pride in their work, I can guarantee you that I am right and you are wrong. End of story.

EDIT: Also, lol you actually think that Shakespeare was some sort of regal playwright? Oh god...

Also you didn't tell me you didn't have asbergers in your post so I am assuming you do.

EDIT 2:

As well, many of Shakespeare's plays were intended for a higher class audience.
If you were familiar with the time era, you would know that most of his audience consisted of lower class people in the "red light districts" of Victorian England. He was merely taken note of and enjoyed by the higher class, alike.

Macbeth for one, was written during King James' reign and first shown to the king. The play references and gives a positive portrayal of Banquo, who is believed to have a blood relationship with King James. In the play, Banquo's future generations were supposedly a long line of kings, which is clearly dick sucking on Shakespeare's part. I assure you I am not diagnosed with Aspergers, but iDunno about you
Well right here you are implying that Shakespeare DID actually put some thought into the characters! Good work! Well, just to tell you, King James was not exactly the best king. Also there are some interpretations that find that Banquo did not have intentions as good as they seemed. Banquo could have very well been a satirical jab at James I.

And also, since I know you don't have Asbergers, any lingering empathy I had for your argument is now gone and I am 100% sure you are just retarded.

Note: I am editing instead of making new posts because I don't want to pollute this thread with this dumb dialogue any more than it already has been. I wouldn't post anymore, but I just hate not having the last word if the other party thinks they're the smartest guys ever but proves to be the opposite lol

Please stop responding you are really, honestly, truly, extremely uninformed - not to mention stupid beyond belief. I don't usually like call people stupid (anymore, at least) but I hate it when people take their uninformed assumptions and put them out as fact, ESPECIALLY when they've had good educational opportunities. It's pretty insulting - not to mention self-aggrandizing. Plus, given that you somehow left a 4000 page GROUP report to the last minute, your common sense is, for lack of a better word, bad.
 
Self discipline huh? Well, I guess it depends on what kind of homework I get.

For example, I love writing homework. It just comes natural to me. I can get that done because I'm enjoying it. Meanwhile I don't enjoy math. But I'm pretty decent at it, so I work hard on it because math is a main subject, and it motivates me to do my best so I can get into good colleges when I graduate. I love seeing on my report cards straight A's because it makes me feel confident about myself. So I strive to get those grades. Nothing below 80 percent for me. A B is what I'll take sure, but that means that I have more to learn.

Then there are things like french. Honestly, nobody in my school likes french. But if I get a decent grade, I'll become more confident in my ability to do it, meaning I want to understand it more.

Now when it comes to physical discipline, I have my own ways of doing that. There are different kinds of salad packs in the store. You know, with different dressings (spicy mexican ranch or rasberry vinagarrete) to choose from. Those are awesome, so I eat a bowl of that salad before dinner. I'm drinking water more often, so that's good, and I have my fair share of carbs and protein during the day.

How do I discipline myself this way? By finding a way for me to like the greens and healthy food (the mexican brand stuff I mentioned earlier). Sushi is healthy, but I love it. You just gotta find different healthy foods that you enjoy. Try out different brands of that healthy food that you enjoy. Every company makes their food a different way!

Excersise wise, I have a few ways of doing that. Biking 3km a day is good, and I jog with my dog as well. I motivate myself by knowing that if I don't walk my dog, then she will become sick from lack of excersise and die earlier. I don't want that!

I also motivate myself to drink water by imagining it flushing out the fat on my body. I'll admit I'm a little overweight, and I want to change that. So I will if I put my mind to it.
 
See what I mean? Ignoring is easier said than done lol.

its probably related to my impulse control problems i.e. procrastination
 
hey macle do you become more of a cunt with each badge you get?

just an observation. I hate that posters lately feel the need to argue and cut each other up for having differing opinions (even if they are ignorant and intellectually baseless) but COME ON, DO YOU GET OFF TYPING ALL YOUR ANGER OUT AND USING PROFANITY LIKE W T F B R O

I am terrible with self discipline, but only sometimes! I've sort of conditioned myself to procrastinate, but always leaves myself with JUST the correct amount of time to finish something, and finish it well enough to please both myself and whomever I'm doing the work for, be it school, obligations with other people, etc. I'm much more motivated to achieve greatness and obtain goals if they're fun/interesting/doesn't really seem like work - naturally! I guess my biggest pet peeve when I know I need to get something done is have someone breathing down my neck telling me I need to do it. Doing something at someone else's prompting is probably the biggest 'nono' if you actually want me to finish a task. I prefer to be fiercely independent, so if you feel the need to nitpick and criticize how I am getting a job done, you're not making it any easier!

as for shakespeare dick sucking, what else can you do when all the roles were played by men xD
 
hey macle do you become more of a cunt with each badge you get?

