Ok well if you Reuniclus is such a huge threat to stall and you need a spin blocker, that's enough of a reason. My last slot I pick is always my spin blocker anyway.
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Reuniclus
- Thread starter Pratty
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Ok well if you Reuniclus is such a huge threat to stall and you need a spin blocker, that's enough of a reason. My last slot I pick is always my spin blocker anyway.
That was posted in September. Lawl at Smogon, since now everyone's saying he might end up in ubers.
Saying Reun (I'm ok with the short version, but his whole name is lame. Lame in Japanese too, though) can completely demolish Stall teams and telling people to offer up an example of what you can put into a stall team to deal with him isn't the point of the metagame, guys. Note that when 4th Gen's metagame got going it marked a shift away from stall. Stuff like Infernape allowed people to conquer the mighty SkarmBliss.
Pretty much everyone has already talked about the power creep Gamefreak has been doing. This is just continuing the trend. The fact that 5th Gen metagame is currently based around lots of switching followed by revenging back and forth for a bunch of turns is the hand we've been dealt. So instead of trying to adjust the stock of Pokemon/moves/whatever to "balance" the metagame to whatever people see as the ideal, it's easier to stop clinging to stuff like stall and work out new strategies.
This gen got a number of bulky offense Pokemon, Reun included. Along with something like Shibirudon (awful speed, but decent bulk, great movepool, and no weaknesses) you can work on a solid TR team. Moves that people have previously used only as gimmicky sets could also turn out to be useful (Gravity means you can fire off more accurate Thunder/Blizzard, which offers a pretty significant power boost to a number of Pokemon who would otherwise use lesser forms of Boltbeam or whatever. I haven't really looked much at Wonder Room or... was it Magic Room? But those are things that could, after one turn of setup, screw up your opponents pretty thoroughly).
So yeah. Reun shouldn't be shipped up to ubers. And I feel the same about Swift Swim and all that business too.
That;s the point of banning him, dude. read the posts
Perish Song beats this guy utterly even if you run stall, if you can fit it on somewhere. Phaze him out and wear down the rest of the team until he's left looking smug, then set the Perish timer up and proceed to lol. Works well for other things immune to T-Spikes too. Viable users include Politoed for Rain Stall, MH Murkrow, Celebi, and possibly Gengar or Azumarril.
You don't need to ban every fucking threat for which you actually have to prepare.
394 HP and 295 defense? Not bad. Not to mention there is absolutely no other non priority pokemon who can stop Doryuzu, Blaziken, Terakion, Landlos, physical Salamence etc. 99% of the time. I dont even run sandstorm stall btw. You want impressive bulk? It isnt even 2hkoed by Roopushin guts boosted Drain Punch, so I can stall it out if I want to, occasionaly dodging one with Burungeru. It is the ultimate in physical boosting sweeps stopping with Recover, Toxic, and Unaware. You can emergency toxic ANY non grass type. I can keep elaborating if you want. Note Hippowdon cant do any of the things I just listed, baloon dory beats it.
Edit- Forgot Zuruzurikin. Dont even break a sweat toxic stalling it, huge pain without unaware.
Edit- Forgot Zuruzurikin. Dont even break a sweat toxic stalling it, huge pain without unaware.
Didn't they say in the FIRST SENTENCE that quagsire had been "quite successful"? And have u even tried using quagsire on a stall team?
Secondly, instead of making very poor generalizations about a Pokemon in which you haven't used (obviously), you could, you know, back up your fucking argument. All I've seen thus far is "this sucks he's terrible heres no evidence to support this claim whatsoever".
EDIT: Oh the irony vvv
Have fun making a stall team that isn't severely crippled by countering reuniclus. Don't just speak like a moron with no backing
Are you aware that Quagsire is very bad? That is pretty common knowledge. Spiritomb has few uses outside of countering Reuniclus, as Bloongell supremely outclasses it. How about YOU give some reasons why they DON'T suck? Hypocrite
... You need precisely one PP of Perish Song to kill Rank, so that's entirely irrelevant. And morever you do not need to survive, if the remainder of your team can manage to wall Rankurusu for 3 more turns, given Rank's instant death thereafter...
Murkrow will PS before Rank can move due to MH. Politoed is surprisingly bulky and can take a hit before dying if it invests. Gengar will get the PS off and die, as will Azu.
It would also be funny to Worry Seed him(If he's the last mon) so he takes the T.spikes damage along with any mon using Leech Seed.
It'll make him cry.
You're the one making the sweeping generalization that Quagsire/Spiritomb are terrible. Hiding behind the "fact" that it's "common knowledge" does not make your argument any stronger. You're the one telling us he's so bad. Back it up.
