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Please do not test Wrapless. Wrap has been significantly nerfed and the April suspect and UU teamtour ongoing is the perfect place to test it out. Giving it no breathing room now seems just like a really really bad idea
I didn't suggest to change UUFPL to Wrapless, just the spotlight tour. Like you said, the teamtour is testing the new Wrap changes already, the spotlight can be used to test UUBL in a Wrapless environment while keeping Wrap in UUFPL.

We should unban the UUBLs regardless of what we wanna do with Wrap anyway so I don't see much value in testing no changes UU just because they changed Wrap
 
Gonna double post instead of edit since it addresses a different point:

Since we pretty much know we're going to do something (UUBL unbans and/or Wrap/PT suspect) we might as well just get data on all our options including the UUBL mons in a no PT environment and have it figured out before more of the LTC tournaments begin starting.

That said using the spotlight as an excuse to make the BL unbans official even if we keep Wrap for the moment would be cool too. By the time that ends RBY OU should be either in the middle of the VR process or actually done with it and we can see drops.
 
Gonna double post instead of edit since it addresses a different point:

Since we pretty much know we're going to do something (UUBL unbans and/or Wrap/PT suspect) we might as well just get data on all our options including the UUBL mons in a no PT environment and have it figured out before more of the LTC tournaments begin starting.

That said using the spotlight as an excuse to make the BL unbans official even if we keep Wrap for the moment would be cool too. By the time that ends RBY OU should be either in the middle of the VR process or actually done with it and we can see drops.

Main issue is that the spotlight will tell us next to nothing because barely anyone plays it, and that banning PT in the spotlight means you will have to play with a challenge code throughout UUFPL because it’ll be reflected on Smogtours as well
 
Main issue is that the spotlight will tell us next to nothing because barely anyone plays it, and that banning PT in the spotlight means you will have to play with a challenge code throughout UUFPL because it’ll be reflected on Smogtours as well
UUFPL already requires a challenge code though to allow the BLs
 
Sure I can see just unbanning the UUBLs and giving Wrap another tour to test the new changes since we don't know if the anti-PT sentiment remains with the changes.
 
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Only one tour game has been played but even a good amount of friendlies in UU with the UUBLs I do genuinely think it's a far better tier to what we have now. Wrap can be a little annoying but sleep seems to resolve some of the issues with it since you can attempt wakes through it and generally a shift in how people view Tentacruel even in the "current" UU with less people opting to run it at all.

If a common Wrap counterplay is going to be attempting to wake I want to bring attention to this inaccuracy but overall I find Wrap less problematic than the previous iteration of Lapras UU and the additional bulk in the tier (mainly through Lapras) a great addition. Yes it's bulky and two shots like everything, but so did almost everything in current UU without any of them being bulky mons that can actually stomach hits.
If anything I think Hypno may be problematic, not Lapras, but I'm not gonna call to rush suspects after some friendlies and one entire set in UUFPL.

I really, really don't see a reason to delay just officially dropping them. The environment changes drastically with sleep and we're likely gaining something from OU drops that would only further justify dropping them. All delaying it really does is make spotlight run with a format that we're unlikely to be sticking with and giving less time to test them (the next UU tour is Grand Slam, and by then OU will certainly have a new VR).

Even if you're against allowing Lapras and/or Hypno long-term, surely letting them play in spotlight, when we're almost certainly going to drop them one day anyway, would either give you ammo to support suspecting them again, and likely actually permanently removing them from the face of UU, or make you pleasantly surprised that they improve the tier. The timing really makes it hard to justify since the only thing delaying a decision should do is change the spotlight format.
 
Fwiw if we end up getting Jolt and the Squad, i wouldnt be opposed to immediate PT ban. C+ with PT (from mine and others playing before sabel took over.) was FAR worse than without. Banning it instantly is what should be done in the case those drops.
 
A ban on an entire type of moves (or even just Wrap) will certainly be a suspect. From what I can tell though most people seem to at least agree if we get a C+ tier that they'd be in favor of banning Wrap/PT.

I think even if nothing drops (a very unlikely situation) we should suspect it. I found wrapless UU without the BLs better than current UU (this seems to be an unpopular opinion among many people who never played the format) but certainly if we don't get the full C+ mons, the tier would benefit from PT's removal and allowing the UUBLs again. Most people seemed to want a Hypno-centered tier without Wrap in specific, which dropping the BLs alone provides regardless of OU drops.
 
i think we've seen enough of this meta already. good times were had but i think now it's time to go back to the old uu
 
lapras is fine
hypno might not be

no tiering action before at least seeing ou drops (we all can survive a spotlight/uufpl even if its not perfect)
 
Hey, I'm curious about trying out the tier myself, but I've heard rumors around Smogon regarding Hypno and Lapras being unbanned. Could someone explain to me what exactly is happening to the tier, and is it happening soon? I'm asking because if the drops are happening soon, I would rather wait until that happens so the accumulated knowledge I gain won't become irrelevant.
 
Hey, I'm curious about trying out the tier myself, but I've heard rumors around Smogon regarding Hypno and Lapras being unbanned. Could someone explain to me what exactly is happening to the tier, and is it happening soon? I'm asking because if the drops are happening soon, I would rather wait until that happens so the accumulated knowledge I gain won't become irrelevant.
the drops already happened, lapras, hypno, and articuno are uu legal right now.
mostly because they werent ever tested with sleep + likely imminent drops from ou (jolteon, slowbro, and victreebel possible drops, not guaranteed)

theres no guarantee anything drops so the best time to play is probably right now. accumulated knowledge will carry over since hypno and laprass as the biggest pieces of the meta will persist regardless of what ou drops
 
the drops already happened, lapras, hypno, and articuno are uu legal right now.
mostly because they werent ever tested with sleep + likely imminent drops from ou (jolteon, slowbro, and victreebel possible drops, not guaranteed)

theres no guarantee anything drops so the best time to play is probably right now. accumulated knowledge will carry over since hypno and laprass as the biggest pieces of the meta will persist regardless of what ou drops
When will the new OU VR occur? I imagine that is when we will learn of if the others are dropping.
 
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