OMG how dare those bastards talk about marriage?
Those filthy perverts need to go back to their cages where they belong, AMIRITE?
You would have made a great slave owner in South Carolina 150 years ago.
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Those filthy perverts need to go back to their cages where they belong, AMIRITE?
You would have made a great slave owner in South Carolina 150 years ago.
I just wanted to post this article here, since it is pretty relevant:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/state.laws/index.html
It opens up with this, this is what the Roman Catholic Church actually said:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/state.laws/index.html
It opens up with this, this is what the Roman Catholic Church actually said:
Hey, funny thing about black people smogon:
They voted FOR Prop 8 70-30.
This is probably because they know:
Homosexuality isn't genetically provable.
Homosexuality isn't an indelible mark on your skin like color is.
And they're really fucking tired of people who think they are discriminated against talking about Rosa Parks as if their "love" not being publicly recognized is the same as being hosed down and attacked by dogs. Gays have never been denied the right to vote. Gays have never been denied the right to own property. Gays have never been defined as 3/5ths of a person. Gays have never been bought and sold on the market like a plow horse.
Frankly it is insulting that you keep comparing not publicly condoning a voluntary ceremony with the rejection of fundamental rights. Want to get married and have a party? Hey, guess what, there are people who will do that for you! But it's all about the benefits with the gay activists. Even though they can do every. single. thing. straight couples do from celebrating their "marriage" to saying their vows, it isn't good enough for them.
Black and Gay have ZERO to do with each other, and the only reason "Young People" support gay marriage is because the public schools teach them "gay is OK," instead of reading and math. Gay activists always go after the children first. It's in their nature. The younger they get them the more conquests they can have when they finally hit the golden age of consent.
Note that I delineate here between people who happen to be gay and the activists in the movement. Most gay people just want to be left alone, it is the activists who believe everyone on God's green earth must accept their sexual proclivities as absolutely normal from the age of 5. These people don't really care about marriage, that's just the foot in the door to the rest of their agenda. They're basically just liberal busybodies who feel guilty about their perversion and in order to assuage their cognitive dissonance, everyone in the nation must come to view them as normal.
Please. Homosexuality has no parallel to slavery. In order to believe so you probably have to be... educated in a public school.
They voted FOR Prop 8 70-30.
This is probably because they know:
Homosexuality isn't genetically provable.
Homosexuality isn't an indelible mark on your skin like color is.
And they're really fucking tired of people who think they are discriminated against talking about Rosa Parks as if their "love" not being publicly recognized is the same as being hosed down and attacked by dogs. Gays have never been denied the right to vote. Gays have never been denied the right to own property. Gays have never been defined as 3/5ths of a person. Gays have never been bought and sold on the market like a plow horse.
Frankly it is insulting that you keep comparing not publicly condoning a voluntary ceremony with the rejection of fundamental rights. Want to get married and have a party? Hey, guess what, there are people who will do that for you! But it's all about the benefits with the gay activists. Even though they can do every. single. thing. straight couples do from celebrating their "marriage" to saying their vows, it isn't good enough for them.
Black and Gay have ZERO to do with each other, and the only reason "Young People" support gay marriage is because the public schools teach them "gay is OK," instead of reading and math. Gay activists always go after the children first. It's in their nature. The younger they get them the more conquests they can have when they finally hit the golden age of consent.
Note that I delineate here between people who happen to be gay and the activists in the movement. Most gay people just want to be left alone, it is the activists who believe everyone on God's green earth must accept their sexual proclivities as absolutely normal from the age of 5. These people don't really care about marriage, that's just the foot in the door to the rest of their agenda. They're basically just liberal busybodies who feel guilty about their perversion and in order to assuage their cognitive dissonance, everyone in the nation must come to view them as normal.
Please. Homosexuality has no parallel to slavery. In order to believe so you probably have to be... educated in a public school.
Deck Knight do you even read what you type before you post it on the internet because that is some of the most bigoted and biased bullshit I have ever read. At the risk of Godwining the thread you just essentially said the Nazis had the right idea all along and people should be GENETICALLY PURGED for things you admit they have no control over.
I feel like those comparing the homosexuals plight of the civil rights era are indeed stating a valid comparison. They are attacked just for being. Not physically necessarily but mentally absolutely.
I hope that this proposition can be revised so that homosexuals can obtain "civil unions" that are granted the same rights as those ceremonies that call themselves marriage. Let the religious bigots keep their perfect little thing called marriage, we should not have to wait decades just so homosexuals can have equal rights.