And I've written up my thoughts on Quagsire and his usefulness here.
I /don't know how well Quagsire would do against Rankurusu/. I know Quagsire's Unaware will ignore any Calm Mind boosts, and he can run a physically defensive EV spread with Amnesia or use Yawn to force a switch, causing Rankurusu to have to find yet another opportunity to come back in and boost up. I'm not saying he's a one-stop-shop to Rankurusu, I'm saying he might do a pretty good job dealing with him.
Yee - As I said in my first post, phaze Reinculus whenever it comes out to leave it until last - ready for the unavoidable perish song.
I do not try to say this will solve all your problems with it, but if you phaze it until it is the last pokemon, Perish Song will beat it. It is, therefore, something to try out if you have severe Reinculus issues.
I do not try to say this will solve all your problems with it, but if you phaze it until it is the last pokemon, Perish Song will beat it. It is, therefore, something to try out if you have severe Reinculus issues.
Ok, so there are plenty of checks for Reuniclus:
- Spiritomb
- Celebi (Perish Song)
- Specially Defensive Drapion
- Mandibuzz (Torment + Taunt)
- Gengar (Sub + Disable)
- Sableye
- Murkrow (Perish Song)
- Voice Form Meloetta (Perish Song)
- Dusclops/Dusknoir (Disable)
- Drifblim (Substitute + Disable)
- CM Espeon
- Metagross
- CM Jirachi
- CM Latias
- Victini
- CM Mew
- Gardevoir (CM + Encore)
- Unaware Quagsire
Not all of these are standard, but if you seriously think stall is fully developed at this point in the metagame then you need your head checked. Plenty of these are viable to put on a stall team.
- Spiritomb
- Celebi (Perish Song)
- Specially Defensive Drapion
- Mandibuzz (Torment + Taunt)
- Gengar (Sub + Disable)
- Sableye
- Murkrow (Perish Song)
- Voice Form Meloetta (Perish Song)
- Dusclops/Dusknoir (Disable)
- Drifblim (Substitute + Disable)
- CM Espeon
- Metagross
- CM Jirachi
- CM Latias
- Victini
- CM Mew
- Gardevoir (CM + Encore)
- Unaware Quagsire
Not all of these are standard, but if you seriously think stall is fully developed at this point in the metagame then you need your head checked. Plenty of these are viable to put on a stall team.
Rankurusu has never given any of my teams problems. Perhaps its the fact that the opponent gets too greedy with CM's, while I use physical attacks to take it down, or maybe I just have a well-balanced team? Either way, I can't deny that he's really powerful with a couple CM's under his belt, but uber? I dunno. In gen 4, Scizor was rather powerful once he got Bullet Punch, and he could rip apart teams with a Swords Dance under his belt (Assuming the opponent doesn't have a phaser or Skarm) but he's clearly not perfect, he has his weaknesses, and Rankurusu has his. The metagame in a sense centered around Scizor, to prevent sweeps/lots of revenging, so maybe that's going to happen to some degree is Rankurusu stays in OU?
Just my two cents.
Just my two cents.
I can't imagine banning rankurusu. Its poor typing and pretty good but not great stats let it down. It is good though but even after the major suspects are gone i don't think this guy would ever deserve to be banned.
I don't know where the devil you got these; CB Tar and CB Scizor seem far better than these. In fact half of them are hit SE by shadow ball... (and no while CB Tar is Focus Blast weak Scizor is not and lives handily)
I really want to believe that Quagsire is good. He's one of my favorite Pokemon. I've played Unaware Quagsire extensively.
In practice he can be useful... except once you realize that many, many stat boosters can 2HKO him while unboosted. Then, you start finding him getting killed by random HP Grass / Grass Knots, if you want him to stand up to any form of special threat.
I'd mention Shandera in detail but it doesn't exist in dream world form on Smogon, and plus it's a suspect and temporarily banned on the PO server, but Shadow Tag Shandera makes Quaggy un-runnable.
He has his ups and downs, but I would hardly say that he's not niche. He's hard to play and isn't really up to snuff against top threats.
In practice he can be useful... except once you realize that many, many stat boosters can 2HKO him while unboosted. Then, you start finding him getting killed by random HP Grass / Grass Knots, if you want him to stand up to any form of special threat.
I'd mention Shandera in detail but it doesn't exist in dream world form on Smogon, and plus it's a suspect and temporarily banned on the PO server, but Shadow Tag Shandera makes Quaggy un-runnable.
He has his ups and downs, but I would hardly say that he's not niche. He's hard to play and isn't really up to snuff against top threats.