Sableye

El_Sargento said:
Murkrow don't get WoW or Trick... and lacks Leftovers.
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Murkrow does get FeatherDance, which will do in a pinch and is good enough on 'Krow to warrant use. Also, the reason why Sableye needs lefties is because even with max investment in its defences, it is still quite frail. With Eviolite, Murkrow is not, so can afford to forego lefties.

Having said that, they play very differently. Murkrow is much more of an annoyer with FeatherDance, Mean Look, Perish Song, etc whereas Sableye functions better as a stop to weather sweepers, set up sweepers and not to mention spin blocking.
 
Sableye does not stop all weather sweepers. In fact, it should probably not attempt to take on Drizzle since most of them will be spamming Hydro Pump, and many of Sun's sweepers are either special (Venusaur, Tangrowth) or are immune to the burn in the first place.

It has its place, but once the novelty of it wears off I don't think it will be all that useful.
 
I see Sableye as an annoyer of sorts, being able to burn, weaken, and stall out most physical attackers, and also taking out most stallers as well. I don't think I'd try to take out a special attacker though, burn doesn't reduce that, and Sableye isn't exactly durable, even if he has priority recover I doubt he'd be able to outheal the damage he takes from a special sweeper.
 
IcyMan28 said:
Sableye does not stop all weather sweepers. In fact, it should probably not attempt to take on Drizzle since most of them will be spamming Hydro Pump, and many of Sun's sweepers are either special (Venusaur, Tangrowth) or are immune to the burn in the first place.

It has its place, but once the novelty of it wears off I don't think it will be all that useful.
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It may not be able to switch in but Hydro Pump's power is halved under sun and will therefore do very little to Sableye. It can come in after something dies, and change the momentum with priority Sunny Day.

I do agree that it will struggle somewhat against Sun teams, but with Taunt it stops all those Growth abusers from getting their boosts, after which point it can stall with Wow + Recover or if they're a Fire type, switch to a counter. Venusaur and Tangrowth don't hit hard enough before they get their +2s meaning they don't pose much of a threat.

It's not perfect but as far as stopping weather abusers, it does pretty good for being only one Pokemon.
 
This may, or may not have been posted (didn't bother looking), but I'm interested in this......

Sableye @ Lefties
Bold
252 HP/252 Def/4 SpDef
-WoW
-Calm Mind
-Recover
-HP Ice/HP Fire/Shadow Ball

Priority WoW to boost physical def further. CM for more priority boosts + priority Recover.

Mono attack, but whatever. HP Ice can hit everything for at least some damage.
 
elchupo said:
It may not be able to switch in but Hydro Pump's power is halved under sun and will therefore do very little to Sableye. It can come in after something dies, and change the momentum with priority Sunny Day.

I do agree that it will struggle somewhat against Sun teams, but with Taunt it stops all those Growth abusers from getting their boosts, after which point it can stall with Wow + Recover or if they're a Fire type, switch to a counter. Venusaur and Tangrowth don't hit hard enough before they get their +2s meaning they don't pose much of a threat.

It's not perfect but as far as stopping weather abusers, it does pretty good for being only one Pokemon.
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This is true to an extent. Venusaur and Tangrowth will be getting their Growths in as Sableye comes in, and if Sableye is already on the field they can offset Wow damage with Giga Drain until they manage the critical hit. Or Solarbeam, should anyone be running that for whatever reason.

Priority Sunny Day is useful, I'll admit, but there is nothing stopping Politoed from coming right back into Sableye itself as it isn't threatened at all bar Toxic. Non-rain weather moves aren't as useful as they once were, IMO, since the current rain sweepers aren't as dependent on the speed boost (CMLatios will Dragon Pulse you regardless, Thundurus will zap you into oblivion, etc).

Don't get me wrong, Sableye does have its perks, but they are much more situational in practice and I find that it should never be relied on to tank special attackers.

EDIT: Should Drizzle and Drought go, Sableye will be much more useful I think. It's a pretty good fighting check as it stands what with its immunity + WoW.
 
Sableye + Blissey seems like it'd be a good defensive core. Sableye could come in on Fighters whilst Blissey could come in on powerful status attacks, and they can both stall out respective opponents with Toxic, Stealth Rock, Will o Wisp and Taunt.
 
alphatron said:
Torment guys. Priority torment sets. Get at me.
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I don't know... that's pretty hard. Isn't the only thing Torment does for you that's useful on Sableye is stop Choice-locked Pokémon and prevent a Pokémon from using its STAB moves? It doesn't seem worth a spot to me considering how many other fantastic moves Sableye gets, but I guess it if you were to use Torment it would be for stalling, right?