Actually, he was quoting me for a post I made a week ago.

just an observation. I hate that posters lately feel the need to argue and cut each other up for having differing opinions (even if they are ignorant and intellectually baseless) but COME ON, DO YOU GET OFF TYPING ALL YOUR ANGER OUT AND USING PROFANITY LIKE W T F B R O

First of all, "intellectual" does not necessarily reflect reality. Aristotle was considered an "intellectual", but did any of his theories turn out true? I am going by personal experience here, and from that, I've determined that bsing an English essay yields the same results as putting time an effort into it (I've done both). Many of my friends feel this way too, as do a number of other people on these forums. Inductive Reasoning is often a stronger indicator than Deductive reasoning, not always, but often. If you do an experiment and find that the results contradict your hypothesis, are you just going to say "the experiment is wrong" every time? If everyone did that, society would never move forward. Learning is about experience, not "Theorylife".

I am terrible with self discipline, but only sometimes! I've sort of conditioned myself to procrastinate, but always leaves myself with JUST the correct amount of time to finish something, and finish it well enough to please both myself and whomever I'm doing the work for, be it school, obligations with other people, etc. I'm much more motivated to achieve greatness and obtain goals if they're fun/interesting/doesn't really seem like work - naturally! I guess my biggest pet peeve when I know I need to get something done is have someone breathing down my neck telling me I need to do it. Doing something at someone else's prompting is probably the biggest 'nono' if you actually want me to finish a task. I prefer to be fiercely independent, so if you feel the need to nitpick and criticize how I am getting a job done, you're not making it any easier!

I agree with this completely. I especially hate when you get forcefully put into a group with somebody you don't want to work with, then they breathe down everyone's neck trying to get them to get stuff done, when they're the only one's who haven't accomplished anything *rage boils down*

as for shakespeare dick sucking, what else can you do when all the roles were played by men xD

Lol
 
The biggest problem I have is fatigue. By the time I realize that I'm procrastinating and I should be doing work, it's like 8-9 PM and I am lethargic as hell. "Okay, I will go to bed early, and start working the first thing I wake up." However, I end up staying up late watching shows / battling / posting, and am prone to repeat the cycle.

Anybody has good suggestions? What should I do when my energy is low? I guess I should exercise / practice music / brush my teeth / anything to freshen me up. That's the problem, though - I'm so lethargic, I don't want to get off my butt, lol. If I lie down on my bed, I know I will doze off the next 90 minutes. It'll be 11:30, and I may feel refreshed, but definitely wont be in the mood to start working that late :/
 
I think you might be better off finding some way of making sure you do the work earlier in the day. I always found that while I could make myself do work when I am feeling lazy, I would at best do like 10 minutes and then give up.
 
Yea, good suggestion, Hip. I just need to wake up and go straight to work mode, with all the morning rituals cut to the bare minimum (shower, breakfast, exercise yes, but no browsing on the internet lol). Usually the very beginning determines the rest of the day for me, so if I start strong I should be relatively productive.

I'll try it out. Thanks, Hip.
 
Pocket I do not know what your daily schedule is like but napping in the late-ish afternoon always helps me. Like around when I would get home from work/school/whatever and probably spend my time unwinding otherwise. And I do agree exercise at night can be helpful it always gives me about an hour and a half's worth of extra energy.. but after that I crash hard. I doubt that's enough time to get your work done, but that's my body not yours.

Or the easiest answer is coffee if you don't feel like motivating yourself to find some energy within yourself.
 
English essays at school were always extremely easy to do well in, but I loved the subject enough anyway to take it to university. I don't know exactly what I want to do with the degree (although I've always liked the idea of teaching), but I'm well-read, well-spoken and well-written, so I am somewhat attractive to employers. Reading and writing will always be a hobby, even if my career is not concerned with them.

Anyway, I do struggle immensely with self-discipline, although I can probably blame it somewhat on how (this year in particular) I'm basically constantly moving all around the country. It's really hard to concentrate on work if I'm in Wales one week and Cambridgeshire the next, when I'm actually based primarily in Sheffield.
 
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