a carefully cultivated anarchy
Results are out, get to lynching.
I'll be honest, I don't buy it. But let's say it is true, and you genuinely thought that Quagsires is scum. Why didn't you start a lynch on Quag straight away?What kind of a role is insane one shot question asker??
I assure you that I am village. I assure you that my role states a one shot question asker. Apparently, I'm insane. Wtf.
Because you yourself conceded that it was unlikely, and you also said that you had experience in NOC.I have no idea.
From a balance perspective, I think it would make sense. Considering that we had a backup inspect, it would be fair to also include a insane detect. I also don't recall you saying that you had an abundance of experience in NOC. How would you justify your lynch on me purely on role plausibility considering the limited amount of knowledge you have in game design and balance?
1. ?Right, and that really works if I'm scum.
Stuff that wouldn't make sense if I'm scum:
Day one bus
Constant promotion of discussion. I should have let town die from lack of activity.
Pro town behavior that most people had me down for
Taking a huge gambit when I was considered town by the entire village
Saying that my role didn't make sense when I was the only person with enough exp in NOC to say so. I would have pulled some BS and said that it was a very common role and all of you would have bought it.
After thinking it through, I can't resolve the logic about the gambit... assuming the premise that the village has no reason to lie regarding their role/results, if you were lying you must be mafia. The only reason mafia would lie like that (that I can think of) is to try and "prove" their role. But if you were trying to prove your role as a QA you would have just outed a mafia team mate, since you would know that Quagsires is village.1. What? Yeah, I'm saying that a bus on day 1 is completely ridiculous, especially when put next to a completely pointless lie which would basically lose the trust I gained by bussing. Ergo, it wasn't a bus. Thus, I'm not mafia.
2. I recalling talking and posting much more than all, not just posting to avoid being classified as inactive.
3. Lmao what? I promoted a helluva discussion in town. That would be playing terribly if I were scum.
4. I don't get this. I wouldn't gambit with a completely pointless role that would destroy my almost confirm-town in the eyes of most if I were mafia. I thought that I had found a scum, and thus I claimed and ousted him. I didn't know that I were insane, but judging by flavor I guess it would make sense. What are you saying here?
5. Wouldnt be WIFOM, since none of you would be able to see both sides of the argument.
No I dont, I think that my justifications would prove adequate to most people. Your last sentence seems to be grasping at straws in an attempt to lynch me even when faced with info that proves me town...looks like you're trying to scapegoat me?
You can't see how this doesn't help the mafia? The more villagers that die, the better chance they have of winning. And you know maybe it isn't a sacrifice because the mafia is confident that they can avoid OD being lynched. You trust OD because the mafia sacrificing a member to kill a vanilla makes no sense to you. But you don't even realize how strange the claim was in the first place, or that a one-shot question asker who is insane is really quite an odd role. You still want to point the finger at me because AG acted like scum, and again it seems to me you're ignoring other possible scum targets to focus on me. Riddle me this: Did AG ever lead a mislynch against a villager? And who exactly has a more believable role? Me or OD?Yeah, I presume this sub is for pernicious.
Anyway, as to yesterday, I'm inclined to trust OD on this. Yes he got it wrong, but for mafia to sacrifice one of their own to kill a vanilla makes no sense to me. If he was doctor then I could maybe see it, but even then the mafia would night kill instead. So yeah, while it was unfortunate, I struggle to see how it could possibly have helped the mafia to sacrifice for a vanillager.
As for today, I stand by Jalmont as a target, as well as Pernicious, although since I think he's the latest sub we should wait for the sub to post first.
Perhaps they thought Quagsires had a crucial power role, such as vigilante?pokemaniac 212 said:The mafia aren't stupid, they'd know that chances are leading a mislynch against a vanilla would get the person who did it killed, especially in the way it happened. How would it not be stupid for mafia to sacrifice probably their most trusted member for a simple vanillager.
Good pointOrcinus Duo said:Stuff that wouldn't make sense if I'm scum:
Day one bus
Ditto promoted discussion and was MafiaOrcinus Duo said:Constant promotion of discussion. I should have let town die from lack of activity.
Ditto again. Yes you've been much more active over a longer period of time, but you are a more experienced player and should be capable of disguising yourself into the village well.Orcinus Duo said:Pro town behavior that most people had me down for
Another good point, although I already mentioned some reasons why you might have done this, one other reason is that you would be the Mafia member most capable of talking yourself out of being lynched.Orcinus Duo said:Taking a huge and pointless gambit when I was considered town by the entire village
We don't have to be NOC experts to figure out that a village insane one-time Day Question Asker isn't a normal role. Even Walrein wouldn't put a role like that in a Mafia game, especially when you consider the details of the role Flamestrike pointed out (Instant answer, insane without being obviously insane in a Beginner game) it's hard to think of OD as a villager despite his pro-village actions in the game.Orcinus Duo said:Saying that my role didn't make sense when I was the only person with enough exp in NOC as far as im aware to say so. I would have pulled some BS and said that it was a very common role and probably all of you would have bought it.
While this makes sense, neither Pernicious or I were close to being lynched. In fact before everyone lynched Quagsires, the person that was going to be lynched was Engineer Pikachu. If OD is really mafia I think he could have been trying to take off the heat from EP.Perhaps OD was desperate to save a Mafia member with a crucial power role, such as the Mafia's kill, who might have been lynched (Jalmont or Pernicious).
The mafia aren't stupid, they'd know that chances are leading a mislynch against a vanilla would get the person who did it killed, especially in the way it happened. How would it not be stupid for mafia to sacrifice probably their most trusted member for a simple vanillager.