I hope that this proposition can be revised so that homosexuals can obtain "civil unions" that are granted the same rights as those ceremonies that call themselves marriage. Let the religious bigots keep their perfect little thing called marriage, we should not have to wait decades just so homosexuals can have equal rights.
I'd like to see a source for black people being in favour of prop 8.
That doesn't matter. But if you want to extend this argument into "Homosexuality is a choice", read this first: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25195286/
Although the comparison isn't exactly of the same proportion, that doesn't mean it's not both discrimination.
Also, homosexuality is still a crime in a lot of countries. Personally, I'd rather be a slave than be executed.
Of course. If you were to be married, and you or your wife already had children, and you'd also have to go through the mess of either you or your SO having to adopt. you'd be angry too.
They are both discriminated against.
It IS okay. Unless you can prove it's wrong.
I'm sorry, what? You think gay rights activists go to every school one by one to tell them all that being gay is good?
I don't see anything wrong with them going to every school one by one to tell them all that being gay is not bad.
Right now, its actually treated as a bad thing. Sure, it may not be a great thing but its how it is. Gay people don't want any positive reaction towards them, they just don't want any negative reaction towards them.
I'm sure they'd all be pretty happy if people just treated a gay person the same as they would a straight person.
im starting to find this thread stupid. it's everyone against deck knight and this pathetic, martyr-for-the-worst-causes-imaginable thing seems to be what he gets off on.
like i'm all for great discussion but this is just dozens of people explaining why deck knight is wrong in regards to absolutely everything and him proceeding to ignore the points he cant counter, and feebly attempting to counter those he feels he can. good old internet.
like i'm all for great discussion but this is just dozens of people explaining why deck knight is wrong in regards to absolutely everything and him proceeding to ignore the points he cant counter, and feebly attempting to counter those he feels he can. good old internet.
Okay. As I thought, Deck Knight thinks that being gay is a choice. There is no way to convince him (though I think that even if it were a choice it shouldn't be banned. Whatever happened to small government and not a nanny state?). Fortunately, his ideas are dying off and the mainstream is shifting to where he is irrelevant. This should be the scariest part for Christian Conservatives. They're becoming irrelevant. And it kills them. For the record, I did go to public school and I got a great education that allowed me to go to a top university. Frankly, you want to talk about democrats being elitist but the kind of bullshit you're spewing could only originate from an ivory (not ebony!) tower. I'm not going to bother with you anymore because I can't change you. I just have to wait for your ideas to die out which should happen in about 8 years.
(also, i love that you didn't address the bans and lynchings related to interracial dating.)
(also, i love that you didn't address the bans and lynchings related to interracial dating.)
If you can choose to be gay, why would anyone do it (and I'm talking about the discrimination, not the being gay)? It isn't some mainstream way of living or something wich grants you any benefefits anywhere, so why bother?
Bullshit. You can choose to ignore your urges, marry a women and fake erectile disfunction, you can choose to lead a "normal" life, a hetero life, but you can't choose to dig women. Why? I don't know, I don't think anyone does; does it matter? Probably not, they're people too and they deserve the same rights and respect as anyone else does.
Bullshit. You can choose to ignore your urges, marry a women and fake erectile disfunction, you can choose to lead a "normal" life, a hetero life, but you can't choose to dig women. Why? I don't know, I don't think anyone does; does it matter? Probably not, they're people too and they deserve the same rights and respect as anyone else does.
I really like all of your posts in this topic thus far, but I have one (very minor) historical fact to correct you on:
Homosexuality was not demonized in western culture until the mid to late 13th century. The early Catholic church -- an outgrowth of the Roman empire, where homosexuality was quite common -- was actually extremely tolerant of homosexuality (a fact that may surprise Deck Knight).
A question for Deck Knight (note that I have not read this entire thread, so you may have answered this): can you provide a single legitimate secular reason for why homosexuals should not be offered the same marriage benefits as heterosexuals?
Homosexuality was not demonized in western culture until the mid to late 13th century. The early Catholic church -- an outgrowth of the Roman empire, where homosexuality was quite common -- was actually extremely tolerant of homosexuality (a fact that may surprise Deck Knight).
A question for Deck Knight (note that I have not read this entire thread, so you may have answered this): can you provide a single legitimate secular reason for why homosexuals should not be offered the same marriage benefits as heterosexuals?