Toxic and Recover are a must to stall out non-boosting sweepers... but then I just see moves like Taunt outclassing Torment. Am I just not doing it right?

EDIT:

@IcyMan- I don't think Chlorophyll Venusaur gets Giga Drain, so it uses Solarbeam. (I think)
 
Despite sableye's low bulk, it can actually survive even stronger special attacks with max investment, (mine lived a scarfed kyurem's draco meteor)
 
A very good set that will wall both ends of the spectrum maybe:
Leftovers
Calm 252 hp/252 s.def
Snarl
Recover
Will-O-Wisp
Substitute

Use Snarl on any special attacker and make him useless eventually and burn physical attackers!
Sub is there to avoid crits and prevent status!
It worked pretty nice for me in DW.It can easily beat Chandelure which is a a pain in the ass in DW.You sub on the switch,and then you use Snarl.If it has Overheat then just spam Sub until it gets at -6.
Or else just keep attacking and recovering as a -1 Flamethrower or Fire Blast cannot 2hko Specially defensive Sableye!
 
zferolie said:
That is true. very strong attacks will KO it, though the same would be said as the other version. I wish it could have Metal Burst and Prankster recover. That would have been broken.

Question. Lagging tail would still let the priority moves go first right? So if you wanted to run Metal burst and always go last, but still go first with Priority moves, you would need lagging tail correct? that would have been an awesome set. Metal Burst, Recover, WoW/Confuse ray, shadow Sneak with Lagging tail and prankster.
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About lagging tail, yes however, if they use a +1 move then you'll still be going last. Because you go last in your bracket.
 
MoltenKyurem said:
this is true, zoroark is in the ground egg group while sableye is in the humanshape group.
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Zoroark/Smearlge w/ Shiftry (Grass/Field*)
Shiftry w/ Cacturne (Grass/Human-like)
Cacturne w/ Sabeleye

?

*Pokedex 3D updated the egg group classification names. Ground is now Field, Humanshape is now Human-like

edit: Wait, what? Cacturne doesn't get snarl?!
but
 
alphatron said:
Torment guys. Priority torment sets. Get at me.
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I will get @ you. That sure as hell didn't do anything for Thundurus & Tornadus who both have Torment. Sableye has 3 immunities, but none of them are ever commonly seen together & his only resistance is Poison. Even if he runs Recover, what's he gonna do against anything with 2 strong coverage moves. (e.g. Surf + Ice Beam, Boltbeam, Edgequake, Power Whip/Gyro Ball...yeah.) And god forbid someone runs Taunt on so much as a Farfetch'd.

For Torment Sableye to be even remotely good it would need more than 4 moveslots. It needs Torment, Sub, Protect, Taunt, WoW, Recover. Otherwise it's typing will come back to bite it in the ass or he'll just get Taunted & Phased to death.
 
Sableye doesn't need anything other than the standard stallbreaker set (Will-O-Wisp, Taunt, Recover, filler) to be really fucking good. Though tbh, once the hype dies down, it will probably settle down in UU and take Stallbreaker Mismagius's place.
 
kokoloko said:
Sableye doesn't need anything other than the standard stallbreaker set (Will-O-Wisp, Taunt, Recover, filler) to be really fucking good. Though tbh, once the hype dies down, it will probably settle down in UU and take Stallbreaker Mismagius's place.
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from what iv'e heard sableye is ou by DW usage stats, if this is true and because of how DW is i think sableye will have the new title of lowest BST OU
 
MoltenKyurem said:
from what iv'e heard sableye is ou by DW usage stats, if this is true and because of how DW is i think sableye will have the new title of lowest BST OU
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Conkeldurr has 505 but is not unutilized, and Sableye doesn't need Atk, SpAtk or Spd, thanks to Prankster and its very-stalling-movesets
 
Bruno Magno said:
Conkeldurr has 505 but is not unutilized, and Sableye doesn't need Atk, SpAtk or Spd, thanks to Prankster and its very-stalling-movesets
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i think you are mssing my point, im saying that if the addition of prankster makes sableye solid OU in DW it will probably be solid OU in standard, where there are fewer Really big threats.

I also just checked, If sableye goes ou like i predict it will have the title for lowest BST out of all OU's which says something about the boost it got.
 
I used this in DW OU and it's really great so long as you get a high HP wishpasser, so i can't wait to put him on a team in RU
 
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