Ruination is just discount Nature's Madness
The four beasts are just dark-type tapus that decreases stats instead of setting terrains
The four beasts are just dark-type tapus that decreases stats instead of setting terrains
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SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics
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They do look cooler than the Tapu's though imo
So Tinkaton looks DOA in singles, but I think it'll have a niche in doubles/VGC. Gigaton Hammer hits pretty hard:
252 Atk Mold Breaker Tinkaton Gigaton Hammer vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Mew: 181-214 (44.9 - 53.1%) -- 30.5% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Iron Head vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Mew: 175-208 (43.4 - 51.6%) -- 9% chance to 2HKO
Plus it gets Fake Out. AV sets with Fake Out/Knock Off/Gigaton Hammer/U-Turn could be nasty, a bulky mon with a cracked defensive typing that's both disruptive with Fake Out/Knock Off and can threaten lots of damage with Gigaton Hammer. You can also do some self-activate WP stuff with Brutal Swing, considering it's pretty weak off of base 75 Atk. It'll probably fall off when HOME compatibility comes out, but I can see this thing making a name for itself in early VGC formats. We still need to see the TM/Egg movepool, but it wouldn't surprise me if Tinkaton got screens.
252 Atk Mold Breaker Tinkaton Gigaton Hammer vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Mew: 181-214 (44.9 - 53.1%) -- 30.5% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Excadrill Iron Head vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Mew: 175-208 (43.4 - 51.6%) -- 9% chance to 2HKO
Plus it gets Fake Out. AV sets with Fake Out/Knock Off/Gigaton Hammer/U-Turn could be nasty, a bulky mon with a cracked defensive typing that's both disruptive with Fake Out/Knock Off and can threaten lots of damage with Gigaton Hammer. You can also do some self-activate WP stuff with Brutal Swing, considering it's pretty weak off of base 75 Atk. It'll probably fall off when HOME compatibility comes out, but I can see this thing making a name for itself in early VGC formats. We still need to see the TM/Egg movepool, but it wouldn't surprise me if Tinkaton got screens.
Had a bad feeling about the potential of hammer fairy when the signature move dropped yesterday. At first I was excited... then I thought about the typing + their regret with Fishous Rend and I was like, "this is going to be a less offensive version of Dracovish on SwSh release, isn't it?"
I think there's some hope for a held item given how low the attack stat is (anticipated more in the 85-100 range), but that base speed to go along with fairy/steel isn't too promising. It will probably see some use with a setup move/protect/Gigaton, I'd guess.
I think there's some hope for a held item given how low the attack stat is (anticipated more in the 85-100 range), but that base speed to go along with fairy/steel isn't too promising. It will probably see some use with a setup move/protect/Gigaton, I'd guess.
The moves pastebin has some information on evolutions, so I thought I'd extract it.
Notably, the Hisuian Pokémon share evolution method:
This is different than the other Hisuian Pokémon, which keep their evolution method:
The following cannot be evolved into their Hisuian forms: Dartrix, Quilava, Dewott, Petilil, Rufflet, Goomy, Bergmite. So they might be transfer only. Interestingly, Goomy has two evolution methods: Level Up and UNKNOWN_61 (shared by the Hisuian mons). However the second evolution method produces Sliggoo instead of Hisuian Sliggoo. This might be an error.
New evolution methods:
Also White-Striped Basculin has two evolutions methods (potentially gender-related), but it is set to evolve into an egg instead of Basculegion. Again, possibly an error that will be fixed when HOME integration is ready.