Oh my God... Ahahaha, Deck Knight. What you are saying is so...hateful and absurd that, like I said, you have no credibility. It's just that simple. All of us have given you answers to your ridiculous questions.
It's obvious you have a lot of hate in you. Out of concern, I suggest you seek help. If not, I'm afraid people will pass you up in your way of thinking, and you'll be left all alone.
I don't feel like I need to counter any statements you have made, because they are all so absurd. And you know it.
I just have one question for you... Do you know any gay people, personally? And if you do, do any of them respect you?
It's obvious you have a lot of hate in you. Out of concern, I suggest you seek help. If not, I'm afraid people will pass you up in your way of thinking, and you'll be left all alone.
I don't feel like I need to counter any statements you have made, because they are all so absurd. And you know it.
I just have one question for you... Do you know any gay people, personally? And if you do, do any of them respect you?
just wanted to chime in and say that homosexuality being a choice or not is irrelevant to whether same-sex marriage should be allowed. people should be allowed to marry the person they love, and the state has to recognize that bond. that is all really.
Deck Knight's whole line of thought comes from the idea that a man cannot feel honest love for another man, or a woman for another woman, and that this happening is a wretched abomination...
Deck Knight's whole line of thought comes from the idea that a man cannot feel honest love for another man, or a woman for another woman, and that this happening is a wretched abomination...
Um, did you ever stop to think that the reason the current system isn't good enough for homos is because they CANT do every single thing that straight couples can do? You are arguing about fundamentals but you seem to lack a basic understanding of the problem...
This is pretty outrageous. As a gay male, I am really scared that people actually think like this.
I would rather have my kids get taught that "gay is ok" instead of "gay is not ok" and push them farther back into the closet. There is a reason why gay teenagers have such an enormously high suicide rate, and the fact that people like DK are allowed to have a voice is most of it. I dont understand how, but you made a leap from "saying that being gay is ok to stop innocent, contributing members of society from being driven to the point of insanity" to "commanding a gay army to conquer teen boys in america". Please stop using fear and paranoia to justify your asinine opinions. I WISH I had a gay support network in high school, I would have had a much better time if I wasn't forced into hiding 24/7 even from my parents.
And I don't know what school you went to that taught about homosexuality instead of math and reading, but the MA public school I went to confined each topic into its own class so I could get a DIVERSE education. You know, a diverse education so that I can be prepared for when I'm introduced into the real world. Maybe you should come over and see what its like, Deck.
Oh yeah, I really feel for you poor defenseless heterosexuals, having to put up with giving everyone who isn't like you the same rights and priveleges. That Constitution is a real pain in the ass, isn't it?
Yeah because as a Republican I'm sure you think it's terrible when people try to get tax breaks.
He just hates homosexuals, that in itself is apparent.
The thing is, things such as marriage and adoption are fundamental rights, since homosexual are equal to heterosexual relationships in value. Also, why in the world would gay couples bother fighting for marriage if they could already do what you are implying, which is that gay marriage already exists in all states, which is obviously false. Also being recognized as equal on a matter of principle has a merit all of its own, and isn't related to some sort of money-grubbing or attempt to sexualize children as you have stated in your wild accusations.
Gay activists want to be recognized as normal...because they are normal. It's a very simple concept really. It's a natural genetic predisposition, like having blue eyes instead of brown, and gay activists really just wanted to be treated like people. They want to have the same rights that heterosexual couples enjoy, and for their relationships to be seen to hold the same value of heterosexual relationships. This is hardly definable as "tyranny".
And for the record, I was educated in public school and homosexuals were not mentioned ever within the classroom setting, they were almsot non-existent (conservative area yadda yadda). However, I managed to learn the lesson that discrimination is wrong, whether it be by skin color or sexual orientation, mainly due to personal experience and the fact I'm not a moron.
Forget Rosa Parks, how about Mildred Loving? She actively campaigned for gay marriage because she saw the stark similarity. Thank goodness for her.
It's a shame to see the USA regress further from any type of Land of the Free with these stupid, unconstitutional propositions. Obama isn't about to change a thing either, if the rumours about his shadow cabinet have any substance at all.
It's a shame to see the USA regress further from any type of Land of the Free with these stupid, unconstitutional propositions. Obama isn't about to change a thing either, if the rumours about his shadow cabinet have any substance at all.
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