Notably, the Hisuian Pokémon share evolution method:
Code:
Scyther => Kleavor (UNKNOWN_61 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (was item-based)
Qwilfish-1 => Overqwil (UNKNOWN_61 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (was move-based)
Ursaring => Ursaluna (UNKNOWN_61 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (was item-based)
Stantler => Wyrdeer (UNKNOWN_61 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (was move-based)
Code:
Growlithe-1 => Arcanine (ITEM [3, 0, 0, 0]) (Fire Stone)
Sneasel-1 => Sneasler (SOUBI_NOON [49, 0, 0, 0]) (Razor Claw/night)
Voltorb-1 => Electrode (ITEM [6, 0, 0, 0]) (Leaf stone)New evolution methods:
Code:
Rellor => Rabsca (UNKNOWN_50 [1000, 0, 0, 0])
Pawmo => Pawmot (UNKNOWN_50 [1000, 0, 0, 0])
Bramblin => Brambleghast (UNKNOWN_50 [1000, 0, 0, 0])
Finizen => Palafin (UNKNOWN_51 [0, 0, 0, 0])
Tandemaus => Maushold (UNKNOWN_52 [0, 0, 0, 0])
Tandemaus => Maushold-1 (UNKNOWN_53 [0, 0, 0, 0])
Gimmighoul => Gholdengo (UNKNOWN_54 [999, 0, 0, 0]) (999 coins)
Gimmighoul-1 => Gholdengo (UNKNOWN_54 [999, 0, 0, 0])
Bisharp => Kingambit (UNKNOWN_55 [3, 0, 0, 0])
Primeape => Annihilape (UNKNOWN_56 [20, 0, 0, 0])
Dunsparce => Dudunsparce (UNKNOWN_57 [887, 0, 0, 0])
Dunsparce => Dudunsparce-1 (UNKNOWN_58 [887, 0, 0, 0])
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I think Assault Vest Gigaton Hammer Tinkaton will do fine in singles, honestly.
It’s a Fairy killer and special pivot.
It’s a Fairy killer and special pivot.
The only things that are on my mind at the moment are the size stuff (big or small Pokemon) and Egg Moves. All else is moot to me.
I don't understand, so can Ursaring, Scyther and Stantler evolve into SV? Or will they do it after Home is released?
Do we know yet whether abilities that confer immunity to Intimidate do so for the four beasts aswell? I'd assume not, outside of Clear Body and variants.
Chien-Pao seems like it will perform pretty well in pre-Home ubers. Speed ties with the box legends and has priority that hits both supereffectively (as well as Sucker Punch to annoy Calyrex later on), alongside a setup move to exploit forcing the opponent out. Hard to imagine it won't see play, even if the 135 speed tier is looking very crowded.
Chien-Pao seems like it will perform pretty well in pre-Home ubers. Speed ties with the box legends and has priority that hits both supereffectively (as well as Sucker Punch to annoy Calyrex later on), alongside a setup move to exploit forcing the opponent out. Hard to imagine it won't see play, even if the 135 speed tier is looking very crowded.
I suspect that evolution method is the equivalent of Essentials's NONE evo method. It exists to connect the species backwards for breeding, but is not actually possible for evolution.
And here's the list of evolution methods for the new Pokémon:
Notably, most are level-up, there's a few stone evolutions, and new methods that we don't know yet.
Edit:
Other changes to evolution methods:
Crabrawler now evolves via Ice Stone.
Kubfu evolves via item (instead of location).
Magneton/Eevee no longer evolves via location, only stone.
Trade evolutions were not changed. Needed for Gengar, Scizor, and Slowking.
Code:
Sprigatito => Floragato (LEVELUP 16)
Floragato => Meowscarada (LEVELUP 36)
Fuecoco => Crocalor (LEVELUP 16)
Crocalor => Skeledirge (LEVELUP 36)
Quaxly => Quaxwell (LEVELUP 16)
Quaxwell => Quaquaval (LEVELUP 36)
Lechonk => Oinkologne (MALE 18 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (male + Level 18)
Lechonk => Oinkologne-1 (FEMALE 18 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (female + Level 18)
Tarountula => Spidops (LEVELUP 15)
Nymble => Lokix (LEVELUP 24)
Rellor => Rabsca (UNKNOWN_50 0 [1000, 0, 0, 0]) (???)
Greavard => Houndstone (NIGHT 30 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (night at Level 30)
Flittle => Espathra (LEVELUP 35)
Wiglett => Wugtrio (LEVELUP 26)
Finizen => Palafin (UNKNOWN_51 38 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (???)
Smoliv => Dolliv (LEVELUP 25)
Dolliv => Arboliva (LEVELUP 35)
Capsakid => Scovillain (ITEM 30 [3, 0, 0, 0]) (Fire Stone + Level 30)
Tadbulb => Bellibolt (ITEM 0 [4, 0, 0, 0]) (Thunderstone)
Varoom => Revavroom (LEVELUP 40)
Tandemaus => Maushold (UNKNOWN_52 25 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (???)
Tandemaus => Maushold-1 (UNKNOWN_53 25 [0, 0, 0, 0]) (???)
Cetoddle => Cetitan (ITEM 0 [52, 0, 0, 0]) (Ice Stone)
Frigibax => Arctibax (LEVELUP 35)
Arctibax => Baxcalibur (LEVELUP 54)
Pawmi => Pawmo (LEVELUP 18)
Pawmo => Pawmot (UNKNOWN_50 0 [1000, 0, 0, 0]) (???)
Wattrel => Kilowattrel (LEVELUP 25)
Nacli => Naclstack (LEVELUP 24)
Naclstack => Garganacl (LEVELUP 38)
Glimmet => Glimmora (LEVELUP 35)
Shroodle => Grafaiai (LEVELUP 28)
Fidough => Dachsbun (LEVELUP 26)
Maschiff => Mabosstiff (LEVELUP 30)
Bramblin => Brambleghast (UNKNOWN_50 0 [1000, 0, 0, 0]) (???)
Gimmighoul => Gholdengo (UNKNOWN_54 0 [999, 0, 0, 0]) (999 coins)
Gimmighoul-1 => Gholdengo (UNKNOWN_54 0 [999, 0, 0, 0]) (999 coins)
Tinkatink => Tinkatuff (LEVELUP 24)
Tinkatuff => Tinkaton (LEVELUP 38)
Charcadet => Armarouge (ITEM 0 [85, 0, 0, 0]) (new item)
Charcadet => Ceruledge (ITEM 0 [86, 0, 0, 0]) (new item)
Toedscool => Toedscruel (LEVELUP 30)Edit:
Other changes to evolution methods:
Crabrawler now evolves via Ice Stone.
Kubfu evolves via item (instead of location).
Magneton/Eevee no longer evolves via location, only stone.
Trade evolutions were not changed. Needed for Gengar, Scizor, and Slowking.
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So with daycares gone, does anyone know if Pokémon teaching Egg Moves to Pokémon of the same Species is still in the game? Would be baffling if they introduced it in the previous entry of the series only to remove it one game later.
Phione and Manaphy are a thing.
And, ffs, this means I cannot breed an Overqwil. How about Basculegion?
(Seriously tho, Hissuian Qwilfish and Sneasel were bad ideas, because the regular versions were ALREADY NATIVE TO SINNOH, and a split evo Sneasler and regular evo Overqwil would had worked just fine; same with Hissuian Typhlosion, should had been Delphox, as Quilava has always produced regular Typhlosion when evolved even in the damn Spear Pillar)
By the by, isn't it odd that the streamer's Koraidon had Endure and Tera Blast?... items not seen in the list? The endgame Koraidon is probably given those moves specifically on account of the, shall we say, victory lap at the end of the final battle. But like, why not just make them level-up moves?
We don't know. They share evolution method, but we cannot tell what the method is. However, see the discussion below:
That would make sense. I think it's also there for the purpose of Eviolite. I can understand it for Scyther, Ursaring, and Stantler. Basically, their evolution is locked to Hisui, so you have to bring them back through HOME. However, it's weird they don't allow Hisuian Qwilfish (and Basculin?) to evolve in Paldea, but do allow it for Hisuian Growlithe, Sneasel, and Voltorb.
Lol the only things that actually learn flip turn are palafin and iron bundle. They really said ”fuck you, enjoy your 650 bst mon”
For now, but I wouldn't 100% exclude a tutor for these returning in the DLCs (or even be in the game somewhere)
They actually gave lava plume to new mons for the first time ever! Fish and charcadet get it
Revavroom is actually an okay offensive pokemon with Shift Gear and an ability that let it stomach maybe some fire moves.
Together with Tinkadon, Gholdengo and Sneasler, it will be the anti-fairy/fighting squad that all those new dark types (and there is a lot) will love.
Together with Tinkadon, Gholdengo and Sneasler, it will be the anti-fairy/fighting squad that all those new dark types (and there is a lot) will love.
A lot of the screenshots don't do the Future mons much justice imo. Iron Bundle attacking by extending its head out and Iron Valiant having a Dual Blade we don't see in most of its idle screenshots are a few examples.
I thought in gen 8 they made it so evos would always still learn the pre evo’s moves. Masquerain doesn’t actually learn sticky web anymore, just surskit
do we know anything about how items work in the overworld? do they respawn? one of the nice things about SWSH was that gathering resources for various things was so easy (for the most part) how are berries collected? (I didn't watch too much of the stream lol so i am not entirely sure of the OW stuff)
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